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15:59:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:59:09 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
15:59:09 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:59:10 <trackbot> Date: 09 February 2012
15:59:17 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started
15:59:24 <Zakim> +Cooper
16:00:14 <Zakim> +??P55
16:00:26 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P55 is Janina_Sajka
16:00:34 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
16:01:06 <paulc> paulc has joined #html-a11y
16:01:52 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
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16:02:17 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
16:02:50 <Zakim> +Rich
16:02:56 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:02:58 <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Feb/0063.html
16:03:00 <Zakim> +Mike
16:03:23 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:03:34 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:03:37 <MikeSmith> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Feb/0040.html
16:04:48 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:05:53 <MichaelC> regrets: Steve_Faulkner, Laura_Carlson
16:05:55 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Feb/0040.html
16:06:11 <MichaelC> agenda+	issue-192: title attribute (Steve)
16:06:12 <MichaelC> agenda+	issue-193: remove CSS example (Steve)
16:06:14 <MichaelC> agenda+	issue-194: media transcript (John)
16:06:15 <MichaelC> agenda+	issue-199: ARIA-attribute processing requirements (MichaelC)
16:06:17 <MichaelC> agenda+	issue-201: canvas fallback (Frank)
16:06:19 <MichaelC> agenda+	issue-202: figcaption word-count (Judy)
16:06:21 <MichaelC> agenda+	Subteam Reports: Text; ARIA Mappings; Canvas; Bug Triage; Media;
16:06:22 <MichaelC> agenda+	issue-164 (remove or modify hgroup) (re)confirm TF position?
16:06:23 <MichaelC> agenda+	Other Business
16:06:25 <MichaelC> agenda+	Identify Scribe for 16 February
16:08:38 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
16:09:30 <richardschwerdtfe> agenda+issue-131 caret selection notification
16:09:55 <MichaelC> agenda?
16:09:56 <paulc> Topic: When to file change proposals?
16:10:13 <MichaelC> drop item 7
16:10:15 <MichaelC> drop item 8
16:10:17 <MichaelC> drop item 9
16:10:18 <MichaelC> drop item 10
16:10:21 <MichaelC> drop item 11
16:10:24 <MichaelC> drop item 12
16:10:28 <paulc> Paul indicated that anyone with a change proposal they are working on should definitely file what they by the on time date.
16:10:54 <paulc> There note should if possible indicate if there are any areas they plan to continue to work on so that other WG member know if the CP is complete or not.
16:11:16 <paulc> The Chairs are especially willing to see CPs evovle in the face of input and/or discussion on the email list.
16:12:21 <MichaelC> agenda?
16:12:54 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:13:21 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
16:13:21 <MikeSmith> Topic: Reminder of the Deadline for reopen requests based on New Information
16:13:27 <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Feb/0063.html
16:13:43 <MichaelC> ms: important to be aware of the deadlines in the above mail
16:14:46 <MichaelC> topic: Meta name generator
16:14:59 <MichaelC> js: TF approved Steve's change proposal
16:15:02 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name=generator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming
16:15:07 <MichaelC> Leif has put out another one
16:15:41 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:15:49 <MichaelC> ms: note some of the reopen requests need to be refined further
16:16:00 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
16:16:10 <MichaelC> <scribe can't find pointer to Leif's CP>
16:16:44 <MichaelC> there will be a preliminary review for well formedness of CPs
16:16:51 <MichaelC> need to be prepared to respond quickly to issues raised
16:17:46 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
16:17:46 <Zakim> agendum 13. "issue-192: title attribute (Steve)" taken up [from MichaelC]
16:18:13 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/notitlev2 Updated title attribute CP from Steve
16:19:19 <MichaelC> <note this is tagged to HTML-ISSUE-80, not HTML-ISSUE-192>
16:20:56 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/notitle_reality
16:21:38 <MichaelC> js: this is a reconsideration request for HTML-ISSUE-80
16:21:44 <MichaelC> ms: finding above CP as well
16:22:11 <MichaelC> mc: think this is and OBE version but it's unclear
16:22:29 <MichaelC> ms: think Steve is on top of pushing the CP to the HTML WG
16:22:35 <MichaelC> js: important so will ping
16:23:30 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:23:52 <MichaelC> js; has been reviewed by text sub-team, just editorial edits now
16:23:55 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
16:23:55 <Zakim> agendum 14. "issue-193: remove CSS example (Steve)" taken up [from MichaelC]
16:24:08 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:24:15 <MichaelC> ms: no CP available?
16:24:32 <MichaelC> js: on Steve's plate, don't recall due date
16:24:48 <MichaelC> issue was that markup in example was not a11y friendly
16:25:03 <MichaelC> ms: so naive user might get misled even though it's informative
16:25:44 <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
16:26:13 <MichaelC> due 15 February 2012
16:27:32 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
16:27:32 <Zakim> agendum 15. "issue-194: media transcript (John)" taken up [from MichaelC]
16:27:50 <MichaelC> q+
16:28:08 <MichaelC> jf: there are two methods to pursue
16:28:11 <MichaelC> <scribe missed details>
16:28:21 <MichaelC> not sure whether to submit one, both as alternatives, what
16:28:33 <MichaelC> js: both would work and we don't have preference between them, right?
16:28:48 <MichaelC> jf: right, we need programmatic link to transcripts
16:28:59 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:29:06 <MichaelC> can be done with @kind or with a new attribute
16:29:11 <MichaelC> new attribute might have more resistance
16:29:22 <MichaelC> ms: discussed in media sub-team?
16:29:36 <MichaelC> js: not recently
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16:30:02 <MichaelC> q-
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16:31:00 <MichaelC> there has been pushback on new values for @kind
16:31:45 <MichaelC> ms: should get others to support an approach and contribute to the CP
16:32:01 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
16:32:01 <Zakim> agendum 16. "issue-199: ARIA-attribute processing requirements (MichaelC)" taken up [from MichaelC]
16:32:14 <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith 
16:32:20 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ARIA_Processing ARIA processing CP
16:32:46 <MikeSmith> MichaelC: view is that this CP is to clarify how to do lexical processing of ARIA in HTML
16:32:56 <MikeSmith> ... it copies info from elsewhre
16:33:52 <MikeSmith> ... says what the syntax of the value of the role attribute is
16:34:09 <MikeSmith> ... and some additional conformance requirements, then how to process it
16:34:20 <MikeSmith> ... similiarly, for state and property attributes
16:34:50 <MikeSmith> MichaelC: So I believe that should clarify the lexical processing requirements for ARIA
16:34:56 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:34:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:35:08 <MikeSmith> scribe: MichaelC 
16:36:22 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
16:36:22 <Zakim> agendum 17. "issue-201: canvas fallback (Frank)" taken up [from MichaelC]
16:36:52 <MichaelC> rs: expect Frank to have a CP by this weekend
16:37:21 <richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Canvas_hit_testing
16:37:46 <MichaelC> due 16 Feb
16:39:59 <MichaelC> ms: also need to move that to the HTML wiki
16:40:02 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
16:40:02 <Zakim> agendum 18. "issue-202: figcaption word-count (Judy)" taken up [from MichaelC]
16:40:15 <MichaelC> js: believe Judy still hopes to get this in
16:40:27 <MichaelC> it's a nice-to-have, not essential
16:40:36 <MichaelC> so if it's not in, we'll be ok
16:40:47 <MichaelC> ms: would be nice to get it done so it's not hanging
16:41:29 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
16:41:29 <Zakim> agendum 18 closed
16:41:30 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:41:31 <richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/FocusRingTextBaseline
16:41:32 <Zakim> 19. Subteam Reports: Text; ARIA Mappings; Canvas; Bug Triage; Media; [from MichaelC]
16:41:38 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 23
16:41:38 <Zakim> agendum 23. "issue-131 caret selection notification" taken up [from richardschwerdtfe]
16:42:02 <MichaelC> <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/FocusRingTextBaseline>
16:42:03 <richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/CaretSelectionRevised
16:42:20 <MichaelC> rs: these are two canvas proposals
16:42:33 <MichaelC> not alternatives, they work together to solve the problems
16:43:08 <MichaelC> also think current state for focus ring isn't satisfactory yet
16:43:16 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
16:43:16 <Zakim> agendum 23 closed
16:43:18 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:43:18 <Zakim> 19. Subteam Reports: Text; ARIA Mappings; Canvas; Bug Triage; Media; [from MichaelC]
16:43:20 <MikeSmith> agenda+ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0057.html
16:43:44 <MichaelC> item 24 = April face-to-face meetings for HTML and WebApps
16:43:47 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 24
16:43:47 <Zakim> agendum 24. "April face-to-face meetings for HTML and WebApps" taken up
16:43:52 <MichaelC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0057.html
16:44:29 <MichaelC> ms: there's a proposal to have meetings between WebApps and HTML in Silicon Valley 10 - 12 April 2012
16:44:41 <MichaelC> question is whether this TF should meet then also
16:44:52 <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JanMar/thread.html#msg549
16:45:45 <MichaelC> s/10 - 12/10 - 13/
16:46:51 <MichaelC> TF could meet on Monday 9 April, Saturday 14 April, or overlap with WebApps on 10 - 11 April
16:48:29 <MichaelC> mc: can poll for a) support a FtF this year, b) support joining this batch of meetings, c) specific dates in that week preferred?
16:49:29 <MichaelC> js: want to know about agenda
16:49:41 <MichaelC> mc: picks up on some TPAC discussion about Web performance
16:50:37 <MichaelC> also some API work, that's not currently in HTML but affects it
16:52:25 <MichaelC> pc: HTML also needs to start thinking of what's next in HTML
16:52:44 <MikeSmith> related to HTML.next - http://www.w3.org/html/wg/next/markup/
16:53:12 <MichaelC> js: makes sense for these meetings to take place
16:53:47 <MikeSmith> stuff that will be going into WebApps charter - http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/CharterChanges#Additions_Agreed
16:54:12 <MichaelC> pc: FtF at last TPAC was considered valuable
16:54:19 <MichaelC> would run the HTML portion of this un-conference style
16:54:27 <MichaelC> js: PF would be interested in this stuff anyways
16:54:49 <MichaelC> value in TF joining in the forwards thinking
16:55:15 <MichaelC> zakim, mute john
16:55:15 <Zakim> John_Foliot should now be muted
16:56:50 <MichaelC> pc: also in poll should point out nearby religious holidays
16:58:57 <MikeSmith> q?
17:00:06 <MichaelC> topic: Text alternatives
17:00:24 <MichaelC> mc: have a change proposal that functions as part of a reopen request for HTML-ISSUE-31, but don't feel confident in it
17:00:43 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/Text_Alternatives_Ownership
17:00:51 <MichaelC> js: Steve is working on another aspect that is more important
17:01:18 <MichaelC> need to decide what to do with these in the next day and half
17:01:40 <MikeSmith> q?
17:01:41 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
17:01:41 <Zakim> agendum 24 closed
17:01:42 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:01:42 <Zakim> 19. Subteam Reports: Text; ARIA Mappings; Canvas; Bug Triage; Media; [from MichaelC]
17:01:49 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
17:02:07 <Zakim> -Mike
17:02:09 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
17:02:10 <Zakim> -Cooper
17:02:10 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
17:02:18 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:02:21 <janina> janina has left #html-a11y
17:06:22 <MichaelC> zakim, drop rich
17:06:22 <Zakim> Rich is being disconnected
17:06:24 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has ended
17:06:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Cooper, Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, Rich, Mike, paulc, Cynthia_Shelly
17:06:36 <MichaelC> meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force
17:06:41 <MichaelC> chair: Mike_Smith
17:07:10 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
17:07:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-html-a11y-minutes.html MichaelC
17:08:51 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
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17:08:52 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
17:08:52 <RRSAgent> I see no action items