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17:49:28 <olivier> zakim, this will be audio
17:49:28 <Zakim> ok, olivier; I see RWC_Audio()2:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
17:50:23 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2012JanMar/0392.html
17:50:28 <olivier> Chair: Alistair
17:50:32 <olivier> Scribe: Olivier
17:51:04 <olivier> Agenda+ Proposed use case: metronome
17:51:13 <olivier> Agenda+ ISSUE-4: setting sample rates for individual JavaScriptProcessingNodes
17:51:23 <olivier> Agenda+ Followup on UC-15, Video with multiple audio tracks
17:51:32 <olivier> Agenda+ Discuss/document Issue: Pausing a subgraph
17:51:44 <olivier> Agenda+ New WD of Web Audio API published
17:51:51 <olivier> rrsagent, make logs public
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17:55:19 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()2:00PM has now started
17:55:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:55:50 <Alistair> zakim, IPCaller is Alistair
17:55:50 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
17:56:00 <Zakim> +??P2
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17:56:17 <chrislowis> Zakim: ??P2 is me
17:56:59 <chrislowis> Zakim, P2 is chrislowis
17:56:59 <Zakim> sorry, chrislowis, I do not recognize a party named 'P2'
17:57:04 <chrislowis> Zakim, ??P2 is chrislowis
17:57:04 <Zakim> +chrislowis; got it
17:57:08 <Alistair> :)
17:57:15 <chrislowis> heh
17:57:24 <chrislowis> One day I'll learn! 
17:57:50 <Alistair> Olivier, you with us today?
17:58:28 <Zakim> +??P3
17:58:29 <olivier> yup, getting ready
17:59:10 <gcardoso> Zakim, +??P3 is really me
17:59:10 <Zakim> sorry, gcardoso, I do not recognize a party named '+??P3'
17:59:19 <gcardoso> Zakim, P3 is really me
17:59:19 <Zakim> sorry, gcardoso, I do not recognize a party named 'P3'
17:59:29 <olivier> zakim, ??P3 is gcardoso
17:59:29 <Zakim> +gcardoso; got it
17:59:44 <gcardoso> thanks
17:59:46 <Zakim> +??P4
17:59:55 <olivier> zakim, ??P4 is me
17:59:55 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
18:01:04 <olivier> agenda?
18:01:09 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
18:01:37 <Zakim> + +1.862.201.aaaa
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18:02:33 <chrislowis> olivier: want me to scribe? 
18:02:40 <Alistair> zakim, next agendum
18:02:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Proposed use case: metronome" taken up [from olivier]
18:02:45 <olivier> chrislowis: nah, that's ok for today
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18:02:54 <chrislowis> olivier: cool.
18:02:56 <cwilso> zakim, +1.862 is me
18:02:56 <Zakim> +cwilso; got it
18:02:59 <olivier> Alistair: there's been quite a lot of discussion on this on the list
18:03:17 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2012JanMar/0405.html
18:03:40 <Zakim> +??P12
18:04:02 <chrislowis> Zakim, ??P12 is tmichel 
18:04:02 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
18:05:29 <roc> passcode not working :-(
18:05:32 <olivier> Al: what Joe mentioned is that there would be a need to sync input and output in a frame-accurate manner
18:05:45 <olivier> Al: many ways to do beat detection
18:05:47 <tmichel> pass code is audio#
18:06:04 <olivier> Al: is "automatically analyse" may be too much?
18:06:23 <Zakim> +??P15
18:07:18 <olivier> Olivier: wrote the UC in terms of what could be done, not necessarily what the API could do 
18:07:35 <olivier> Thierry: looked at your proposal
18:07:40 <olivier> … I think it's good
18:08:00 <olivier> … not trying to add use cases if they are not useful, but I think this is a nice UC which anyone can understand
18:08:18 <olivier> … comes from a real use case from a discussion with my daughter
18:08:32 <olivier> … happy that we are merging with UC-13
18:08:35 <olivier> q?
18:08:37 <olivier> q+
18:09:02 <olivier> Al: agree it has appeal to musicians, not just audio professionals
18:09:06 <olivier> ack me
18:10:58 <olivier> Olivier: trying to keep the use cases doc short because I'd like us to document how our APIs will satisfy the use cases
18:11:01 <chrislowis> q+
18:11:24 <olivier> Doug: are we really working for performance musician?
18:12:02 <olivier> CLowis: with upcoming web-based operating systems, and likewise on smartphones, there are tons of such musician-focused applications
18:12:16 <olivier> … not browser as an instrument but as a platform to help musicians
18:13:18 <olivier> Olivier: agree with Chris - and I've also seen smartphones used as performance instruments
18:13:55 <Alistair> zakim, next agendum
18:13:55 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Alistair
18:14:00 <olivier> Olivier: if everyone happy with it I will add that text to UC-13
18:14:03 <chrislowis> q-
18:14:07 <Alistair> zakim, next agendum
18:14:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-4: setting sample rates for individual JavaScriptProcessingNodes" taken up [from olivier]
18:15:15 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2012JanMar/0393.html
18:16:00 <olivier> Olivier: is this related? (I can't quite understand it)
18:16:05 <olivier> Al: yes it is related
18:16:25 <olivier> … Grant has been making game emulators with sounds, very impressive
18:16:35 <olivier> … he's making interesting arguments about performance
18:17:05 <olivier> … the gist of what he is suggesting is that the Web Audio API does not provide him with the tools he needs for this application
18:17:16 <olivier> … might be good to get Grant on a call 
18:17:18 <Zakim> -Alistair
18:17:46 <olivier> Doug: could be good to get more info about what he needs
18:18:14 <olivier> … be clearer than the current e-mail
18:19:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:19:15 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is Alistair
18:19:15 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
18:20:18 <Alistair> zakim, next agendum
18:20:18 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Followup on UC-15, Video with multiple audio tracks" taken up [from olivier]
18:20:41 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements#UC-15:_Video_commentary
18:22:17 <Alistair> q+
18:23:01 <olivier> Olivier: do we need to explicitely add as a requirement the need to capture audio from a video stream?
18:23:10 <tmichel> I beleive UC 15 is a new UC introducing use of audio from a video. Not yet introduces in other UC
18:23:14 <olivier> Al: I thought we might have had it from the other use cases
18:23:40 <Alistair> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements#UC-12:_Soundtrack_and_sound_effects_in_a_video_editing_tool
18:23:50 <tmichel> I think we should keep this UC 15
18:24:10 <olivier> Al: already captured in UC 12?
18:24:24 <olivier> ROC: what is not captured in UC-12 is the need to stay in sync with the video
18:24:37 <tmichel> right.
18:24:40 <olivier> … and the ducking effect is interesting because it is very common
18:25:02 <olivier> Al: so do we want to merge this with UC-12 or have a different one
18:25:10 <olivier> q+
18:25:16 <olivier> ack Al
18:25:27 <olivier> ROC: would seem artificial to merge the two
18:26:35 <olivier> Olivier: I think it makes sense to add a requirement to add effects to the audio part of a video stream, and keep it in sync with the video playback
18:27:01 <olivier> … that requirement would match UC-15 and UC-1
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18:27:23 <olivier> ACTION: olivier to add new requirement to "add effects to the audio part of a video stream, and keep it in sync with the video playback"
18:27:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - Add new requirement to "add effects to the audio part of a video stream, and keep it in sync with the video playback" [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2012-03-26].
18:28:29 <Zakim> +CRogers
18:28:37 <olivier> Al: as an aside, have been contacting companies doing HTML5 gaming. One of them reviewed the specs - am in the process of encouraging them to send that feedback to the group
18:29:16 <olivier> q?
18:29:18 <olivier> ack me
18:29:39 <olivier> agenda?
18:30:02 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 5
18:30:02 <Zakim> agendum 5. "New WD of Web Audio API published" taken up [from olivier]
18:30:49 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/TR/webaudio/
18:30:57 <olivier> (re-published as WD)
18:31:16 <olivier> Thierry: we've complied with a rule which makes sure we update our spec to show progress
18:32:52 <olivier> Olivier: next big chunk of work on this spec will be to make sure we solve dependencies with other groups
18:33:12 <olivier> Thierry: we should contact at least the HTML group and WebRTC group to tell them about this new WD
18:33:13 <Zakim> -cwilso
18:34:29 <olivier> Olivier: volunteers to contact those groups?
18:34:55 <olivier> ACTION: Doug to contact HTML, WebRTC and webapps group, point to new WD of Web Audio API
18:34:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - Contact HTML, WebRTC and webapps group, point to new WD of Web Audio API [on Doug Schepers - due 2012-03-26].
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18:35:04 <olivier> q?
18:35:07 <Alistair> zakin, take up agendum 4
18:35:14 <Alistair> zakim, take up agendum 4
18:35:14 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Discuss/document Issue: Pausing a subgraph" taken up [from olivier]
18:36:38 <olivier> Olivier: would like to know if this is an issue or "just a conversation"
18:36:55 <olivier> CRogers: we discussed this a while ago
18:37:09 <olivier> … seems like Jussi said he was OK with it
18:37:34 <olivier> … would be good to make sure he's ok with it and move on
18:38:44 <olivier> Olivier: will ask Jussi and we can record the resolution
18:39:04 <olivier> zakim, close agendum
18:39:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum', olivier
18:39:10 <olivier> zakim, close this agendum
18:39:10 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
18:39:11 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:39:11 <Zakim> 3. Followup on UC-15, Video with multiple audio tracks [from olivier]
18:39:21 <olivier> zakim, closed agendum 3
18:39:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'closed agendum 3', olivier
18:39:37 <olivier> Topic: face-to-face meetings
18:39:44 <olivier> Thierry: TPAC in Lyon
18:39:59 <olivier> … we need to answer by April 30th whether we will meet there
18:40:24 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html
18:41:27 <olivier> Olivier: think it would be good to meet f2f
18:41:52 <olivier> … so question would be "how many times can we reasonably meet again f2f this year?"
18:41:57 <olivier> … and if so, when
18:42:11 <olivier> Thierry: would be good to meet when we are dealing with last call comments
18:42:22 <olivier> Al: would be happy to meet earlier than TPAC
18:42:28 <olivier> … US would be easier
18:42:54 <olivier> Doug: agree f2f is useful - also agree it is time consuming and expensive
18:43:02 <olivier> … would be happy to meet before TPAC
18:45:58 <olivier> Olivier: should we poll the group to see who could make it to TPAC
18:46:14 <olivier> ACTION: Olivier to start poll to see if group members could be at TPAC
18:46:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - Start poll to see if group members could be at TPAC [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2012-03-26].
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18:46:37 <Zakim> -??P15
18:46:40 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
18:46:42 <Zakim> -olivier
18:46:42 <Zakim> -CRogers
18:46:43 <Zakim> -Alistair
18:46:44 <Zakim> -tmichel
18:46:48 <Zakim> -gcardoso
18:46:49 <Zakim> -chrislowis
18:46:51 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()2:00PM has ended
18:46:51 <Zakim> Attendees were Alistair, chrislowis, gcardoso, olivier, Doug_Schepers, +1.862.201.aaaa, cwilso, tmichel, CRogers
18:46:53 <olivier> rrsagent, make minutes
18:46:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/19-audio-minutes.html olivier
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