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13:44:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:44:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
13:44:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:44:39 <trackbot> Date: 14 March 2012
13:45:43 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Mar/0081.html
13:47:04 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:47:19 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:51:19 <fjh> Regrets+ Claes_Nilsson, Travis_Leithead, Sylvain_lalande, Anssi Kostiainen
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13:56:29 <dtran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
13:57:15 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:57:16 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
13:58:14 <Josh_Soref> Scribe: Josh_Soref 
13:58:45 <Zakim> +??P5
13:58:47 <Zakim> -??P5
13:58:47 <Zakim> +??P5
13:58:57 <bryan> bryan has joined #dap
13:58:58 <fjh> zakim, ??P5 is me
13:58:58 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:58:59 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, ??P5 is fjh
13:58:59 <Zakim> I already had ??P5 as fjh, Josh_Soref
13:59:13 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:59:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref, fjh
13:59:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see bryan, dtran, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, glenn, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, richt, lgombos, trackbot, ilkka, mounir, rektide, hiroto_away, dom
13:59:16 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
13:59:16 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:00:05 <Zakim> +dtran
14:00:18 <Zakim> +??P7
14:00:27 <richt> zakim, ??P7 is me
14:00:27 <Zakim> +richt; got it
14:00:34 <Zakim> +Bryan_Sullivan
14:00:36 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
14:00:56 <Zakim> +??P10
14:00:57 <bryan> present+ Bryan_Sullivan
14:01:05 <darobin> Zakim, ??P10 is me
14:01:05 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
14:01:10 <Zakim> + +49.173.537.aaaa
14:01:16 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise
14:01:18 <dcheng3> Present+ Diana_Cheng
14:01:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', Josh_Soref
14:01:22 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:01:27 <dcheng3> zakim, aaaa is dcheng3
14:01:28 <Zakim> +dcheng3; got it
14:01:33 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:01:54 <Zakim> -Bryan_Sullivan
14:03:26 <dom> Zakim, code?
14:03:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), dom
14:04:09 <Zakim> +??P16
14:04:12 <dom> Zakim, ??P16 is me
14:04:12 <Zakim> +dom; got it
14:04:15 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:04:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/14-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:04:32 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make minutes public
14:04:32 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', Josh_Soref.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:04:36 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:04:39 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:04:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), fjh, dtran (muted), richt, darobin (muted), dcheng3, dom
14:04:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see bryan, dtran, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, glenn, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, richt, lgombos, trackbot, ilkka, mounir, rektide, hiroto_away, dom
14:04:47 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Agenda
14:04:52 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we have a bunch of new members
14:04:55 <Josh_Soref> ... i sent welcome messages
14:05:02 <Josh_Soref> ... we got one reply on list, and some off list
14:05:10 <Josh_Soref> ... we'll have some introductions at the F2F
14:05:24 <Josh_Soref> ... if anyone won't be at the F2F and wants to introduce themselves now, they can
14:05:37 <Josh_Soref> ... my apologies, for the delay in welcomes to some
14:05:49 <Cathy> Cathy has joined #dap
14:05:49 <fjh> volunteers for FileAPI review? (Last Call , http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/
14:06:02 <Josh_Soref> fjh: If there's anyone who can review the file api
14:06:07 <Josh_Soref> ... that would be helpful to webapps
14:06:16 <Josh_Soref> darobin: i'd expect implementers to want to review this
14:06:19 <Josh_Soref> ... if they haven't already
14:06:27 <Josh_Soref> q+ to note that i'm going to try to review this week...
14:06:36 <fjh> ack Josh_Soref
14:06:38 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, you wanted to note that i'm going to try to review this week...
14:06:42 <Josh_Soref> fjh: darobin: why don't you send a message to the list?
14:07:07 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: I'll try to review it this week
14:07:28 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Minutes Approva
14:07:29 <fjh> Approve minutes from 7 March  2012
14:07:29 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Mar/att-0039/minutes-2012-03-07.html
14:07:33 <Josh_Soref> s/Approva/Approval/
14:07:58 <Josh_Soref> Approve minutes from 7 March  2012
14:08:03 <Josh_Soref> s/Approve minutes from 7 March  2012//
14:08:06 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 7 March  2012
14:08:13 <Josh_Soref> Topic: F2F
14:08:28 <Josh_Soref> fjh: The host sent out a plea for people to confirm their status
14:08:30 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:08:30 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:08:40 <fjh> ** Registration necessary so hosts can prepare, even if from China  ** : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Mar/0064.html
14:08:49 <Josh_Soref> ... they sent out a spreadsheet to attendees
14:08:50 <Zakim> +Cathy
14:08:51 <fjh> Updated draft agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_20-22_March_2012,_Shenzhen,_China
14:09:01 <Josh_Soref> ... if you didn't get it or your items are wrong, please get them corrected
14:09:02 <fjh> NFC wiki, http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/Near_field_communications_(NFC) - thanks dsr
14:09:12 <fjh> ACTION-505?
14:09:12 <trackbot> ACTION-505 -- Robin Berjon to check on attendees for Web Intents -- due 2012-02-22 -- OPEN
14:09:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/505
14:09:18 <Josh_Soref> fjh: darobin, i don't know what to do with that action
14:09:23 <Josh_Soref> ... did you get a chance to talk to them?
14:09:28 <darobin> ACTION-505?
14:09:28 <trackbot> ACTION-505 -- Robin Berjon to check on attendees for Web Intents -- due 2012-02-22 -- OPEN
14:09:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/505
14:09:40 <Josh_Soref> darobin: i believe i did that a couple of weeks ago
14:09:44 <fjh> ACTION-505 closed
14:09:44 <trackbot> ACTION-505 Check on attendees for Web Intents closed
14:09:45 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't believe i heard anything back
14:09:49 <Josh_Soref> ... maybe there was a problem?
14:10:00 <Josh_Soref> fjh: I think we have enough people registered
14:10:13 <Josh_Soref> ... it sounds like there were some surprises re: Video links
14:10:18 <Josh_Soref> darobin: we won't have a video link
14:10:21 <Josh_Soref> ... we will have a phone link
14:10:32 <fjh> Daylight savings time inconsistency during F2F  - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Feb/0077.html
14:10:35 <Josh_Soref> ... as far as i understand, the WebIntents people who want to attend are in the spreadsheet
14:10:54 <Josh_Soref> fjh: If you're planning to call in, please be aware of Daylight Saving Time confusion for the week
14:11:04 <Josh_Soref> darobin: one good thing is that China only has one time zone
14:11:14 <Josh_Soref> fjh: hopefully everyone who is going has their visas in place
14:11:30 <Josh_Soref> darobin: for the last day, the hosts were planning to organize a visit to the Huawei facilities around 4pm
14:11:41 <Josh_Soref> ... from what i've been told, it's really huge and quite interesting
14:11:52 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i think they need an idea of how much interest there is
14:11:55 <Josh_Soref> q+ to note that i'm interested
14:12:07 <fjh> ack Josh_Soref
14:12:08 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, you wanted to note that i'm interested
14:12:16 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: I'm interested in it
14:12:20 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:12:20 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:12:39 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Sensor API and DeviceOrientation
14:12:44 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Mar/0043.html (Dzung Tran)
14:12:44 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Mar/0053.html
14:12:47 <Josh_Soref> fjh: there's been a lot of discussion on the list
14:12:50 <Josh_Soref> ... i think it's still ongoing
14:12:58 <Josh_Soref> ... i'm behind on my reading
14:13:04 <glenn> +Present glenn (irc only)
14:13:05 <Josh_Soref> ... if someone is current and can summarize
14:13:23 <Josh_Soref> dtran: i checked in edits for the latest round of comments on the spec
14:13:41 <Josh_Soref> ... there's some concerns about DeviceOrientation relating to the GeoLocation WG API
14:13:53 <Josh_Soref> ... so either we feed that information back to the GeoLocation WG
14:13:58 <Josh_Soref> ... or we leave it in our API
14:14:16 <Josh_Soref> ... I think there's some comment on getting the requirement to the GeoLocation WG
14:14:27 <Josh_Soref> fjh: you did the edits of all the agreeable stuff
14:14:32 <Josh_Soref> ... you removed the duplicated bits
14:14:46 <Josh_Soref> ... and the list has requirements which could/should be shared to the GeoLocation WG
14:14:52 <Josh_Soref> ... but that hasn't been done yet
14:14:56 <Josh_Soref> dtran: right
14:15:00 <Josh_Soref> fjh: who has an action to do that?
14:15:05 <Josh_Soref> dtran: either bryan or myself
14:15:10 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:15:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), fjh, dtran, richt, darobin (muted), dcheng3, dom, Cathy
14:15:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cathy, bryan, dtran, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, glenn, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, richt, lgombos, trackbot, ilkka, mounir, rektide, hiroto_away, dom
14:15:13 <Josh_Soref> fjh: there must have been an action
14:15:28 <fjh> note - check who has action to contact geolocation, bryan or dzung tran
14:15:29 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'll make a note to look into that
14:15:48 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Network API update
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14:15:55 <Josh_Soref> fjh: that was something we didn't talk about last time
14:16:00 <fjh> WebKit, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Feb/0064.html (Gyuyoung Kim)
14:16:01 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Feb/0076.html (Mounir)
14:16:01 <fjh> Actions: ACTION-411?, ACTION-474?,  ACTION-476?
14:16:01 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't think we had the right people on the call
14:16:11 <Josh_Soref> ... for those not on that call
14:16:15 <fjh> ACTION-411?
14:16:15 <trackbot> ACTION-411 -- Robin Berjon to reply to Jo about NetInfo -- due 2011-06-15 -- OPEN
14:16:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/411
14:16:21 <Josh_Soref> ... there's stuff going into webkit
14:16:22 <fjh> ACTION-474?
14:16:22 <trackbot> ACTION-474 -- Adrian Bateman to make a proposal for Network Information API -- due 2011-11-11 -- OPEN
14:16:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/474
14:16:29 <darobin> close ACTION-411
14:16:30 <trackbot> ACTION-411 Reply to Jo about NetInfo closed
14:16:31 <Josh_Soref> ... darobin: some of these actions are ancient
14:16:32 <fjh> ACTION-476?
14:16:32 <trackbot> ACTION-476 -- Robin Berjon to aCTION sicking to propose a new Network Info -- due 2011-11-11 -- OPEN
14:16:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/476
14:16:34 <Josh_Soref> ... i closed out some of them
14:16:43 <Josh_Soref> ... darobin : you had two here that i think can be closed
14:16:49 <darobin> close ACTION-476
14:16:49 <trackbot> ACTION-476 ACTION sicking to propose a new Network Info closed
14:16:49 <Josh_Soref> darobin: right, ACTION-411 can be closed
14:16:54 <Josh_Soref> ... it's overtaken by events
14:17:10 <Josh_Soref> fjh: there's one to Adrian
14:17:17 <Josh_Soref> darobin: i think we should leave that open
14:17:35 <Josh_Soref> ... when we gave him the action, he had specific feedback from developers on microsoft's platform
14:17:42 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:17:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), fjh, dtran (muted), richt, darobin, dcheng3, dom, Cathy
14:17:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see SungOk_You, Cathy, bryan, dtran, dcheng3, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, glenn, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, richt, lgombos, trackbot, ilkka, mounir, rektide, hiroto_away,
14:17:45 <Zakim> ... dom
14:17:49 <Josh_Soref> q+ to ask if my action was closed?
14:18:08 <Josh_Soref> darobin: i think the action on adrian was really on travis, who wasn't targetable
14:18:10 <SungOk_You> SungOk_You+
14:18:19 <Josh_Soref> s/SungOk_You+//
14:18:22 <Josh_Soref> Present+ SungOk_You
14:18:27 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Battery, Vibration CR
14:18:31 <fjh> All LC issues formally closed.
14:18:31 <fjh> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-battery-status-20111129/doc/
14:18:32 <fjh> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-vibration-20120202/doc/
14:18:42 <Josh_Soref> darobin: XXX
14:18:48 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Network Service Discovery
14:18:52 <Zakim> +??P19
14:18:54 <Josh_Soref> fjh: there was an email about advertising
14:19:01 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Mar/0052.html
14:19:02 <glenn> zakim, ??p19 is me
14:19:02 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
14:19:20 <Josh_Soref> s/XXX/I'll look into scheduling the transition call for CR/
14:19:41 <Josh_Soref> fjh: I don't think we have people on the call who can talk about that
14:19:44 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Other API discussion
14:19:46 <darobin> s/XXX/I'll sort it out with Dave offline/
14:19:57 <Josh_Soref> s/call/call with dsr/
14:20:04 <Josh_Soref> fjh: richt, I don't know what you've been doing
14:20:14 <Josh_Soref> richt: we have some stuff but it isn't formally submitted
14:20:20 <Josh_Soref> ... we've been hijacking the mailing list
14:20:33 <Josh_Soref> ... i'd like to have other browsers on board before proposing it
14:20:41 <Josh_Soref> fjh: so we'll just let the discussion go
14:20:44 <Josh_Soref> richt: I think so
14:20:50 <Josh_Soref> ... it's a hacking mentality right now
14:21:01 <Josh_Soref> ... and we'll see if we get interest from other vendors
14:21:07 <Josh_Soref> fjh: did you have anything else to discuss?
14:21:08 <Josh_Soref> q?
14:21:11 <Josh_Soref> darobin: no
14:21:14 <Josh_Soref> ack me
14:21:15 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, you wanted to ask if my action was closed?
14:21:18 <fjh> ack Josh_Soref
14:22:21 <fjh> ACTION-475 closed
14:22:21 <trackbot> ACTION-475 Propose a new Network Info closed
14:22:24 <Josh_Soref> i/Battery, Vibration/Josh_Soref: fjh, don't forget to close my action/
14:22:26 <Zakim> -glenn
14:22:31 <Josh_Soref> [ Adjourned ]
14:22:36 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
14:22:36 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:22:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Josh_Soref, fjh, dtran, richt, Bryan_Sullivan, darobin, +49.173.537.aaaa, dcheng3, dom, Cathy, glenn
14:22:44 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:22:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/14-dap-minutes.html trackbot
14:22:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:22:45 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/14-dap-actions.rdf :
14:22:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: s to ACTION-411?, ACTION-474?,  ACTION-476? [1]
14:22:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/14-dap-irc#T14-16-01-1