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14:55:22 <kaz> zakim, this will be webtv
14:55:22 <Zakim> ok, kaz; I see UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:32 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:55:32 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
14:55:33 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has now started
14:55:34 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
14:56:41 <Zakim> +??P29
14:56:51 <kaz> zakim, ??P29 is Clarke
14:56:51 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
14:58:00 <Zakim> +Mark_Watson
14:59:03 <Kilroy> Kilroy has joined #webtv
14:59:36 <Zakim> + +1.415.839.aaaa
14:59:48 <Zakim> +??P41
14:59:52 <Juhani> Juhani has joined #webtv
15:00:26 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:00:27 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is kilroy
15:00:29 <Zakim> +kilroy; got it
15:00:43 <kaz> zakim, kilroy is aaaa
15:00:46 <Zakim> +aaaa; got it
15:00:48 <kaz> zakim, Microsoft is Kilroy
15:00:50 <Zakim> +Kilroy; got it
15:00:55 <kaz> zakim, ??P41 is Juhani
15:00:55 <Zakim> +Juhani; got it
15:01:06 <acolwell> acolwell has joined #webtv
15:01:21 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:01:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Clarke, Mark_Watson, aaaa, Juhani, Kilroy
15:01:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see acolwell, Juhani, Kilroy, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, Clarke, glenn, timeless, masao, trackbot
15:01:39 <Zakim> +??P49
15:01:49 <glenn> zakim, ??p49 is glenn
15:01:49 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
15:02:16 <Zakim> +acolwell
15:02:28 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:02:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Clarke, Mark_Watson, aaaa, Juhani, Kilroy, glenn, acolwell
15:02:28 <acolwell> yes. Just joined
15:02:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see acolwell, Juhani, Kilroy, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, Clarke, glenn, timeless, masao, trackbot
15:03:35 <Zakim> +David_Corvoysier
15:03:58 <kaz> zakim, drop aaaa
15:03:58 <Zakim> aaaa is being disconnected
15:03:59 <Zakim> -aaaa
15:04:38 <Clarke> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_15th_March_2012
15:04:56 <Zakim> +aaaa
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15:05:33 <Zakim> + +1.408.536.aabb
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15:06:34 <joesteele> yes -- just joined
15:06:49 <kaz> zakim, aabb is Joe_Steele
15:06:49 <Zakim> +Joe_Steele; got it
15:06:54 <Zakim> +??P66
15:07:18 <kaz> zakim, ??P66 is Bob_Lund
15:07:19 <Zakim> +Bob_Lund; got it
15:07:58 <kaz> scribe: Juhani
15:07:59 <Clarke> requirements dashboard: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF
15:08:02 <kaz> scribenick: Juhani
15:08:42 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is Iraj(?)
15:08:42 <Zakim> +Iraj(?); got it
15:08:49 <Juhani> Content protection Req #8 reworded: "Content protection must be useable with specific HTML5 features such as media elements (and features (such as timed tracks) within these elements)."  
15:09:08 <Zakim> +Jan_Lindquist
15:09:08 <Juhani> Agreed.
15:09:21 <kaz> i/Content protection/topic: Content protection/
15:09:40 <kaz> Present: Kazuyuki, Clarke, Mark_Watson, Juhani, Kilroy, glenn, acolwell, David_Corvoysier, Iraj(?), Joe_Steele, Bob_Lund, Jan_Lindquist
15:10:07 <Juhani> Kilroy: want to be compatible with media source element, new Req #13 ?
15:11:50 <Juhani> Req. #9. "Media element features that are available in an implementation must be available for encrypted content as well as unencrypted content."
15:12:08 <Juhani> Q??
15:12:29 <kaz> (question by Joe)
15:12:35 <Iraj> Iraj has joined #webtv
15:13:07 <Juhani> Clarke: Intention is that certain elements are not eliminated due to encryption ... like locating ... accessibility ...
15:13:13 <mark> mark has joined #webtv
15:14:08 <Juhani> Bob Lund: Two issues: what source of access to media stream, accessibility thorugh various A/V tracks
15:14:26 <kaz> s/Bob Lund:/Bob_Lund:/
15:14:50 <Juhani> Joe: Issue with the proposal ...  
15:15:28 <kaz> s/thorugh/through/
15:16:04 <Juhani> Bob: Enumerate text tracks .... sign, descriptive audio to be encrypted etc. ... to be detailed
15:16:30 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
15:16:40 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kilroy (19%), Joe_Steele (2%), acolwell (100%), Bob_Lund (11%)
15:16:56 <Juhani> ?: Text tracks out-of-band not covered by encryotion spec  .... 
15:17:10 <kaz> s/?:/Aaron:/
15:17:32 <kaz> s/encryotion/encryption/
15:18:20 <Juhani> mark W: Agree wiht the out-band statment by Aaron ...
15:18:31 <kaz> s/mark W:/markW:/
15:18:38 <kaz> s/wiht/with/
15:18:46 <Juhani> Mark W: Open what to do  with the issue
15:18:56 <kaz> s/statment/statement/
15:19:01 <kaz> s/mark W:/markW:/
15:19:10 <kaz> q?
15:19:11 <Clarke> q?
15:19:24 <Juhani> Bob: Describe / identify the traks in minimum  
15:19:38 <kaz> s/traks/tracks/
15:19:47 <Juhani> Kilroy: Encryption in two levels ....
15:20:43 <Juhani> out-of-band for the Kilroy part ....
15:21:25 <Juhani> Mark W: clear key not specified yet where to apply to whihc extent
15:21:38 <kaz> s/mark W:/markW:/
15:21:44 <kaz> s/whihc/which/
15:22:26 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
15:22:27 <Juhani> Clarke: Reqs for out-of-band ... ? 
15:22:38 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kilroy (35%), Clarke (5%), Joe_Steele (66%)
15:23:19 <Juhani> ?: Limit acceptance of the solution if out-of-band not taken into account ... like Caption data
15:23:26 <kaz> s/?:/joe:/
15:23:31 <Juhani> ?: Enough of value to protect
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15:23:35 <kaz> s/?:/joe:/
15:24:07 <Juhani> Joe ?: Support some of it encrypted
15:24:30 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
15:24:40 <Juhani> ?: ...
15:24:41 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joe_Steele (19%), acolwell (9%), Bob_Lund (52%)
15:25:34 <Juhani> Bob: Strt and end of trakcs not ot encrypt for browsrs to make any use of the tracks (captions)
15:26:13 <Juhani> clarke: discussion to continue, people responses asked for 
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15:26:33 <kaz> action: Clarke to work with Bob and modify the text om content protection requirement under consideration #9 based on today's discussion
15:26:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Work with Bob and modify the text om content protection requirement under consideration #9 based on today's discussion [on Clarke Stevens - due 2012-03-22].
15:26:56 <Juhani> #10.The particular content protection method required to use the content must be identifiable. ---> Change to methods 
15:29:03 <kaz> Kilroy: would propose adding identifiable priority to downloading
15:29:11 <Juhani> Kilroy: Add: ... prior to downloading the media 
15:29:13 <Zakim> -Jan_Lindquist
15:29:39 <Juhani> ... metadata before the media 
15:29:59 <Juhani> Mark W: Supported in the proposal 
15:30:11 <kaz> s/Mark W:/MarkW:/
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15:31:00 <kaz> s/not ot/not to/
15:31:00 <Juhani> MIME type is not completely descripttive .... answer of support is 'probably', not strong 'YES' 
15:31:10 <kaz> s/MIME/... MIME/
15:31:27 <Juhani> Joe: Link to MIME type extnesions ?
15:31:29 <Clarke> q?
15:31:41 <Juhani> Will be provided by Mark
15:32:14 <Juhani> #11.Any parameters required for use of the content protection method must be identified and specifiable.
15:32:18 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
15:32:30 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kilroy (10%), Mark_Watson (86%), Juhani (5%), glenn (4%)
15:32:39 <Juhani> Mark W: Paramters in the content file itself
15:32:46 <kaz> s/Mark W:/MarkW:/
15:33:39 <Juhani> ...: scripts independent of protection systems in the proposal  
15:33:51 <Juhani> ...  core idea there  
15:34:15 <Juhani> Mark W: What paramters to pass .. please provide examples 
15:34:23 <glenn> zakim, mute glenn
15:34:23 <Zakim> glenn should now be muted
15:34:34 <kaz> s/...:/.../
15:34:46 <kaz> s/Mark W:/MarkW:/
15:34:53 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
15:34:59 <Juhani> ....: CP specific parmaters as a requirement may be more difficult ...
15:35:04 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Juhani (33%), Bob_Lund (5%)
15:35:40 <kaz> s/....:/.../
15:35:58 <Juhani> Joe ?: Enforcement in CDM ... general purpose applications not able to use ... ?
15:36:07 <kaz> s/Joe ?:/Joe:/
15:36:11 <glenn> zakim, mute juhani
15:36:11 <Zakim> Juhani should now be muted
15:36:53 <Juhani> Clarke: Proposal does not violate the req ... but is the req useful ? 
15:37:13 <Juhani> Req. #11 to be  deleted
15:37:39 <Juhani> #12.Specific errors relevant to content protections must be identified and reportable. 
15:38:28 <Juhani> Req. #12 is according to our previous detailed error requirements
15:39:03 <joesteele> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/HTML_Error_codes
15:39:51 <joesteele> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html#error-codes
15:40:22 <Juhani> Is it ?
15:41:54 <Juhani> Mark W: Earlier errors more on network etc. errors ... still to be addressed in LC
15:42:20 <kaz> s/Mark W:/MarkW:/
15:42:28 <Juhani> Clarke: #12 to satisfy CP proposal ... ? ---> OK
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15:43:00 <Juhani> #13.The content protection method must be compatible with the (new) media source element as described in the adaptive bit rate proposal. 
15:43:38 <Juhani> Aaron: Compatibility should not require implementation mandatory, otherwise OK 
15:43:57 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
15:44:08 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
15:44:12 <Clarke> new ABR proposal: http://html5-mediasource-api.googlecode.com/svn/tags/0.4/draft-spec/mediasource-draft-spec.html
15:44:16 <Juhani> Adaptive Streaming - revised proposal ...  
15:44:29 <Juhani> Aaron: Source ID added ... 
15:45:27 <Juhani> ...: allows two sepeate streams 
15:45:46 <kaz> s/...:/.../
15:46:04 <Juhani> ...: enables swithcing lang, different decoders, ... 
15:46:16 <Juhani> SOurce ID main API change
15:46:22 <kaz> s/...:/.../
15:46:43 <joesteele> s/sepeate/separate/
15:46:46 <Juhani> ...: overlapping regions, rules, ... clarifications 
15:46:48 <kaz> s/SOurce/... Source/
15:47:14 <kaz> s/...:/.../
15:47:15 <Juhani> ...: for compatibility reasons ... to nail down details 
15:47:20 <kaz> s/...:/.../
15:47:35 <Juhani> ....: Pipesteram format ?
15:47:41 <kaz> s/...:/.../
15:48:09 <Clarke> bytestream?
15:48:10 <Juhani> ...: WebM and ISO file formats ... examples of usage 
15:48:43 <kaz> s/Pipesteram/Byte stream/
15:48:47 <kaz> s/...:/.../
15:49:20 <Juhani> Aaron: How to limit the ...
15:49:36 <Juhani> How much data buffered by browser
15:49:58 <Juhani> waht tpyes of splices 
15:50:17 <Juhani> sample rate cahgnes 
15:50:34 <Juhani> Appending byte ranges ...
15:51:56 <Juhani> Clarke: Comments to authors ?
15:52:10 <Juhani> Joe: Issues identified ? 
15:52:17 <Juhani> In section 8
15:52:43 <kaz> -> http://html5-mediasource-api.googlecode.com/svn/tags/0.4/draft-spec/mediasource-draft-spec.html#open-issues Open Issues
15:53:49 <Juhani> Clarke: Administrative issue ... next week not chaired by Clarke 
15:54:17 <Juhani> Joe: Progress in the new TF ? If no, then can skip next week telco 
15:54:46 <Juhani> Clarke: Proceeding well, rules under creation, to become memebr of HTML WG to contirbute
15:54:56 <kaz> zakim, unmute me
15:54:56 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should no longer be muted
15:55:15 <kaz> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0450.html HTML WG discussion
15:55:17 <Juhani> Mark W: Call for Consensus coming 
15:55:31 <kaz> s/Mark W:/MarkW:/
15:55:46 <Juhani> ...: timing open 
15:56:33 <Juhani> Kaz: join HTML WG to participate ... name Encrypted Media TF
15:56:58 <Juhani> ... not much an issue as TF only to create
15:57:42 <Juhani> Clarke: Content protection is the first priority ... reqs to be ready ... next telco after two weeks ?
15:57:44 <Juhani> Agreed
15:58:08 <kaz> s/...:/.../
15:58:36 <kaz> -> http://html5-mediasource-api.googlecode.com/svn/tags/0.4/draft-spec/mediasource-draft-spec.html#introduction Section 1 Introduction
15:58:40 <Zakim> -David_Corvoysier
15:58:42 <Zakim> -Iraj(?)
15:58:42 <Juhani> Kilroy: Flow diagram sect. 1 in , CDM diagram in Protection proposal ...how to look as one 
15:58:43 <Zakim> -Joe_Steele
15:58:46 <Zakim> -acolwell
15:58:48 <Zakim> -Mark_Watson
15:58:50 <Zakim> -Kilroy
15:58:50 <Zakim> -Clarke
15:58:52 <Iraj> Iraj has left #webtv
15:58:53 <Zakim> -glenn
15:59:00 <Zakim> -Bob_Lund
15:59:03 <Zakim> -Juhani
15:59:33 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
15:59:34 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended
15:59:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, Clarke, Mark_Watson, +1.415.839.aaaa, Kilroy, Juhani, glenn, acolwell, David_Corvoysier, +1.408.536.aabb, Joe_Steele, Bob_Lund, Iraj(?), Jan_Lindquist
16:00:14 <Clarke> Clarke has left #webtv
16:01:24 <kaz> -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html#introduction Section 1 of "Encrypted Media Extensions" proposal
16:01:29 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
16:01:37 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:01:37 <Zakim> apparently UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended, kaz
16:01:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see mark, BobLund, joesteele, David_Corvoysier, Juhani, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, glenn, timeless, masao, trackbot
16:01:53 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
16:01:59 <kaz> rrsagent, make draft minutes
16:01:59 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft minutes', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:02:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:02:38 <kaz> Meeting: Media Pipeline Task Force
16:02:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:02:50 <kaz> Chair: Clarke
16:02:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:03:26 <kaz> s/Mark W:/MarkW:/g
16:03:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:04:14 <kaz> rrsagent, stop