IRC log of ua on 2012-03-15

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Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 15 March 2012
16:58:16 [kford]
Agenda+ document closure - Continuing to close down items marked with @@ in editor's draft - http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2012/ED-UAAG20-20120313/
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Agenda+ Action Item review
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-ua-minutes.html kford
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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
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+[Microsoft]
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+Jeanne
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-[Microsoft]
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+[Microsoft]
17:02:18 [kford]
zakim, microsoft is kford
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+kford; got it
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+Greg_Lowney
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+Kim_Patch
17:11:59 [jeanne]
zakim, who is making noise?
17:12:09 [Zakim]
jeanne, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Greg_Lowney (40%), Kim_Patch (29%)
17:20:35 [jeanne]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/468
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Topic: 3.1.2
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/468
17:30:49 [Greg]
It's not the most clearly worded of SC. Not clear how "priority properties defined by the author or user agent" is or relates to the Intent or Examples. Could fix SC or fix IER to better explain it.
17:31:23 [Greg]
Current wording:
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3.1.2 Option to Ignore: The user can turn off rendering of non-essential or low priority text messages or updating/changing information in the content based on priority properties defined by the author or the user agent. (Level AA)
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-kford
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-Greg_Lowney
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We are phoning back in two minutes.
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, microsoft is kford
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+kford; got it
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+Greg_Lowney
18:02:07 [Greg]
Proposed rewrite to 3.1.2:
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3.1.2 Reduce Interruptions: The user can turn off recognized non-essential or low priority messages and updating/changing information in the user agent user interface and rendered content.
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Intent of Success Criterion 3.1.2 :
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Messages designed to inform the user can be a burden to users for whom keypress is time-consuming, tiring, or painful. It's important that these users be able to avoid unnecessary messages. Similarly, users with some cognitive impairments find it difficult to deal with constant distractions caused by updating visual or audio information, and would prefer to hide unnecessary updates.
18:02:14 [Greg]
Examples of Success Criterion 3.1.2 :
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•The browser has an update ready. The user should have the option to be informed of an update or, instead, only get update information when the user actively requests it.
18:02:17 [Greg]
•A web page has a stock market ticker that is marked as having a low priority level using the WAI-ARIA aria-live:polite value. Shirley has a cognitive disability and is distracted by the page flicker, so she changes the browser’s preference setting to indicate that regions with low priority level should not be automatically updated.
18:03:57 [sharper]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sharper
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+??P5
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zakim, ??P5 is sharper
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+sharper; got it
18:05:54 [Greg]
Once again, here's the proposed rewrite:
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3.1.2 Reduce Interruptions: The user can turn off recognized non-essential or low priority messages and updating/changing information in the user agent user interface and rendered content.
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Intent of Success Criterion 3.1.2 :
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Messages designed to inform the user can be a burden to users for whom keypress is time-consuming, tiring, or painful. It's important that these users be able to avoid unnecessary messages. Similarly, users with some cognitive impairments find it difficult to deal with constant distractions caused by updating visual or audio information, and would prefer to hide unnecessary updates.
18:06:00 [Greg]
Examples of Success Criterion 3.1.2 :
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•The browser has an update ready. The user should have the option to be informed of an update or, instead, only get update information when the user actively requests it.
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+ +1.609.734.aaaa
18:06:04 [Greg]
•A web page has a stock market ticker that is marked as having a low priority level using the WAI-ARIA aria-live:polite value. Shirley has a cognitive disability and is distracted by the page flicker, so she changes the browser’s preference setting to indicate that regions with low priority level should not be automatically updated.
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18:07:43 [Greg]
Revised Intent per Jeanne:
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It's important that users be able to avoid unnecessary messages. Messages designed to inform the user can be a burden to users for whom keypress is time-consuming, tiring, or painful. Similarly, users with some cognitive impairments find it difficult to deal with constant distractions caused by updating visual or audio information, and would prefer to hide unnecessary updates.
18:09:29 [mth]
should it be
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'keypress" or "keypresses are"?
18:10:45 [Greg]
"pressing keys"
18:17:30 [Greg]
An improvement per Mark:
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3.1.2 Reduce Interruptions: The user can avoid or defer recognized non-essential or low priority messages and updating/changing information in the user agent user interface and rendered content.
18:19:47 [Greg]
A new example:
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Shirley has turned off automatic display of low priority notifications, but she can call up a list of previous notifications to see if she wants to actually deal with any of them.
18:20:47 [KimPatch]
Shirley has turned off automatic display of low priority notifications, but she can call up a list of previous notifications if she wants to review any of them.
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Shirley has turned off automatic display of low priority notifications, but she can call up a list of previous notifications if she wants to review
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them.
18:23:12 [KimPatch]
3.2.2 Back Button: The user can return to a previous state or view using a navigational back button or its equivalent.
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Intent of success criterion 3.2.2
18:23:15 [KimPatch]
This type of backtracking is important for users whose means of input is not 100% accurate, such as speech input users, to be able to go back to a previous state or view and have a second try. It's also important for users with cognitive issues that involve memory and confusion.
18:23:16 [KimPatch]
Examples of Success Criterion 3.2.2
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Joe is using speech input in a relatively noisy room. The program hears an especially loud word from across the room and interprets it as Joe saying "Enter" to click a selected link. Joe says "Go Back" to go back to the page key was on.
18:23:19 [KimPatch]
Mike's head injury leaves him easily distracted. He is in the middle of a search when the phone rings. When he comes back he says "Go Back" to reorient himself.
18:24:27 [jeanne]
topic: 3.2.2
18:29:33 [Greg]
Could add to the end of the Intent paragraph, "This is also beneficial for users for whom navigation is time consuming, tiring, or painful, as it allows them to avoid having to re-enter long URLs or form input."
18:29:50 [jeanne]
Intent: Being able to retrace a navigation step is important for users with cognitive issues that involve memory and confusion, as well as users whose means of input is not 100% accurate, such as speech input users or users with fine motor challenges. This is also beneficial for users for whom navigation is time consuming, tiring, or painful, as it allows them to avoid having to re-enter long URLs
18:29:50 [jeanne]
or form input.
18:29:51 [mth]
It's also beneficial for users with cognitive issues, such as memory impairments, by providing a means for reviewing the steps need to reach a specific page or result.
18:30:50 [kford]
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Present: Greg, Jeanne, Kim, Simon, Mark, Kelly
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Regrets: Jim, Wayne, Jan
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18:32:37 [KimPatch]
Being able to retrace a navigation step is important for users with cognitive issues that involve memory and confusion. It's also important for users whose means of input is not 100% accurate, such as speech input users or users with fine motor challenges. and it's also beneficial for users for whom navigation is time consuming, tiring, or painful, because it allows them to avoid having to...
18:32:39 [KimPatch]
...re-enter long URLs
18:33:02 [Greg]
Re the Mike example, it's not clear to me why being interrupted by a phone call would make him have to use the back button.
18:34:47 [KimPatch]
Mike's head injury leaves him easily distracted. He is in the middle of a search when the phone rings. When he comes back he says "Go Back" to go back to the original search page so he can reorient himself.
18:35:52 [KimPatch]
Being able to retrace a navigation step is important for users with cognitive issues that involve memory and attention. It's also important for users whose means of input is not 100% accurate, such as speech input users or users with fine motor challenges. and it's also beneficial for users for whom navigation is time consuming, tiring, or painful, because it allows them to avoid having to...
18:35:53 [KimPatch]
...re-enter long URLs.
18:39:38 [Greg]
Discussion of whether a list of previous documents counts, and it probably does.
18:44:28 [jeanne]
RESOLUTION: Add SC 3.2.2 as a level A
18:45:03 [Greg]
We discussed the fact that some media players don't implement the back button, but most do implement a list of previous media if they're not completely driven by their host application.
18:46:34 [jeanne]
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-ua-minutes.html jeanne
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-kford
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- +1.609.734.aaaa
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-Kim_Patch
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-Jeanne
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-sharper
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-Greg_Lowney
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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Jeanne, kford, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, sharper, +1.609.734.aaaa
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/15-ua-minutes.html jeanne
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