IRC log of i18n on 2012-02-08

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/08-i18n-irc
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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 08 February 2012
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Feb/0006.html
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/08-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/08-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
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+??P6
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zakim, ??P6 is me
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+matial; got it
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+??P10
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zakim, dial richard
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+Richard
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+ +41.41.888.aaaa
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+Addison_Phillips
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+ +1.415.885.aabb
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+ +1.408.536.aacc
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zakim, +41 is me
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+David; got it
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zakim, drop richard
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Richard is being disconnected
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-Richard
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zakim, dial richard-home
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+Richard
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Topic: Minutes/Agenda
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Topic: Action Items
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close ACTION-92
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ACTION-92 Contact martin and ask if he'd like to update the misscharglyph page closed
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Comment on behalf of WG in Unicode forum expressing support for an additional review period for UTR#50
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close ACTION-93
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ACTION-93 Comment on behalf of WG in Unicode forum expressing support for an additional review period for UTR#50 closed
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Topic: Info Share
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/08-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/limerick-workshop/limerick-workshop-report
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richard: report on the multilingual workshop (above)
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richard: @translate added to HTML5
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http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2012/02/06/new-tests-html5-bidi/
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richard: new bidi tests from aharon and compnay
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s/compnay/company/
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... mainly about <bdi>
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Topic: IME API
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http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ime-api/raw-file/default/Overview.html
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Feb/0008.html
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http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ime-api/raw-file/default/use-cases/Overview.html
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', aphillip. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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+[IPcaller]
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/08-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: the above are proposed in the webapps charter
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... could we have a look at the above?
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ACTION: addison: add IME documents to review radar, write to webapps requesting formal notifications at appropriate review points
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Created ACTION-96 - Add IME documents to review radar, write to webapps requesting formal notifications at appropriate review points [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-02-15].
16:18:18 [aphillip]
norbert: might want to note that this won't be easy
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... many kinds of input systems (e.g. handwriting)
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Topic: Ruby Discussion
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http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Rb
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richard: a few changes to the wiki
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... added sections called "does it support use case"
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... and added summary
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... see bottom
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richard: need to resolve this by 11th of February or write a change proposal
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... don't think we can do that
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... still hearing new ideas
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... problem we have is that the arbitrary date caused by murata's escalation
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... discussed in interaction domain meeting
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... mike smith has spoken with leif
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... asking him to withdraw it
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... if not withdrawn, then html5 proposal has to be considered
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... leif will do so if richard posts on list saying we're investigating
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richard: mike suggests turning wiki into note
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... and then author WD separate from HTML5, get impl support, and then ask for it to be integrated
16:26:25 [kojiishi]
Mike told me that i18n WG's charter allows us to write notes, but not WD?
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addison: we can write notes, but not REC; can write REC as part of HTML
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-kojiishi
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, ipcaller is me
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+kojiishi; got it
16:32:16 [kojiishi]
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13113#c0
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Mozilla is blocked by this bug, but is interested in implmenting
16:34:42 [aphillip]
richard needs to write to public-html making a statement asking for Leif's withdrawl pending future activity by I18N WG and interested implementers to complete the ruby specification that we need
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... and add something like that to the bug
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action: richard: write to public-html asking for end of escalation pending future work by i18n
16:37:47 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-97 - Write to public-html asking for end of escalation pending future work by i18n [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-02-15].
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action: richard: update ruby bug with summary of current situation and asking for no re-escalation
16:38:05 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-98 - Update ruby bug with summary of current situation and asking for no re-escalation [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-02-15].
16:38:28 [aphillip]
richard: then need to create plan for creating documents
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addison: can turn wiki into note
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richard: but need an editor to work on draft
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koji: volunteers to be co-editor
16:41:02 [kojiishi]
is it possible for Richard to be one of editors?
16:41:52 [kojiishi]
We can ask fantasai but she has a lot of things on her table
16:42:24 [kojiishi]
It's probably good to ask her help, but if we can do most of edits work, I think that works the best
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chair: do we agree that the way forward is to create a note with requirements and then create a WD/spec separate from HTML for implementation?
16:46:07 [kojiishi]
no objections
16:46:12 [David]
no objection
16:46:13 [matial]
OK
16:46:15 [r12a]
no objection
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john: no objection
16:46:16 [joconner1]
no objections
16:46:17 [andrewc]
ok
16:46:18 [fsasaki]
no objections
16:46:21 [Norbert]
agree
16:46:29 [aphillip]
addison: agree
16:46:36 [r12a]
agree too
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chair: so resolved :-)
16:47:01 [David]
I agree
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richard: have a look at the wiki and send comments in
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... haven't finished tidying of new stuff
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... but the main ideas are there
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Topic: AOB?
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/08-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:50:48 [joconner1]
in response to richard, i commit to reading the wiki pages and getting up to speed on background info regarding ruby
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Thank you so much to Richard and Addison for all the staff!
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-David
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-joconner1
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-andrewc
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-kojiishi
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-Richard
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-matial
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Attendees were matial, Richard, fsasaki, +41.41.888.aaaa, Addison_Phillips, andrewc, +1.415.885.aabb, +1.408.536.aacc, Norbert, David, kojiishi, joconner1
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/08-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Present: Addison, Richard, Koji, David, Norbert, Andrew, Mati, Felix, John
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/08-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Richard, in your opinion, how can I serve the wg the best at this point? i will read all the ruby material to get updated, but are there other things that need attention as well?
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