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14:24:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:24:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:24:04 <trackbot> Date: 21 March 2012
14:25:19 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2012Mar/0056.html
14:25:24 <shadi> chair: Simon
14:25:40 <shadi> regrets: Joshue, Yehya
14:25:59 <shadi> agenda?
14:26:02 <shadi> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
14:26:02 <shadi> Agenda+ Publication Format - 
14:26:02 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2012Mar/0055.html
14:26:02 <shadi> Agenda+ Copyright / Credit / Citations - discussion.
14:26:02 <shadi> Agenda+ Mobile Full Call
14:26:03 <shadi> Agenda+ Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013
14:26:05 <shadi> Agenda+ RDWG Incubator
14:26:08 <shadi> Agenda+ Current W3C Note Status
14:26:10 <shadi> Agenda+ Any Other Business
14:26:14 <shadi> agenda?
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14:30:00 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()10:30AM has now started
14:30:01 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:30:17 <Zakim> +??P0
14:30:18 <Zakim> -??P0
14:30:19 <Zakim> +??P0
14:30:45 <christos> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:30:45 <Zakim> +christos; got it
14:30:52 <Zakim> +??P4
14:30:57 <Zakim> +Shawn
14:31:00 <christos> zakim, mute me
14:31:00 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
14:32:01 <Klaus> P4
14:32:40 <Klaus> <zakim> +??P4
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14:32:58 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
14:32:58 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
14:32:59 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from shadi]
14:32:59 <Zakim> 2. Publication Format - [from shadi]
14:32:59 <Zakim> 3. Copyright / Credit / Citations - discussion. [from shadi]
14:32:59 <Zakim> 4. Mobile Full Call [from shadi]
14:32:59 <Zakim> 5. Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 [from shadi]
14:33:01 <Zakim> 6. RDWG Incubator [from shadi]
14:33:04 <Zakim> 7. Current W3C Note Status [from shadi]
14:33:05 <Zakim> 8. Any Other Business [from shadi]
14:33:14 <Klaus> <zakim>, ??P4 is me
14:33:33 <Klaus> zakim +??P4
14:33:58 <Klaus> zakim, ??P4 is me
14:33:58 <Zakim> +Klaus; got it
14:34:20 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:34:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi, christos (muted), Klaus, Shawn
14:34:25 <Zakim> +??P8
14:34:28 <sharper> zakim, ??P8 is sharper
14:34:28 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
14:34:29 <shawn> zakim, mute me
14:34:29 <Zakim> Shawn should now be muted
14:35:24 <Zakim> +??P9
14:35:36 <giorgio> zakim, ??p9 is giorgio
14:35:36 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
14:35:59 <christos> zakim, ack me
14:35:59 <Zakim> unmuting christos
14:36:00 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:36:32 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
14:36:33 <christos> zakim, mute me
14:36:33 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
14:36:37 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:36:37 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:36:55 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
14:36:55 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
14:36:58 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:36:58 <Zakim> 2. Publication Format - [from shadi]
14:36:58 <markel> markel has joined #rd
14:37:05 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:37:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Publication Format -" taken up [from shadi]
14:37:10 <sharper> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2012Mar/0055.html
14:37:31 <Zakim> +??P11
14:37:44 <markel> zakim, ??P11 is markel
14:37:44 <Zakim> +markel; got it
14:38:08 <giorgio> I guess nobody hears me
14:38:16 <Zakim> -giorgio
14:38:25 <giorgio> I'll try again
14:38:30 <giorgio> in a momen
14:38:46 <sharper> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2012Mar/0055.html
14:39:28 <Zakim> +??P9
14:39:36 <shadi> MV: talked about different approaches and propose this one
14:39:39 <giorgio> zakim, ??p9 is giorgio
14:39:39 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
14:39:55 <giorgio> I'm back.
14:40:05 <shadi> ...container with the full papers as sections rather than appendecies
14:40:28 <markel> M.Vigo, G. Brajnik, J. O'Connor (2012) Research note, In W3C Note on Web Accessibility Metrics,  Dec 5, 2011. Permalink: …
14:40:55 <shadi> ...people can refer to the entire Note or to the individual papers
14:41:00 <markel> M. Naftali, O. Clúa (2011) Integration of Web Accessibility Metrics into a Semi-Automatic evaluation process, In W3C Notes on Web Accessibility Metrics, M.Vigo, G. Brajnik, J. O'Connor (Eds), Dec 5, 2011. Permalink: 
14:41:22 <shadi> ...but the papers are within the Note "container"
14:42:16 <shadi> GB: we also provide instructions on how to reference
14:42:36 <shadi> q+
14:42:41 <shadi> ack me
14:42:42 <sharper> ack shad
14:42:56 <shawn> [ Shawn thought we were not going to include the papers in the Note ]
14:42:58 <markel> right
14:43:25 <shadi> SAZ: why sections rather than appendecies, as previously discussed?
14:43:29 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:43:29 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:43:44 <shadi> GB: putting them as appendecies gives them a secondary note
14:43:54 <shadi> ...this is like book chapters
14:43:57 <shadi> ack me
14:44:29 <giorgio> q+
14:45:05 <markel> q+
14:45:15 <shawn> SAZ: strong concerns and objections - if so, then would need to be able to discuss & edit section. WG note is work of a Gropu, and represents positions of the Group, so adding contributions from outside the group - is not correct
14:45:26 <markel> q-
14:45:47 <shawn> ... if not the work of the group, then need to be included differently with clear disclaimers
14:46:27 <shadi> GB: do not have the right to ammend or change the papers
14:46:41 <shadi> ...it is the research note that is the work of the group
14:47:02 <shadi> ...the word "appendix" was never put in the call for paper
14:47:06 <shadi> q+
14:47:10 <shadi> ack g
14:47:35 <shadi> MV: see shadi's point but the scientific committee decides what is good for publishing
14:47:51 <shadi> ...otherwise the point of scientific committee is lost
14:48:01 <shadi> ...also agree that we do not have the right to ammend
14:48:22 <shadi> SH: not possible to change work
14:48:28 <shadi> ...don't have the copyright
14:48:54 <shawn> q+ to say CfP says "Accepted papers will be published - in attributable form - as part of the proceedings and in the ensuing publication, which will be published using the W3C Document License." what to do now versus future can be different
14:49:04 <shadi> ...discussion is about the W3C Note and how the editor views are presented
14:49:07 <shadi> q- last
14:49:11 <shadi> q+ last
14:49:16 <shadi> q- last
14:49:24 <shawn> ack me
14:49:25 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say CfP says "Accepted papers will be published - in attributable form - as part of the proceedings and in the ensuing publication, which will be published
14:49:28 <shadi> ack shawn
14:49:28 <Zakim> ... using the W3C Document License." what to do now versus future can be different
14:50:03 <shadi> SLH: what do we need to do now based on what we need to do in the future
14:50:26 <shadi> s/on/and
14:50:53 <shadi> ...[cites text in call for papers]
14:51:16 <shadi> ...are we bound to including them more than an appendix
14:51:30 <shadi> ...agree with the strong discomfort
14:51:33 <shadi> ack me
14:53:04 <shawn> saz: agree to separate what to do in future. agree that we did not agree to change the papers we accepted. the scienfitc committee (SC) does not replace W3C development structure. SC select papers ; however that doesn't change that the W3C WG Note represents the WG.
14:53:40 <shawn> ... those are different information. does not work to put them at the same level
14:54:33 <markel> q+
14:54:37 <sharper> ack m
14:55:04 <giorgio> I agree with adding the disclaimer to each of the papers; I don't see why we should "downgrade" papers to appendixes, once they have these disclaimers
14:55:11 <shadi> MV: if this is the frame that W3C has, then we have to live with it
14:55:23 <shadi> ...."appendix" has negative connotations
14:55:35 <shadi> q+ to ask about the negative connotations
14:55:45 <shadi> ...would never cite an appendix
14:55:54 <shadi> ...low value of citation
14:55:57 <giorgio> and, in the cfp it was not absolutely clear (in written words and also within our discussions) that we had to downgrade papers to appendixes.
14:56:06 <shadi> ...maybe need to look for a better way of referencing
14:56:36 <shawn> q+ to ask why not encourage citation of the papers in the proceedings? e.g., http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/paper1/ -- note that we can change the look of this
14:57:12 <shadi> SAZ: will double-check that
14:57:15 <shawn> SAZ: will check on W3C issue
14:57:32 <shawn> SIMON: maybe instead of "Appendix", "Contributed Material"
14:58:13 <shawn> SAZ: also protects authors so clear that contributed material is not that of the authors (eg they're not stealing it :-)
14:58:25 <shawn> ... surprised to hear negative about appendix
14:58:28 <shawn> ack shadi
14:58:28 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to ask about the negative connotations
14:58:33 <giorgio> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/appendix says "supplementary material usually attached at the end of a piece of writing "
14:58:49 <shadi> zakim, mute
14:58:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute', shadi
14:59:02 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:59:02 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:59:25 <shawn> ack me
14:59:25 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask why not encourage citation of the papers in the proceedings? e.g., http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/paper1/ -- note that we can change the look of
14:59:28 <shadi> action: shadi to check different ways for referencing contributed materials in WG Note
14:59:28 <Zakim> ... this
14:59:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Check different ways for referencing contributed materials in WG Note [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2012-03-28].
14:59:50 <markel> according to OXD for appendix:
14:59:55 <markel> "An addition subjoined to a document or book, having some contributory value in connection with the subject matter of the work, but not essential to its completeness."
14:59:59 <shadi> SLH: not sure why we do not want to encourage citations in the proceedings
15:00:14 <shadi> ...not bound by that particular current layout
15:00:20 <giorgio> q+
15:00:24 <sharper> ack g
15:00:47 <shadi> GB: yes, could have both
15:00:48 <markel> agree
15:00:59 <shadi> ...as long as they have the same permalink guarantees
15:01:25 <shadi> q+
15:01:29 <shadi> ack me
15:01:29 <sharper> ack s
15:02:09 <shawn> [ or, just make a "publication" that is the WG note and the papers as proceedings ]
15:02:20 <shadi> SAZ: could do both, appendecies for this time since we promised plus proceedings
15:02:28 <shadi> +1 to shawn
15:02:32 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:02:32 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:02:59 <Klaus> have to leave, bye
15:03:05 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Talk:Mobile_Pre_CFP
15:03:25 <sharper> Instead of: "Accepted papers will be published - in attributable form - as part of the proceedings and in the ensuing publication, which will be published using the W3C Document License."
15:03:29 <shawn> s/[ or, just make a "publication" that is the WG note and the papers as proceedings ]/[ OR not include the papers as appendix -- instead make a "publication" that is the WG Note and the papers as proceedings -- nicely formatted together :-]
15:03:30 <Zakim> -Klaus
15:03:34 <sharper> Consider: "Accepted papers will be published as part of the proceedings. Accepted papers may also be referenced or included (in full or in part) in attributable form in the ensuing publication, which will be published using the W3C Document License."
15:03:35 <shadi> agenda?
15:03:35 <markel> I'll scribe
15:03:51 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:04:00 <shadi> scribe: markel
15:04:11 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Copyright / Credit / Citations - discussion." taken up [from shadi]
15:04:46 <shawn> Accepted papers will be published as part of the proceedings, in attributable form, which will be published using the W3C Document License.
15:05:09 <giorgio> looks fine to me
15:05:10 <shadi> +1
15:05:15 <christos> +1
15:05:19 <markel> SH: what do we think about this new wording?
15:05:20 <shawn> [ may need a little editing - but that's the idea :-]
15:05:28 <markel> +1
15:05:32 <sharper> +1
15:05:50 <markel> SH: we all like SLH wording with a little bit of editing
15:06:22 <markel> SH: the citations part cannot? be discussed until we know something about permalinks
15:06:41 <markel> SH: Giorgio has came across two ways of citing
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15:06:54 <sharper> M.Vigo, G. Brajnik, J. O'Connor (2012) Research note, In W3C Note on Web Accessibility Metrics,  Dec 5, 2011. Permalink: …...
15:07:04 <sharper> M. Naftali, O. Clúa (2011) Integration of Web Accessibility Metrics into a Semi-Automatic evaluation process, In W3C Notes on Web Accessibility Metrics, M.Vigo, G. Brajnik, J. O'Connor (Eds), Dec 5, 2011. Permalink: …...
15:07:47 <Zakim> +??P12
15:07:48 <markel> SH: I like this style looks like normal proceedings 
15:07:52 <yeliz> zakim, ??P12 is yeliz
15:07:52 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
15:07:52 <markel> what do we think?
15:07:57 <markel> +1
15:08:13 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
15:08:13 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
15:08:22 <giorgio> q+
15:08:24 <markel> SLH: can we say instead of "In W3C Notes" say "symposium proceedings"?
15:08:25 <yeliz> hi all, sorry I am late
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15:09:20 <Peter_Thiessen> Sorry work emergency .. :'(
15:09:31 <markel> GB: I put "W3C Note.." because I found these type of resources in the W3C website
15:09:32 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
15:09:59 <markel> GB: I'm happy with SLH's suggested changes 
15:10:14 <yeliz> +1
15:10:18 <Peter_Thiessen> (have no headset so will just be on IRC today)
15:10:32 <shawn> +1
15:10:36 <sharper> +1
15:10:38 <christos> +1
15:10:44 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
15:10:47 <markel> +1
15:10:52 <giorgio> +1
15:11:18 <giorgio> w3c online symposium on web accessbility petrics
15:11:33 <Peter_Thiessen> +1 if this about the call wiki edits from Simon
15:11:34 <giorgio> s/petrics/metrics/
15:11:51 <markel> RESOLUTION: "w3c online symposium on web accessibility metrics" is the new way of referencing
15:12:11 <shawn> Proceedings
15:12:35 <giorgio> M. Naftali, O. Clúa (2011) Integration of Web Accessibility Metrics into a Semi-Automatic evaluation process, In Proc. W3C Online Symposium on Web Accessibility Metrics, M.Vigo, G. Brajnik, J. O'Connor (Eds), Dec 5, 2011. Permalink: …...
15:12:37 <markel> RESOLUTION: regarding copyright we agree on "Accepted papers will be published as part of the proceedings, in attributable form, which will be published using the W3C Document License."
15:12:38 <shawn> [ again, might need a little tweaking to make smooth ]
15:12:59 <giorgio> M.Vigo, G. Brajnik, J. O'Connor (2012) Research note, In Proc. W3C Online Symposium on Web Accessibility Metrics,  Dec 5, 2011. Permalink: …...
15:13:02 <sharper> zakim, close item 3
15:13:02 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, sharper
15:13:02 <sharper> zakim, take up item 4
15:13:04 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Mobile Full Call" taken up [from shadi]
15:13:08 <shawn> q?
15:13:14 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Main_Page
15:13:15 <giorgio> q-
15:13:24 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility_Call
15:13:25 <shawn> zakim, take up next item
15:13:25 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, shawn
15:13:59 <markel> RESOLUTION: "w3c online proceedings on web accessibility metrics" is the new way of referencing
15:14:37 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile
15:15:00 <markel> SH: who'd like to talk about the suggested changes for the above links?
15:15:45 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
15:15:45 <Zakim> yeliz should no longer be muted
15:15:48 <markel> SLH: I'm suggesting to have a summary for those that get to the main pages (2-3 sentences)
15:16:01 <markel> YY: what about combining both links?
15:16:08 <markel> YY: in just one documents
15:16:14 <markel> SH: I'm fine with that
15:16:52 <shawn> q+ to comment -- think about the future -- e.g., http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/Overview.html
15:17:03 <shawn> ack me
15:17:03 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to comment -- think about the future -- e.g., http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/Overview.html
15:17:06 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
15:17:06 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
15:17:07 <markel> YY: in general when there is a CFP, it is a single one that encloses all details...self-contained..it helps on the distribution..shouldn't be that long 
15:17:34 <markel> SLH: thinking about the future, CFP can become historical whereas we need a summary of the symposium
15:17:53 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
15:17:53 <Zakim> yeliz should no longer be muted
15:18:01 <shadi> q+ to say cross-links will be more apparent in the WAI style (as opposed to the wiki format)
15:18:04 <markel> SH: can we have just one CFP and for archival purposes split into two
15:18:18 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
15:18:18 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
15:18:24 <Peter_Thiessen> About the mobile call wiki - we mention MBWP. One point I keep coming back to is also including MWABP (http://www.w3.org/TR/mwabp/) - any thoughts on this?
15:18:27 <markel> YY: what's the rational for the "historical" archival of the CFP
15:18:48 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
15:18:48 <Zakim> yeliz should no longer be muted
15:18:54 <Peter_Thiessen> s/MBWP/MWBP/
15:18:57 <markel> SLH: when I go back, the processes involved don't really matter, I'm more interested on the content 
15:19:14 <markel> YY: I can understand that but people can filter out this information
15:19:40 <markel> YY: it'll make things easier for future symposium
15:19:52 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
15:19:52 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
15:19:52 <christos> I don't think that having a call for papers with backround and the rest means that we can't have also the seperate description for the symposium
15:19:55 <markel> SH: I'm agnostic about this
15:20:16 <yeliz> I am not sure
15:20:37 <markel> SH: some may find relevant all information, without prejudging what people want in the future
15:20:45 <markel> SLH: we already have that
15:20:48 <yeliz> I am OK with either way
15:21:02 <giorgio> q+
15:21:10 <markel> SLH: the information related the CFP are lots of printed papers
15:21:25 <yeliz> we can't hear Shadi
15:21:26 <shawn> ack shadi
15:21:27 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to say cross-links will be more apparent in the WAI style (as opposed to the wiki format)
15:22:09 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:22:09 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:22:19 <markel> SAZ: when the pages are put on the WAI style it'll be easier, the wiki format does not help to discern
15:22:43 <markel> GB: there is some duplicated information when considering both documents
15:22:56 <markel> GB: the background could be summarized
15:23:07 <markel> GB: and objectives should go on the CFP
15:23:29 <markel> SH: this way follows the philosophy of the previous CFP on metrics
15:24:22 <markel> SLH: wiki pages are used within the group, the don't go into the WAI site
15:24:44 <markel> SH: the previous CFP points to the wiki already
15:24:57 <markel> +q
15:25:13 <sharper> ack g
15:25:17 <sharper> ack m
15:25:28 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
15:25:28 <Zakim> yeliz should no longer be muted
15:25:32 <yeliz> q+
15:25:47 <sharper> ack y
15:25:56 <markel> YY: I'm okay with either way
15:26:48 <markel> YY: my experience about the previous symposium I was confused when clicking on the call for papers -confusing comments about the information architecture on the site-
15:26:57 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
15:26:57 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
15:27:32 <markel> SH: we have two options (1) One document (2) More than one document with nice linking
15:27:38 <yeliz> in the current format, we have http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/cfp.html, we have Wikie page and we have the symposium page
15:27:57 <markel> One document:;
15:27:58 <christos> +1
15:28:00 <markel> +1
15:28:03 <yeliz> +1
15:28:06 <giorgio> +1
15:28:16 <sharper> +1
15:28:16 <Peter_Thiessen> meh sure +1/-1
15:28:31 <markel> More than one document:
15:28:35 <shawn> +1 :)
15:28:39 <shawn> [ Shawn notes that one document will not be the call for papers ]
15:28:43 <shadi> +0.5
15:28:48 <Peter_Thiessen> :)
15:28:49 <yeliz> :)
15:29:00 <yeliz> Yes
15:29:02 <yeliz> :)
15:29:17 <markel> SLH: that document will not be the CFP, just the symposium page
15:29:48 <yeliz> me too
15:30:11 <markel> RESOLUTION: the symposium page will be just one web page.
15:30:27 <Peter_Thiessen> Will this one page be the current page?
15:30:39 <yeliz> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility_Call
15:30:44 <Peter_Thiessen> ty
15:30:46 <yeliz> This will be the single page
15:30:53 <markel> SH: any changes we want to make please send them to the RDWG list
15:31:09 <markel> SH: we have to change the dates, we lost too much time
15:31:16 <shadi> ack me
15:31:30 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:31:30 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:31:37 <markel> SH: suggest changes during this week; afterwards, it's not going to be possible
15:31:41 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile
15:31:53 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
15:31:53 <Zakim> yeliz should no longer be muted
15:31:54 <markel> SH: YY and PT ask for comments on the list
15:32:24 <shadi> q+
15:32:37 <shadi> ack me
15:33:09 <shawn> [ Shawn would like to suggest inviting Henny Swan to participate in Scientific Committee ]
15:33:35 <yeliz> shawn, I agree, inviting Henny would be great
15:33:35 <yeliz> :)
15:33:38 <markel> SAZ: in the bullets part "the problem they tried to solve" does not match much
15:33:46 <markel> SH: is this necessary?
15:34:09 <markel> I think this is inherited from the previous CFP
15:34:40 <yeliz> q+
15:34:40 <markel> yes, I agree with you Shadi
15:34:43 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:34:43 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:35:20 <markel> SH: if anybody wants to do that I'd be happy
15:35:44 <Peter_Thiessen> (I may have just gone ahead and added MWABP to the Mobile wiki page - no one said no so .. :)
15:35:52 <markel> YY: let's ask people about the single page
15:36:20 <markel> SH: do we want people to make direct changes on the wiki
15:36:27 <markel> YY: I'm okay with that
15:36:40 <markel> SH: let's do it this way
15:37:07 <giorgio> bye
15:37:10 <christos> goodbye
15:37:15 <Zakim> -Shawn
15:37:17 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:37:17 <Zakim> -sharper
15:37:18 <Peter_Thiessen> cheers 
15:37:19 <Zakim> -yeliz
15:37:21 <Zakim> -giorgio
15:37:29 <markel> zakim, close item 4
15:37:29 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, markel
15:37:51 <markel> markel has left #rd
15:38:13 <Zakim> -markel
15:43:14 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, christos, in WAI_RDWG()10:30AM
15:43:16 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()10:30AM has ended
15:43:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, christos, Shawn, Klaus, sharper, giorgio, markel, yeliz, mhausenblas