IRC log of css on 2012-05-02
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- 15:46:56 [plinss]
- zakim, this will be style
- 15:46:56 [Zakim]
- ok, plinss; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
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- + +1.415.832.aaaa
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- Zakim, aaaa is me
- 15:57:55 [Zakim]
- +nimbu; got it
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- +stearns
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- Zakim, code?
- 15:58:12 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), glazou
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- +??P45
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- Zakim, ??P45 is me
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- +glazou; got it
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- Zakim, mute me
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- +plinss
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- glazou should now be muted
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- +[Microsoft]
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- 15:59:20 [fantasai]
- Zakim, [Microsoft] has arronei
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- +arronei; got it
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- Zakim, [Microsoft] has fantasai
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- +fantasai; got it
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- +bradk
- 16:00:17 [glazou]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- +antonp
- 16:00:33 [Zakim]
- glazou should no longer be muted
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- +David_Baron
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- +[Microsoft.a]
- 16:01:13 [JohnJansen]
- Zakim, Microsoft has JohnJansen
- 16:01:17 [dbaron]
- ok, I'm not sure if the mute button on this phone actually works
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- + +1.604.312.aabb
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- +JohnJansen; got it
- 16:02:03 [JohnJansen]
- dbaron, you can test it now... I'll tell you if I can hear you.
- 16:02:11 [dbaron]
- ah, I figured it out now
- 16:02:15 [Zakim]
- +smfr
- 16:02:18 [dbaron]
- it requires a long press of the mute button to mute
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- +Bert
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- +??P30
- 16:03:45 [kojiishi]
- zakim, ??p30 is me
- 16:04:35 [arno1]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
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- +kojiishi; got it
- 16:05:17 [JohnJansen]
- can someone speak into the phone please? I think it's not working for me.
- 16:05:27 [Zakim]
- + +1.415.832.aacc
- 16:05:32 [glazou]
- JohnJansen: done
- 16:05:44 [arno1]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:05:45 [JohnJansen]
- great. OK. calling back in...
- 16:05:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see bradk, antonp, David_Baron, [Microsoft.a], +1.604.312.aabb, smfr, Bert, kojiishi, +1.415.832.aacc, nimbu, stearns, glazou, plinss, [Microsoft]
- 16:06:01 [Zakim]
- [Microsoft] has JohnJansen
- 16:06:04 [glazou]
- Zakim, mute me
- 16:06:11 [arno1]
- Zakim, aacc is me
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- +[Microsoft.aa]
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- Scribe: Bert
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- On the phone I see bradk, antonp, David_Baron, [Microsoft.a], +1.604.312.aabb, smfr, Bert, kojiishi, +1.415.832.aacc, [Microsoft.aa], nimbu, stearns, glazou, plinss, [Microsoft]
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- zakim, [microsoft.aa] is me
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- [Microsoft] has JohnJansen
- 16:07:04 [Bert]
- plinss: Any extra agenda?
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- -[Microsoft.a]
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- fantasai: Hackaton?
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- +TabAtkins_
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- +[Microsoft.a]
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- glazou should now be muted
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- +SteveZ
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- +arno1; got it
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- Zakim, microsoft has johnjansen
- 16:07:38 [glazou]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- Zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
- 16:07:54 [JohnJansen]
- glazou, thanks. I can hear now.
- 16:07:57 [Bert]
- stearns: Still in planning stages.
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- +[Microsoft.aaa]
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- +Katie; got it
- 16:08:22 [Bert]
- vhardy_: What did you want to dicuss exactly?
- 16:08:25 [Zakim]
- + +47.23.69.aadd
- 16:08:29 [JohnJansen]
- Zakim, Microsoft has JohnJansen
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- JohnJansen was already listed in [Microsoft], JohnJansen
- 16:08:46 [Zakim]
- glazou should no longer be muted
- 16:08:46 [Bert]
- ... Let me check, but should not be an issue. Could be FXTF event.
- 16:08:49 [Zakim]
- +??P84
- 16:08:50 [rbetts]
- +1.604.312.aabb is me
- 16:08:53 [Zakim]
- sorry, Katie, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft.aa]'
- 16:08:58 [Bert]
- plinss: Could be for the joint FXTF day.
- 16:09:05 [JohnJansen]
- Zakim, Microsoft has Katie
- 16:09:22 [dstorey]
- zakim, ??P84 is me
- 16:09:33 [Zakim]
- JohnJansen was already listed in [Microsoft], JohnJansen
- 16:09:39 [Bert]
- plinss: Please go through list of topics on wiki and prioritize. Send list to Daniel and me.
- 16:09:50 [plinss]
- http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/hamburg-2012
- 16:09:55 [Zakim]
- +??P91
- 16:09:59 [Zakim]
- +Katie; got it
- 16:10:02 [Bert]
- ... Top 5. Because we have too many topics.
- 16:10:09 [Zakim]
- +dstorey; got it
- 16:10:09 [Bert]
- Topic: Values & units
- 16:10:12 [howcome]
- zakim, aadd is me
- 16:10:22 [fantasai]
- http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-values/issues-lc-2012
- 16:10:25 [Zakim]
- +howcome; got it
- 16:10:45 [Bert]
- fantasai: There's a 2.1 issue.
- 16:10:53 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 16:11:01 [glazou]
- howcome: will you attend hamburg meeting ?
- 16:11:17 [Bert]
- Tab: [checking if spec is up to date...]
- 16:11:25 [Bert]
- ... What was the 2.1 issue?
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- 16:11:27 [dbaron]
- Issue 19?
- 16:11:28 [howcome]
- yes, I will be in Hamburg
- 16:11:38 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 16:11:42 [florianr]
- Zakim, I am ??P6
- 16:11:42 [Zakim]
- +florianr; got it
- 16:11:45 [Bert]
- Tab: issue 20
- 16:11:53 [glazou]
- howcome: please add your flight/hotel data to http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/hamburg-2012
- 16:11:59 [fantasai]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Apr/0639.html
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- 16:12:20 [Bert]
- ... 2.1 in font-family is less strict than we probably intended.
- 16:12:24 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 16:12:44 [Bert]
- ... It potentially allows 'inherit' after comma in font-family.
- 16:12:44 [fantasai]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Apr/0638.htmlhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Apr/0638.html
- 16:13:01 [Bert]
- ... We would like a modif to disallow inherit.
- 16:13:02 [Rossen]
- Zakim, [Microsoft] has me
- 16:13:11 [dbaron]
- sounds good to me
- 16:13:13 [Zakim]
- +Rossen; got it
- 16:13:22 [JohnJansen]
- errata only, for now, correct?
- 16:13:39 [Bert]
- s/issue 20/issue 19/
- 16:14:01 [dbaron]
- (to disallow inherit anywhere within a font-family value)
- 16:14:05 [Bert]
- Tab: (Same thread as issue 20)
- 16:14:13 [dbaron]
- inherit keyword, that is
- 16:14:32 [Bert]
- RESOLVED: errata 2.1 to diasallow 'inherit' after comma in font-family
- 16:14:42 [Bert]
- Tab: Issue 20
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- ... Grammar doesn't have a token for number with preceding " or -
- 16:15:40 [Bert]
- ... Making a token for it should have no other effect than disallowing comments between + and the number.
- 16:15:43 [glazou]
- q+
- 16:16:10 [Bert]
- ... Then we can in the future talk about number tokens without having to talk about +/- every time as well.
- 16:16:30 [Bert]
- ... There are no test for this yet, I think.
- 16:16:49 [glazou]
- Zakim, ack me
- 16:16:49 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 16:16:53 [Bert]
- glazou: We use it in calc(). Is there no effect there?
- 16:17:02 [Bert]
- ... and in nth-child()
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- Tab: No effect on calc() -- makes it more accurate anyway
- 16:17:42 [Bert]
- Tab: We have to fix the grammar for nth-child anayway. No effect for calc().
- 16:17:52 [dbaron]
- the change tab is talking about making is including the + or - sign in the number, percentage, and dimension tokens
- 16:17:56 [Bert]
- plinss: Whitespace?
- 16:18:00 [fantasai]
- Tab: :nth-child grammar has errors that need to be fixed anyway, so when we fix that we can make sure this is fixed
- 16:18:04 [Bert]
- Tab: Yes, explicitly called out.
- 16:18:16 [Bert]
- glazou: Comments everywhere is a pain.
- 16:18:23 [Bert]
- ... Someday we should fix that.
- 16:18:34 [fantasai]
- (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Apr/0805.html for nth-child grammar section)
- 16:18:39 [Bert]
- plinss: I think it reasonable to include sign in the number token.
- 16:18:48 [glazou]
- thanks fantasai
- 16:18:50 [fantasai]
- plinss: should maybe only allow comments where whitespace is allowed
- 16:19:04 [Bert]
- Tab: Yes, we thought it was when we wrote values.
- 16:19:09 [Bert]
- plinss: Objections?
- 16:19:35 [Bert]
- florianr: need test
- 16:19:40 [fantasai]
- anton: every errata item should have a testcase
- 16:19:51 [Bert]
- RESOLVED: include sign in numberb token in 2.1
- 16:20:04 [Bert]
- TAB: issue 10
- 16:20:21 [Bert]
- ... calc() couls originally only return a length.
- 16:20:38 [Bert]
- ... We'd like it to allow to return an integer as well.
- 16:20:51 [fantasai]
- The proposed text is "If the type of the result, after resolving all subexpressions, is an integral <number>, the calc()'s resolved type is <integer>. "
- 16:20:54 [Bert]
- dbaron: I seem to rememebr that would make asome things hgarder.
- 16:21:06 [Bert]
- Tab: Our implementer says it is simple. Just tag it with the type.
- 16:21:33 [Bert]
- ... Can only return an integer if there are only integers in the expression.
- 16:21:55 [Bert]
- plinss: Careful with comparing floating points. After division 3.9999... is maybe 4.
- 16:22:00 [fantasai]
- plinss: floating point math might result in rounding errors that fail that check
- 16:22:05 [Bert]
- dbaron: Maybe different issue.
- 16:22:20 [Bert]
- ... Could we do numbers [not integer]?
- 16:22:24 [fantasai]
- dbaron: I had thought we couldn't do <number>s. Could we do <number>s before?
- 16:22:25 [Bert]
- Tab: yeah
- 16:22:45 [Bert]
- dbaron: So what are the rules when something is not an integer anymore?
- 16:22:51 [fantasai]
- dbaron: is calc(2.3-1.3) an integer?
- 16:23:02 [fantasai]
- dbaron: I would say that it's not an integer.
- 16:23:06 [Bert]
- dbaron: I would say it is not an int.
- 16:23:20 [fantasai]
- http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-values/#calc-type-checking
- 16:23:38 [Bert]
- ... Trying to remember how spec determined number. Trying to remember how I implemented it.
- 16:23:56 [Bert]
- ... Constant part and value part.
- 16:24:23 [fantasai]
- dbaron: Whenever you have a multiplication, it can be constant*value or value*constant
- 16:24:27 [Bert]
- ... E.g. multiplication val * const or const * val
- 16:24:42 [Bert]
- ... Are there different values allowed left and right?
- 16:24:59 [Bert]
- ... That is the case for division. Anywhere else?
- 16:25:25 [Bert]
- Tab: Type check on operations. Division bottom must be a number.
- 16:25:38 [Bert]
- dbaron: So when exactly is it an int?
- 16:25:59 [Bert]
- Tab: Eithe rmore rules about types. Or test for integer at the end, within margin.
- 16:26:22 [fantasai]
- dbaron: z-index accepts 1 but not 1.0
- 16:26:25 [Bert]
- dbaron: rule should be that all operands are int and there is no division.
- 16:26:39 [bradk]
- why can't the top and bottom of division both by lengths that resolve to a integer?
- 16:26:46 [Bert]
- florianr: Variables?
- 16:27:00 [Bert]
- Tab: Resolved in the same way.
- 16:27:14 [Bert]
- dbaron: Not sure what you say about division is correct.
- 16:27:34 [Bert]
- Tab: If left divided by right is an int, then return is also int.
- 16:28:14 [Bert]
- [discussion of when int divisions are needed]
- 16:28:30 [Bert]
- Tab: I'm OK with restricting division.
- 16:28:42 [Bert]
- ... Author can always simplify himself.
- 16:28:57 [Bert]
- plinss: You don't want value to become invalid based on value of attr()
- 16:29:02 [Bert]
- Tab: Exactly.
- 16:29:18 [fantasai]
- fantasai: don't want z-index: calc(attr(...)/2) , because that would require computed-value-time validity check
- 16:29:33 [Bert]
- plinss: Summary: result is int if all operands are int and there is no division.
- 16:29:36 [Zakim]
- -SteveZ
- 16:29:43 [Bert]
- REASOLVED: result is int if all operands are int and there is no division.
- 16:29:57 [Bert]
- s/REASOLVED/RESOLVED/
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- +SteveZ
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- http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-values/issues-lc-2012#issue-11
- 16:30:58 [Bert]
- Tab: issue 11: attr() type at parse time.
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- 16:31:34 [Bert]
- plinss: You are not proposing to allow attr() right now?
- 16:31:48 [Bert]
- tab: If we defin number type, than we can allow attr() now.
- 16:32:04 [fantasai]
- We should specify explicitly that attr() is allowed, rather than relying on <number> to imply it
- 16:32:06 [Bert]
- ... cycle() could be another.
- 16:32:26 [Bert]
- .. I think attr() is quite stable now.
- 16:32:31 [Bert]
- dbaron: Any impls?
- 16:32:42 [Bert]
- Tab: one or two. IE and prince, I think.
- 16:32:53 [Bert]
- ... Only in 'content', but at leats the functionality is there.
- 16:33:07 [Bert]
- plinss: I'm concerned with the implication so of attr() inside calc()
- 16:33:13 [glazou]
- http://www.princexml.com/doc/6.0/properties/
- 16:33:18 [Bert]
- fantasai: We can defer to level 4.
- 16:33:29 [Bert]
- dbaron: I think we can allow it.
- 16:33:40 [Bert]
- howcome: me too. We'll manage somehow.
- 16:33:48 [Bert]
- Tab: How about cycle()?
- 16:33:56 [Bert]
- ... slightly more interesting issues.
- 16:34:18 [Bert]
- ... One pb with attr() is that attr() can be 0 and so not detectable that division by 0.
- 16:34:34 [Bert]
- ... Do we want to restrict that in some way?
- 16:34:52 [Bert]
- fantasai: There are no dimensions allowed in denominator.
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- 16:35:14 [Bert]
- Tab: We force the denomninator to a number.
- 16:35:15 [fantasai]
- fantasai: could disallow attr() in denominator too
- 16:35:25 [fantasai]
- plinss: grammar allows dimensions in denominator
- 16:35:31 [Bert]
- plinss: Need to change the grammar. Percentage could be zero too.
- 16:35:34 [fantasai]
- Tab: ... in type-checking section
- 16:35:40 [Bert]
- ... Grammar says percentage is allowed.
- 16:36:01 [Bert]
- Tab: Percentages turn into the type they are resolkved against.
- 16:36:11 [Bert]
- plinss: What if percentage of zero?
- 16:36:30 [Bert]
- dbaron: I don't like to resolve percentage type after.
- 16:36:39 [Bert]
- Tab: It is still at computed value stage.
- 16:36:56 [Bert]
- dbaron: I think percentages should be treated same as dimension.
- 16:37:03 [Bert]
- Tab: OK
- 16:37:10 [Bert]
- .. So new prop:
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- 16:37:56 [Bert]
- ... Change grammar so that it allow dimen type (not just dimen token) but still
- 16:38:10 [dbaron]
- q+ to comment about cycle() and types
- 16:38:23 [TabAtkins__]
- ...keep the NUMBER token in there so we can detect early division-by-zero
- 16:38:32 [plinss]
- ack dbaron
- 16:38:32 [Zakim]
- dbaron, you wanted to comment about cycle() and types
- 16:38:53 [Bert]
- dbaron: About cycle(), it doesn't necessarily have a single type.
- 16:39:06 [Bert]
- Tab: Right, but it must be valid for all types it can turn into.
- 16:39:18 [Bert]
- dbaron: Maybe you can resolve the type beforehand.
- 16:39:38 [Bert]
- Tab: All of its types must be valid in the given location.
- 16:39:50 [Bert]
- ... In general all values must be of the same type.
- 16:40:01 [Bert]
- fantasai: Don't see the need for cycle() in calc().
- 16:40:12 [Bert]
- dbaron: Usually it's for keywords.
- 16:40:28 [Bert]
- fantasai: We should make a whitelist of what is allowed.
- 16:40:42 [Bert]
- Tab: Fine.
- 16:41:11 [Bert]
- RESOLVED: allow attr() in calc() and disallow cycle()
- 16:41:45 [Bert]
- plinss: attr() must be a dimension.
- 16:41:51 [Bert]
- Tab: Yes
- 16:42:13 [Bert]
- dbaron: About percentages: percentages never resolve to a number, I think.
- 16:42:35 [Bert]
- [opacity... percentages? no]
- 16:42:51 [Bert]
- antonp: line-height?
- 16:43:01 [Bert]
- Tab: I believe lengths
- 16:43:07 [fantasai]
- even numbers resolve against <length> there :)
- 16:43:21 [Bert]
- Tab: issue 17 is pending some advise
- 16:43:25 [Bert]
- .. Let's so 18
- 16:43:29 [Bert]
- s/../.../
- 16:43:52 [Bert]
- ... kenny suggested to use a specific URL for invalid URLs.
- 16:44:09 [Bert]
- ... Spec currently says a UA-defined invalid value.
- 16:44:20 [fantasai]
- http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-values/#attr-notation
- 16:44:26 [Bert]
- ... I don't now what that URL would be.
- 16:44:44 [Bert]
- plinss: I like the idea of it being consistent.
- 16:44:48 [dbaron]
- Gecko currently uses url(invalid-url:) in a few contexts
- 16:44:54 [Bert]
- ... Will UA ever resolve it?
- 16:45:06 [Bert]
- Tab: If it is defined to be invalid the UA can obviously skip it.
- 16:45:08 [dbaron]
- though that was sort of an ugly hack
- 16:45:26 [Bert]
- Tab: gecko uses just a scheme?
- 16:45:51 [Bert]
- dbaron: We use it if someone askes for a computed style when our parser failed to parse the URL.
- 16:46:02 [dbaron]
- s/parser/url parser/
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- 16:46:28 [Bert]
- Tab: Adam Barth's URL spec I think never fails to parse. But would need to check.
- 16:46:57 [Bert]
- dbaron: Maybe we can get advice from him.
- 16:47:10 [Bert]
- Tab: I think I can ping him.
- 16:47:25 [Bert]
- ... OK, lest' postpone that.
- 16:47:29 [Bert]
- Tab: issue 21
- 16:48:04 [fantasai]
- Tab: if you have several attr() or several cycle() in a property, you have combinatorial numbe rof things to check
- 16:48:05 [Bert]
- ... If you have several attr() and cycle(), you have a combinatorial number of types to check.
- 16:48:37 [fantasai]
- text-shadow: attr(offset px, inset) 0px 0px;
- 16:48:38 [Bert]
- ... attr() fallback must match type.
- 16:49:20 [Bert]
- ... Proposal: force cycle() to only ever be the sole value of a property.
- 16:49:24 [fantasai]
- Tab: force cycle() to be sole value of property, and for attr() fallback must match type if it's not the sole value of a property
- 16:49:31 [Bert]
- florianr: Can you explain attr()?
- 16:49:45 [florianr]
- s/attr/cycle/
- 16:49:56 [Bert]
- Tab: dbaron had ane xample where you inherit multiple cycle()s
- 16:50:43 [Bert]
- dbaron: I think what is inherited in variables is syntactic, so cannot inherit cycle() that way.
- 16:50:57 [Bert]
- Tab: Right... that would seem useful, though.
- 16:51:22 [Bert]
- ... I was confused where the var would be used and where the cycle()
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- 16:52:12 [dbaron]
- cycle(left top, right)
- 16:52:15 [dbaron]
- was peter's example
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- plinss: Then cycle can give diff. # of keywrods. Is that a pb?
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- Tab: can change the meaning, but not problematic.
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- dbaron: I think cycle is top-level only.
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- plinss: OK, so cycle is the whole value always.
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- Tab: proposal: cycle() is top-level only; when attr() is not at top level then the type of the fallback must match
- 16:54:08 [Bert]
- ... we can loosen up later.
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- RESOLVED proposal: cycle() is top-level only; when attr() is not at top level then the type of the fallback must match
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- s/proposal://
- 16:54:42 [fantasai]
- http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-values/issues-lc-2012#issue-21
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- http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-values/issues-lc-2012#issue-22
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- Tab: issue 22
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- ... required ranges are rather random.
- 16:55:07 [bradk]
- so, cycle could be used for background-position property, but not for the background-position part of the background property then, right?
- 16:55:25 [fantasai]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Apr/0530.html
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- fantasai: we reduced # of repetition form 30 to 20.
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- at Sylvain's request
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- plinss: any objecions?
- 16:56:10 [fantasai]
- http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-values/issues-lc-2012#issue-25
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- RESOLVED: dropping multipliers from 30 to 20.
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- Tab: issue 25
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- ... currently 3 decimal digits (at least).
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- dbaron: Where does this apply?
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- Tab: nymbers dimen and percentage.
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- dbaron: So this precludes diff. repres for for dimens. This seems very small 0.001 mm
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- Tab: Spec says this applis to number and percentag. We actually don't have a req for dimen.
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- florianr: [...]
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- dbaron: If the stuff on the leftof decimal point is big, we may even lose before the decimal point.
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- ... floating point.
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- dbaron: And what does "support" mean?
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- tab: round-trip
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- dbaron: Are there iplems of thie right now?
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- [nobody knows]
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- florianr: We are likely to do fixed point, but haven't done so far.
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- Peter: I think it's good to define required precision for numbers, but let's not make it incompatible with float.
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- tab: It doesn't require fixed point. Can use floating point.
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- -Katie
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- ... we can reduce this or remove it entirely.
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- plinss: A req on precision is good, but not as # of decimal digits.
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- florianr: Compatibel with single precision floats would prop. be compatibel with all current implems.
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- Tab: I think I can draw that up.
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- plinss: Sounds good.
- 17:03:07 [Bert]
- ... Maybe we need at some point a required precision for lengths.
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- ... Minimum resolution.
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- glazou: We discussed that in the past a bit already.
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- plinss: see you in Hamburg!
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- TabAtkins_: alexmog and I are discussiong flexbox with dholbert, let me know if you're around
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