IRC log of HCLS on 2012-03-13

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14:57:51 [michel]: zakim, this is hcls
14:57:51 [Zakim]: ok, michel; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
14:58:13 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
14:58:17 [Zakim]: -egombocz
14:58:19 [Zakim]: +egombocz
14:58:26 [michel]: Chair: michel
14:58:37 [Zakim]: +??P4
14:58:44 [michel]: Meeting: W3C HCLS – Life Sciences Forum
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14:59:19 [alex]: hi Michel, I am on the call
14:59:26 [Zakim]: +Joseph_Scheuhammer
14:59:30 [alex]: not sure u can hear me
14:59:46 [michel]: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6355381/prezie/bio2rdf-rdf-viz-and-manipulation-initial.pdf
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15:01:13 [emiller]: Eric from Squishymedia (Portland OR) here
15:01:21 [Zakim]: + +1.412.802.aaaa
15:01:24 [michel]: zakim, who is here?
15:01:24 [Zakim]: On the phone I see egombocz, [IPcaller], ??P4, [IPcaller.a], Joseph_Scheuhammer, +1.412.802.aaaa
15:01:26 [Zakim]: On IRC I see AndreaS, emiller, RRSAgent, Zakim, egombocz, michel, alex, MacTed, achille_z, jVillaveces, matthias_samwald1, egonw__, ericP
15:02:05 [Zakim]: +ericP
15:02:10 [ericP]: Zakim, who is here?
15:02:10 [Zakim]: On the phone I see egombocz, [IPcaller], ??P4, [IPcaller.a], Joseph_Scheuhammer, +1.412.802.aaaa, ericP
15:02:12 [Zakim]: On IRC I see AndreaS, emiller, RRSAgent, Zakim, egombocz, michel, alex, MacTed, achille_z, jVillaveces, matthias_samwald1, egonw__, ericP
15:02:27 [michel]: Harry, UofPittsburg - biomedical informatics, want to learn more about the group
15:02:34 [AndreaS]: Hi,
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15:02:38 [Zakim]: + +1.215.239.aabb
15:02:42 [michel]: Mary, U of Georgia - ontology for health care
15:02:58 [michel]: zakim, +1.215.239.aabb is iker
15:02:58 [Zakim]: +iker; got it
15:03:06 [egombocz]: apologies to all - I will have to leave early today due to an overlapping meeting I need to attend
15:03:06 [alex]: h Iker
15:03:14 [alex]: its been some time
15:03:15 [AndreaS]: Somebody should change the UK access point number!!! There is somebody answering pretending to be "my partner in evolution and success..."
15:03:17 [iker]: Hi Alex, how are you?
15:03:17 [alex]: nice to see u
15:03:19 [michel]: zakim, +1.412.802.aaaa is harry
15:03:19 [Zakim]: +harry; got it
15:03:21 [alex]: fine
15:03:25 [iker]: nice to see you too Alex
15:03:26 [alex]: fine/
15:03:33 [alex]: are u in the US?
15:03:41 [iker]: yes I'm in Philly
15:03:46 [iker]: what about you?
15:03:54 [alex]: great, we should try to catch up later this year
15:03:57 [Zakim]: +charlie
15:04:05 [iker]: good
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15:04:37 [iker]: feel free to ping me whenever fits for you
15:04:41 [Zakim]: + +44.754.501.aacc
15:04:55 [michel]: zakim, +44.754.501.aacc is andrea
15:04:55 [Zakim]: +andrea; got it
15:06:21 [michel]: michel dumontier - michel.dumontier@gmail.com
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15:06:37 [michel]: http://goo.gl/d19xK
15:06:38 [emiller]: thanks, I'll follow up with an email later this AM
15:06:59 [Zakim]: +Joseph_Scheuhammer.a
15:07:01 [Zakim]: + +1.832.386.aadd
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15:07:21 [michel]: presentation: http://goo.gl/d19xK
15:08:15 [Zakim]: +??P7
15:08:22 [ericP]: ericP has changed the topic to: visualizing
15:08:22 [ericP]: and
15:08:22 [ericP]: manipula(ng
15:08:22 [ericP]: RDF
15:09:01 [ericP]: ericP has changed the topic to: visualizing and manipulating RDF <data http://goo.gl/d19xK>
15:09:13 [ericP]: michel: we all have to work with RDF data
15:09:31 [ericP]: ... alex is going to walk us through tools
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15:11:17 [michel]: ... how to deliver the power of rdf datasets to the user?
15:11:31 [michel]: ... all about the user experience
15:11:36 [ericP]: scribenick: michel
15:12:03 [ericP]: [slide 3]
15:12:08 [ericP]: [slide 4]
15:12:24 [michel]: ... recent review paper indicated the lack of understanding and knowledge makes it difficult to use
15:13:20 [michel]: ... review on visualizing data: hTp://iospress.metapress.com/content/2822p340453463g1/
15:13:33 [michel]: htTp://iospress.metapress.com/content/2822p340453463g1/
15:13:37 [ericP]: [slide 9]
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15:14:20 [michel]: ... would like more adaptable interfaces
15:14:38 [ericP]: [slide 10]
15:14:38 [michel]: [slide 10]
15:14:52 [mscottm]: URL to slides?
15:15:08 [michel]: ... linked data browsers run in html browsers;
15:15:11 [michel]: slides: http://goo.gl/d19xK
15:15:16 [mscottm]: tx
15:15:22 [michel]: ... not much in terms of useability
15:16:08 [michel]: ... should allow us to know what's in a dataset, how to find and get data, how to manipulate the data and personalize it
15:16:12 [ericP]: [slide 12]
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15:17:30 [michel]: ... sig.ma - semantic mashup
15:17:39 [ericP]: [slide 13]
15:18:02 [michel]: ...relfinder - finds the path between two entities - explore the relationships
15:18:53 [egombocz]: you may want to look at IO's Sentient Knowledge Explorer - free personal version can be downloaded at: http://www.io-informatics.com/ (upper right link)
15:19:22 [michel]: ... visor - pivoted search
15:19:24 [ericP]: [slide 15]
15:19:26 [AndreaS]: Is Visor by IO-Informatics ?
15:20:31 [egombocz]: no
15:20:54 [michel]: ... how can we improve the user experience?
15:21:35 [ericP]: [slide 16]
15:21:37 [AndreaS]: Who is producing Visor, is there a download link ?
15:21:46 [michel]: ... content display - for instance lots of development around drupal
15:22:40 [michel]: [slide 17]
15:23:13 [michel]: ... information workbench: discovery, integration, visualization, search, exploration, analytics, collaborative authoring
15:23:14 [ericP]: [slide 18]
15:23:53 [ericP]: [slide 20]
15:24:07 [michel]: ... Bio2RDF as the core dataset; infrastructure, knowledge resource
15:25:24 [ericP]: [slide 22]
15:25:36 [egombocz]: There is a nice UI for Visual SPARQL queries in Sentient Knoweledge Explorer (KE)
15:25:42 [michel]: ... biosparl.org, bioqueries - a wiki to share quires on linked data
15:26:21 [ericP]: q+
15:27:08 [egombocz]: KE can directly query and import any SPARQL endpoint and merge it with experimental results
15:27:46 [egombocz]: KE also allows to import classes and/or instances from SPARQL endpoints
15:27:46 [michel]: lena - sparql should be hidden deep in the application
15:28:23 [egombocz]: Users don't need to write SPARQL; they can use graphical queries
15:28:39 [ericP]: q+ to ask about network browsers like cytoscape and to mention Metaome
15:28:50 [egombocz]: Apologies - my other meeting is starting, need to log off
15:28:59 [Zakim]: -egombocz
15:29:40 [AndreaS]: q+
15:29:45 [ericP]: ack me
15:29:45 [Zakim]: ericP, you wanted to ask about network browsers like cytoscape and to mention Metaome
15:30:08 [AndreaS]: Metaome: link ?
15:30:18 [michel]: ericp - metaome targeted towards pharmaceutical data
15:30:38 [michel]: ... general network browsing e.g. cytoscape to get the whole network in front of them
15:30:48 [michel]: ... whole network vs slice
15:30:58 [michel]: ... what actually works for researchers?
15:31:20 [michel]: alex: looking for HCI studies that show how people want to consume this
15:31:53 [michel]: q+
15:32:15 [michel]: q+ to ask about sparallax
15:32:31 [michel]: ... based on results, build other queries
15:33:08 [AndreaS]: +q
15:34:18 [alex]: query - answer pos processing
15:34:39 [alex]: we are trying dasty3
15:34:47 [alex]: a DAS browser
15:34:58 [ericP]: -> http://www.distilbio.com/ Life Sciences Search Engine from metaome <http://www.metaome.com/>
15:35:30 [amrapali]: sgvizler is also a recent tool used to visualize rdf data: http://code.google.com/p/sgvizler/
15:35:40 [michel]: ack michel
15:35:40 [Zakim]: michel, you wanted to ask about sparallax
15:35:59 [michel]: q+ to ask about sparallax
15:36:18 [michel]: harry: users want answers to questions
15:36:47 [michel]: alex: yes that's one way to do it - hci focuses on task-based interaction
15:36:56 [Lena]: zakim, who is making noise
15:36:56 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'who is making noise', Lena
15:37:07 [michel]: ... more than one simple question
15:37:12 [michel]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:37:25 [Zakim]: michel, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P4 (57%), Joseph_Scheuhammer.a (11%)
15:39:32 [michel]: lena - lots of knowledge in literature
15:39:45 [michel]: ... tools to work to work with literature?
15:39:47 [Lena]: @ericP: great reference about the distilbio.com, the query engine is great
15:39:56 [Lena]: @michel, that's not me talking :O
15:40:57 [michel]: gopubmed is useful - http://www.gopubmed.org/web/gopubmed/
15:41:35 [michel]: alex: elsevier grand challenge
15:42:18 [AndreaS]: who is speaking>?
15:43:06 [michel]: ... gather use cases
15:43:20 [AndreaS]: +q
15:43:59 [alex]: Bioqueries (http://bioqueries.uma.es/)
15:45:01 [ericP]: michel: i would like to see visualization as a core HCLS activity
15:45:10 [alex]: so do I
15:45:15 [ericP]: ... we should consider a forming a TF
15:45:18 [AndreaS]: +1
15:45:19 [mscottm]: Andrea get to speak yet?
15:45:19 [alex]: visualization and manipulation of RDF data
15:45:27 [ericP]: ... this would be a good way to gather use cases
15:45:38 [ericP]: ... we could engage vendors like IO-Informatics
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15:45:45 [mscottm]: q+
15:46:20 [HarryHochheiser]: I'd love to join in a task force on visualization and use cases...
15:46:43 [michel]: everybody: please indicate your interest in a visualization task force in the irc
15:46:51 [iker]: +1
15:47:12 [amrapali]: +1
15:47:17 [alex]: +1
15:47:18 [emiller]: I'd be interested
15:47:41 [alex]: I will be happy to share use cases, no problem
15:48:44 [michel]: andrea: users employ very basic visualization
15:49:18 [michel]: ... focus on use cases is good
15:49:37 [michel]: ... analytics and visualization? screenshot?
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15:51:14 [Lena]: +1
15:51:41 [Lena]: +1 (i would propose a visualization working group - from w3c)
15:52:13 [AndreaS]: email >> andrea.splendiani@deri.org
15:52:59 [michel]: integrate not just rdf data sources
15:53:30 [AndreaS]: Alex, which is your email ?
15:53:36 [michel]: ack mscottm
15:53:42 [michel]: ack michel
15:53:42 [Zakim]: michel, you wanted to ask about sparallax
15:53:44 [AndreaS]: -q
15:53:44 [alex]: alexgarciac@gmail.com
15:53:45 [michel]: ack andreas
15:53:50 [alex]: is my email
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15:54:18 [Lena]: mscottm: bottleneck is lack of semantics
15:54:30 [Lena]: mscottm: difficult to find graph data
15:55:03 [maryam]: My email for sending that info: mary@knoesis.org
15:55:25 [alex]: ok, Maryam got it
15:55:46 [alex]: my email is alexgarciac@gmail.com
15:56:26 [maryam]: thanks
15:56:36 [michel]: mscottm: take some features, and project one feature along a dimension (e.g. space, time or both) and look for patterns
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15:56:56 [michel]: mscottm: force directed layouts, look for visual clusters
15:57:22 [AndreaS]: +q
15:57:24 [michel]: zakim, who is here?
15:57:24 [Zakim]: On the phone I see [IPcaller], ??P4, [IPcaller.a], harry, ericP, iker, charlie, andrea, Joseph_Scheuhammer.a, +1.832.386.aadd, ??P7
15:57:26 [Zakim]: On IRC I see HarryHochheiser, maryam, michel, matthias_samwald, mscottm, Lena, amrapali, iker, AndreaS, emiller, RRSAgent, Zakim, alex, MacTed, achille_z, ericP
15:57:31 [Zakim]: -charlie
15:57:43 [Lena]: sounds like mscottm is volunteering to lead the tf :)
15:58:07 [Lena]: zakim, aadd is me
15:58:07 [Zakim]: +Lena; got it
15:58:26 [michel]: mscottm: what we're missing is general tools to map from semantics to visualization (type, colour, size, etc)
15:58:38 [AndreaS]: -q
15:59:01 [michel]: mscottm: keep the query + view
15:59:08 [alex]: we keep talking about visualization but the use cases will involve query-answering
15:59:10 [AndreaS]: +q
15:59:34 [michel]: @alex - i don't agree that they are are all query answering
15:59:40 [Zakim]: -ericP
16:00:04 [AndreaS]: Visualization is about finding insight in information, hence it's in some definition query-answering
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16:00:50 [Lena]: wrt visualization, exhibit3 (on which biodistill was built), is a good startng point
16:01:30 [Zakim]: -harry
16:01:33 [Zakim]: -Lena
16:01:34 [Zakim]: -iker
16:01:35 [Zakim]: -[IPcaller]
16:01:35 [AndreaS]: bye
16:01:37 [Zakim]: -andrea
16:01:37 [Zakim]: -??P7
16:01:40 [Zakim]: -??P4
16:01:42 [emiller]: thanks everyone
16:01:43 [mscottm]: bye
16:01:44 [alex]: bye all
16:01:47 [maryam]: bye
16:01:52 [michel]: rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:52 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/13-HCLS-minutes.html michel
16:01:57 [michel]: rrsagent, make log world-visible
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16:02:23 [Zakim]: -Joseph_Scheuhammer.a
16:02:25 [Zakim]: SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
16:02:25 [Zakim]: Attendees were egombocz, [IPcaller], Joseph_Scheuhammer, ericP, iker, harry, charlie, andrea, +1.832.386.aadd, Lena
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