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16:34:04 <Judy> zakim, room for 10?
16:34:06 <Zakim> ok, Judy; conference Team_(text)16:34Z scheduled with code 2119 (A11Y) for 60 minutes until 1734Z
16:34:49 <Judy> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Text Alternatives Subteam
16:34:59 <Judy> Chair: Judy
16:35:21 <Judy> agenda+ check of deadlines this week
16:35:21 <Judy> agenda+ alt bugs: update on CP for HTML5 in-spec alt guidance bugs--gathering, explaining, rechecking whole doc
16:35:21 <Judy> agenda+ buggy alts: update on checking alt texts in HTML5 spec itself
16:35:21 <Judy> agenda+ issue 204: update on CP for re-alignment of HTML5 spec text about ARIA with actual ARIA provisions
16:35:21 <Judy> agenda+ issue 203: update on a specific CP 
16:35:22 <Judy> agenda+ update on revised CP on meta-name generator
16:35:24 <Judy> agenda+ other business?
16:35:27 <Judy> agenda+ confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn
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17:00:41 <Zakim> +??P1
17:01:11 <Judy> zakim, ??P1 is Janina
17:01:11 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
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17:02:01 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
17:02:50 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
17:03:50 <janina> scribe: janina
17:03:58 <Judy> zakim, take up next
17:03:58 <Zakim> agendum 1. "check of deadlines this week" taken up [from Judy]
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17:05:14 <JF> http://w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
17:05:15 <Judy> Issue 204 (ARIA hidden) has a deadline of April 18th, which is tomorrow
17:05:53 <JF> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
17:06:34 <Judy> Issue 203 (allow alt and longdesc on video) had a deadline, and needs a revised CP
17:10:39 <Judy> Issue 31-c (meta name generator) has a target date (not deadline) for an updated CP of April 20th
17:14:11 <Judy> Issue (###) (buggy alt in the spec itself) by the next coordination meeting
17:14:17 <Judy> zakim, take up next
17:14:17 <Zakim> agendum 2. "alt bugs: update on CP for HTML5 in-spec alt guidance bugs--gathering, explaining, rechecking whole doc" taken up [from Judy]
17:15:25 <janina> dm: Spec has images with null alt, probably not WCAG conformant -- at least 4
17:15:34 <JF> +Q
17:15:52 <janina> ack j
17:16:46 <janina> jb: We were going to do an internal pass plus Steve before forwarding on list, were we not?
17:19:04 <Judy> Regrets: Leif, Laura
17:19:39 <janina> jb: Do I understand you're finding missing alt sometimes, what about alt that is there?
17:19:42 <janina> dm: Mostly good
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17:25:10 <janina> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/single-page.html
17:25:22 <janina> That's the single page current as of March last
17:26:37 <janina> jb: Janina, were you going to coordinate with David on the write up of this?
17:26:41 <janina> js: I could do that
17:27:17 <janina> zakim, next item
17:27:17 <Zakim> agendum 3. "buggy alts: update on checking alt texts in HTML5 spec itself" taken up [from Judy]
17:27:55 <janina> jb: Oops, we got our labels reversed!
17:28:08 <janina> jb: This topic we just discussed
17:28:22 <janina> jb: So we're now on Alt Bugs
17:28:54 <Judy> s/labels/topic names/
17:32:05 <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
17:40:07 <janina> js will proceed with help from the group to:
17:40:30 <janina> 1> ascertain whether or not 4.8 re alt is by far the most extensive prescriptive guidance for authoring
17:40:50 <janina> 2. Pont out that 4.8 and Steve's doc are not the same, and the WG needs to decide between the two
17:41:03 <janina> 3. List out all the points of disagreement re guidance provided
17:41:14 <janina> agreement on approach
17:41:45 <janina> dm: alt descript of network diagram is really a longdesc, not an alt
17:42:02 <janina> dm: but in 8.2.1 same image is null alt text
17:42:19 <janina> jf: And no describedby, or other
17:42:22 <janina> zakim, next item
17:42:22 <Zakim> agendum 4. "issue 204: update on CP for re-alignment of HTML5 spec text about ARIA with actual ARIA provisions" taken up [from Judy]
17:42:43 <JF> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
17:43:04 <laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/CorrectHidden
17:43:21 <janina> jb: Laura has taken recent discussion into a proposed CP
17:44:04 <janina> jb: One question is whether JS wants to work from this or start another?
17:44:11 <JF> +Q
17:44:14 <janina> jb: What needed to get this done?
17:47:56 <janina> jf: My action was to withdraw mine once we have a replacement in place
17:48:09 <janina> jf: Apologize for my loaded language, but the basics are there
17:48:50 <janina> jf: Not sure how to make my points if I withdraw my cp
17:49:12 <janina> jf: Maybe rather than ref my note, just rewrite to make lang more neutral and straight forward
17:49:30 <janina> jb: Do you want to flag items?
17:49:47 <janina> jf: Laura has captured the key items
17:49:49 <janina> q+
17:49:54 <janina> ack j
17:51:47 <janina> jb: Can I reverse the question?
17:52:05 <janina> jb: John, are there specific things that you want to make sure Laura and Janina don't drop?
17:55:10 <janina> jb: Important not to accuse someone of misunderstand or of intentionally misusing. Better to focus on the substance of what we need to put forward.
17:56:41 <janina> [jb discussing with lc wiki editing strategies ... ]
17:57:18 <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
17:59:27 <Judy> q+ to suggest something about blogged evidence
17:59:30 <Judy> ack jf
17:59:40 <janina> jf: I'm working on my own blog illustrating the points around hidden, including screenshots from ZoomText
18:00:23 <janina> jb: Wondering how one maximizes reads of external blog evidence?
18:00:56 <janina> jb: Suggest providing the text of what is said even when providing a URI in the WBS
18:01:26 <Judy> q+ to suggest *how* to provide linked off-survey evidence
18:03:55 <janina> jb: Even though it sounds redundant, it's useful to include these things in a WBS response to make sure that the dots are connected for people
18:04:44 <janina> jf: My goal is to have in hand evidence to backup our assertions
18:05:01 <janina> jb: Agree and appreciate. My comments are to make sure people get it and actually look at it
18:07:40 <janina> jf: My intent is to withdraw once there's another in place, is that still the group's understanding?
18:07:45 <janina> [agreement in meeting]
18:09:13 <janina> zakim, next item
18:09:13 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
18:09:19 <janina> q?
18:09:23 <janina> ack j
18:09:23 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to suggest something about blogged evidence and to suggest *how* to provide linked off-survey evidence
18:09:23 <Judy> ack ju
18:09:28 <janina> q?
18:10:00 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:10:00 <Zakim> agendum 5. "issue 203: update on a specific CP" taken up [from Judy]
18:10:40 <janina> jb: Last meeting, John, I think you were wrestling with this?
18:10:47 <janina> jf: Yes, my action is to rewrite
18:11:00 <janina> jf: Something along the lines of let video take longdesc
18:11:22 <janina> jf: I was out of town last week
18:11:34 <janina> jf: Now thinking of 2 cps
18:11:40 <janina> jf: One for alt, one for longdesc
18:12:14 <janina> jb: Are you sure you need separate proposals?
18:12:20 <janina> jf: That's what we said last week!
18:12:29 <janina> js: I think we misunderstood each other last week
18:13:09 <JF> http://w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/Issue203
18:27:27 <janina> zakim, next item
18:27:28 <Zakim> agendum 6. "update on revised CP on meta-name generator" taken up [from Judy]
18:27:44 <janina> jb: We're now calling it issue-31c
18:27:53 <Judy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Text_Alternatives/Meta_Generator_Decision_Comments
18:28:34 <janina> jb: We have a skelaton from LC using Maciej's rejection ...
18:28:55 <janina> jb: My task is to add content re what they're missing
18:31:15 <janina> jb: We have also had use cases added that I'm unconvinced help. Would appreciate feedback on that
18:32:34 <Judy> agenda?
18:33:19 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
18:33:24 <janina> zakim, bye
18:33:24 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Judy, Janina, John_Foliot, David_MacDonald, Laura_Carlson
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