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11:02:00 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
11:02:00 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; that matches IA_MAWG()7:00AM
11:02:14 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?
11:02:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, wbailer
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11:02:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, tmichel, trackbot
11:03:38 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG telco
11:03:41 <wbailer> chair: thierry
11:03:48 <wbailer> regrets: florian, mari-carmen
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11:04:40 <Zakim> +??P3
11:04:53 <pchampin> zakim, ?PP3 is me
11:04:53 <Zakim> sorry, pchampin, I do not recognize a party named '?PP3'
11:05:13 <pchampin> zakim, ??P3 is me
11:05:13 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
11:05:22 <wbailer> regrets+ daniel
11:05:35 <wbailer> present: thierry, pierre-antoine, werner
11:05:37 <tmichel> regrets: Mari-Carmen, Florian, Daniel
11:06:17 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin
11:06:26 <pchampin> scribenick: pchampin
11:06:35 <pchampin> topic: open actions
11:06:50 <tmichel> topic: Open Actions 
11:07:03 <pchampin> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
11:07:40 <pchampin> close ACTION-454
11:07:40 <trackbot> ACTION-454 Extract atomic JASOM responses closed
11:07:53 <pchampin> close ACTION-455
11:07:53 <trackbot> ACTION-455 Review the Media RSS, TexFeed and YouTube JSON files closed
11:08:09 <pchampin> close ACTION-458
11:08:09 <trackbot> ACTION-458 Update implementation report closed
11:08:24 <pchampin> close action-459
11:08:24 <trackbot> ACTION-459 Send tests for general behavior test cases closed
11:09:07 <pchampin> close action-461
11:09:07 <trackbot> ACTION-461 Check format of implementation report with thierry closed
11:09:28 <pchampin> close action-463
11:09:28 <trackbot> ACTION-463 to review the genetal tests closed
11:09:46 <pchampin> close action-464
11:09:46 <trackbot> ACTION-464 Review the XMP DRF and TTL files closed
11:09:52 <tmichel> topic:Moving The API spec to PR. 
11:10:08 <tmichel> The implementation report says that all tests are passed at least by two implementations
11:10:08 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/API/implementation-report.html 
11:10:26 <pchampin> tmichel: the implementation report is almost done
11:10:38 <pchampin> ... we have fullfilled the criteria: 2 implementations for each test
11:10:57 <tmichel> REmains an issue about the General tests cases which some are missing links: G1, G5,G6,G7
11:10:57 <tmichel> Werner proposed
11:10:57 <tmichel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2012Mar/0022.html 
11:11:18 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/API/implementation-report.html#L549
11:12:03 <pchampin> tmichel: I've added the suggested column "relevant parameters" (see URL above)
11:12:54 <pchampin> werner: it's good; for G5 it's tricky to fill this column
11:13:19 <pchampin> ... needs to provide several URLs that are reachable for the implementation,
11:13:39 <pchampin> ... so will differ from an implementation to another
11:14:10 <pchampin> tmichel: we need to be able to answer the question "how can you test without a test file?"
11:15:13 <wbailer> proposed solution: state in needed parameters just that two metadata sources need to be created
11:15:29 <wbailer> ... list actual URIs of the sources used for the implementations that passed the test
11:16:23 <pchampin> s/proposed/werner: proposed/
11:16:35 <pchampin> tmichel: next problem: some cases have no input
11:18:21 <pchampin> werner: actually, the files that are currently linked are too specific, they are just examples
11:18:46 <pchampin> ... it would be less confusing to direct the text to *any* of the input files provided below
11:20:16 <pchampin> ... the test is not to work with those specific files only, but with any file
11:21:03 <pchampin> tmichel: propose to remove the links in G5, G6, G7
11:21:39 <pchampin> werner: could be done as well for G2, G3, G4, with a note explaining that any input file can be used
11:21:58 <pchampin> RESOLVED: remove the link for tests G5, G6, G7
11:25:21 <pchampin> werner: the file for G2 is pathological, but G2 should also work with a valid file
11:25:33 <pchampin> pchampin: that would be two variants of the same test
11:26:10 <pchampin> tmichel: so for G2, G3, G4 we keep the link as they are, add a new test for G2 with a correct input (non-pathological)
11:28:58 <pchampin> werner: another issue: note #2 below the table, about the JSON response
11:29:15 <pchampin> ... should we instead provide the two possible answers
11:29:36 <pchampin> s/two possible/three possible/
11:30:18 <pchampin> ... with a note explaining that either one is a valid response?
11:30:22 <pchampin> pchampin: I agree
11:31:37 <pchampin> tmichel: something else that may raise a question: implementation 2 & 3 are from the same university and research center
11:32:10 <pchampin> ... not really a problem for most tests, as they are fullfilled by either 1 and 3 or 2 and 3
11:32:22 <pchampin> ... except for the "General behaviour tests"
11:32:46 <pchampin> ... To be on the safe side, it would be better that Implementation 1 fullfill them.
11:33:21 <pchampin> ... Eitherways, we could be told "implementation 2 and 3 are actually the same, so those tests are passed by only one implementation"
11:33:40 <pchampin> werner: it should not be too complicated for Implementation 1 to fullfill them, actually it really should
11:33:52 <pchampin> ... I'll check with Florian & Sebastian
11:34:58 <pchampin> tmichel: once all those changes are done, I'll ask the team (during next call) if we agree to ask for the transition to PR
11:34:59 <tmichel> API PR version
11:35:01 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/API10/PR/
11:36:09 <pchampin> tmichel: I will check with Florian, but I don't think we received any comment during CR
11:36:18 <tmichel> Action Thierry to check with Florian if there are updates to be done in the PR version
11:36:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-465 - Check with Florian if there are updates to be done in the PR version [on Thierry Michel - due 2012-03-27].
11:36:29 <tmichel> Additional mappings
11:36:35 <pchampin> topic: additional mappings
11:36:38 <tmichel> a- Schema.org maping first draft provided by JP. 
11:37:37 <tmichel> ACTION mari- Carmen to review the Schema.org maping
11:37:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - mari-
11:37:38 <pchampin> JP provided a first version of the SChema.org mapping
11:37:55 <tmichel> ACTION mari-Carmen to review the Schema.org maping
11:37:55 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - mari-Carmen
11:38:23 <tmichel> 4.Issue with DC XPath Expressions 
11:38:51 <tmichel> Additional mappings provided by Sebastian for YouTube
11:39:45 <tmichel> ACTION Wonsuk to update the new YouTube mapping table
11:39:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-466 - Update the new YouTube mapping table [on WonSuk Lee - due 2012-03-27].
11:39:58 <tmichel> topic:.Issue with DC XPath Expressions 
11:40:09 <tmichel> sorry
11:40:32 <tmichel> Issue with YouTube XPath Expressions 
11:41:25 <pchampin> tmichel: do we have to update the mapping table, or do we have to update the examples?
11:41:49 <pchampin> werner: as far as I understood, this requires a change in the mapping table
11:41:54 <tmichel> if it is the Xpath expressions in the ontology REC, it needs an errata
11:42:02 <pchampin> tmichel: in that case we need an erratum for that
11:42:32 <tmichel> ACTION Wonsuk to review the Xpath Expressions in the YOU Tube mapping table
11:42:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-467 - Review the Xpath Expressions in the YOU Tube mapping table [on WonSuk Lee - due 2012-03-27].
11:49:22 <Zakim> -wbailer
11:49:29 <pchampin> rrsagent, draft the minutes
11:49:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/20-mediaann-minutes.html pchampin
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