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14:00:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
14:00:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:00:31 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:00:31 <trackbot> Date: 01 May 2012
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14:02:57 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:57 <Zakim> I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted
14:02:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.512.651.aaaa, SteveH, Sandro, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, AxelPolleres
14:04:07 <Zakim> +pgearon
14:04:25 <Zakim> +Chimezie
14:04:30 <sandro> Zakim, aaaa is Arthur_Keen
14:04:30 <Zakim> +Arthur_Keen; got it
14:04:34 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
14:04:34 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted
14:05:21 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0086.html
14:05:42 <AxelPolleres> scribe: matt
14:05:45 <AxelPolleres> chair: axelpolleres
14:06:19 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin
14:06:46 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve minutes form last week at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-04-24
14:07:20 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve minutes form last week at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-04-24
14:07:47 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: anything from RDF WG
14:07:51 <MattPerry> AndyS: nothing to report
14:08:11 <AxelPolleres> topic: publication advertisement/announcement
14:08:36 <MattPerry> Sandro: Just waiting for the webmaster should go out soon
14:08:54 <MattPerry> ... we should do the normal mailing list announcements
14:09:15 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: I will do the announcement
14:09:50 <MattPerry> Sandro: I gave the text for the W3C news page
14:11:16 <AxelPolleres> topic: test cases
14:11:30 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: can somebody summarize?
14:11:49 <MattPerry> ... I understand some property path tests fail now
14:12:15 <MattPerry> kasei: You pretty much captured it, property path tests need to be updated
14:12:26 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: do we need more coverage now
14:12:40 <MattPerry> kasei: I think we're pretty good
14:12:57 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: I added another test case from comment JP5
14:13:23 <MattPerry> kasei: I will add one more test too
14:13:36 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: more test cases are welcome
14:13:55 <AxelPolleres> pp36 +pp37 still need approval
14:14:10 <AndyS> tests/data-sparql11/bindings/* will need more tests.  Ditto syntax-query/
14:14:10 <kasei> q+ to mention SD tests
14:15:05 <AndyS> What's missing?
14:15:31 <MattPerry> kasei: service description tests need to be finalized
14:15:51 <MattPerry> ... I committed a manifest for the current SD tests that uses a web service validator
14:16:00 <MattPerry> ... It needs to be documented
14:16:17 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Greg to document SD test cases in README.html
14:16:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-613 - Document SD test cases in README.html [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-05-08].
14:16:27 <kasei> ack kasei
14:16:27 <Zakim> kasei, you wanted to mention SD tests
14:16:36 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: any other test cases that need actions?
14:16:37 <AxelPolleres> q?
14:16:59 <MattPerry> AndyS: will need to update bindings and syntax tests
14:17:43 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments
14:17:56 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
14:18:56 <AndyS> For WW-1, see email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0072.html
14:18:59 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Some new ones unnassigned
14:19:28 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: I can take DB21
14:20:27 <MattPerry> ... all others seem to be answered or assigned
14:20:28 <AndyS> awaiting approval: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:SA-2
14:20:43 <MattPerry> AndyS: I've got 2 outstanding responses
14:21:05 <MattPerry> ... WW1 and SA2
14:21:56 <MattPerry> AndyS: Response basically says there's a balance to be struck with property paths
14:22:16 <MattPerry> ... have to be careful with analogies using string matching
14:22:37 <MattPerry> ... syntactic short forms are different from connectivity operators
14:22:57 <MattPerry> ... email summarizes ... would appreciate comments
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14:23:34 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: we have to send official response ... let's discuss on mailing list
14:23:55 <MattPerry> AndyS: SA-2 is for new functions for UUIDs
14:24:04 <kasei> I'm relatively happy to add the UUID functions, but would want to know if anyone thinks it's one function too many w.r.t. depedency chains, etc.
14:24:32 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: does everyone agree?
14:24:47 <MattPerry> ... we don't want to just add all funtions that people want
14:24:55 <AndyS> SA-2 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0075.html for the relationship of the two functions.
14:25:08 <MattPerry> ... would like to see more support than just a comment
14:25:20 <kasei> +1 (took me ~5 minutes to implement)
14:25:23 <AndyS> +1 (implemented)
14:25:26 <pgearon> +1
14:25:42 <MattPerry> 0
14:25:51 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:25:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arthur_Keen, SteveH, Sandro, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, pgearon, Chimezie (muted)
14:25:54 <sandro> 0 not qualified to comment  :-)
14:25:58 <MattPerry> SteveH: no opinion
14:26:07 <kasei> I think it's got value in not steering people towards creating lots of new bnodes.
14:26:11 <chimezie> +1 (haven't implemented in SPARQL specifically, however)
14:26:41 <MattPerry> ... they seem useful but a bit concerned about interaction with BIND
14:27:24 <MattPerry> AndyS: for BIND we get different UUID for each row
14:28:24 <SteveH> +1 I guess
14:28:55 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: need to mark all these changes clearly in the next release
14:29:06 <AxelPolleres> let's go forward with adding UUID.
14:29:34 <AxelPolleres> response to SA-2 can be sent.
14:30:12 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: what is the publication schedule for query?
14:30:24 <AxelPolleres> topic: publication plan query
14:30:51 <AxelPolleres> andy: 3 sections to change, ..., some consistencies to be solved.
14:31:12 <MattPerry> AndyS: timeframe: soon
14:31:47 <MattPerry> AndyS: What about the blog post?
14:32:10 <MattPerry> Sandro: that is more about W3C process that SPARQL WG in particular
14:32:33 <MattPerry> ... would be nice to set the record straight, but don't want to offend
14:33:01 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: I think we should just point them back to the comments
14:33:28 <MattPerry> AndyS: Sandro, do you want to sort this out off list
14:35:08 <MattPerry> Sandro: I will check with management
14:36:18 <MattPerry> topic: bindings
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14:36:54 <MattPerry> AndyS: on going discussion on the list ... we haven't officially decided to add this yet but no one is arguing against it
14:38:10 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: question do we still leave BINDINGS at end of query
14:38:19 <kasei> q+
14:38:22 <MattPerry> ... any opinions
14:38:37 <AndyS> ack kasei
14:38:42 <MattPerry> kasei: I think dropping it is a mistake w.r.t. federation
14:39:09 <MattPerry> AndyS: I agree
14:40:01 <MattPerry> AndyS: there are 2 use cases here: (1) Federation, (2) Constrain values inside a query
14:40:23 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: same syntax?
14:40:50 <AxelPolleres> BIND VALUES ?
14:40:57 <MattPerry> AndyS: have been working on the syntax
14:41:28 <kasei> q+ to ask about effect on federation document
14:41:41 <AxelPolleres> ack kasei
14:41:41 <Zakim> kasei, you wanted to ask about effect on federation document
14:41:47 <MattPerry> ... I would rather change it even though it's more work on early implementors
14:42:18 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml
14:42:26 <MattPerry> kasei: if we change it, do we need second LC for federation doc
14:42:53 <AxelPolleres> attention: is also affected from the syntax change, but only in informative section.
14:43:31 <AxelPolleres> Axel: we can change informative sections
14:43:36 <MattPerry> Sandro: we shouldn't change anything that breaks implementations after LC
14:45:18 <MattPerry> Axel: why not use BINDINGS syntax everywhere?
14:45:50 <MattPerry> AndyS: VALUES is used inside query
14:46:22 <MattPerry> ... question is rather BINDINGS at end stays or goes
14:46:44 <sandro> +1 take the pain now, for a better longer-term design
14:46:57 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: It's awkward to me to have 2 different keywords
14:47:41 <MattPerry> AndyS: I would prefer 1 keyword
14:49:05 <MattPerry> ... I will write up the options and send to mailing list
14:49:40 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to write up the different design options on BINDINGS/VALUES to the mailing list for voting
14:49:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-614 - Write up the different design options on BINDINGS/VALUES to the mailing list for voting [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-05-08].
14:49:57 <AxelPolleres> topic: aob
14:50:01 <AxelPolleres> q?
14:50:20 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
14:50:21 <Zakim> -SteveH
14:50:22 <Zakim> -Chimezie
14:50:22 <Zakim> -MattPerry
14:50:24 <Zakim> -AndyS
14:50:25 <Zakim> -Sandro
14:50:26 <Zakim> -pgearon
14:50:26 <Zakim> -Arthur_Keen
14:50:31 <Zakim> -kasei
14:50:37 <AxelPolleres> thanks matt for scribing
14:50:42 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
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14:51:14 <AxelPolleres> matt will you do theminuts formatting on commonscribe?
14:51:19 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
14:51:20 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
14:51:20 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.512.651.aaaa, Sandro, SteveH, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, pgearon, Chimezie, Arthur_Keen
14:51:40 <sandro> BTW the specs were published 40 minutes ago.
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