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16:27:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7322733
16:27:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
16:27:28 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:27:28 <trackbot> Date: 07 February 2012
16:27:30 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Feb/0028.html
16:27:33 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
16:27:41 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas
16:41:14 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Joerg
16:41:19 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
16:41:26 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:41:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:41:33 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:41:55 <mhausenblas> Zakim, this will be SW_RDB2RDF
16:41:55 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
16:42:00 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:42:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
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17:00:46 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:00:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
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17:00:54 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
17:01:01 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
17:01:14 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]
17:01:22 <mhausenblas> present+ Ted
17:01:23 <MacTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
17:01:23 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
17:01:30 <cygri> zakim, code?
17:01:30 <Zakim> the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri
17:01:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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17:01:49 <Zakim> +??P20
17:01:52 <Ashok> zakim, IPCaller is me
17:01:52 <Zakim> +Ashok; got it
17:01:53 <cygri> zakim, P20 is me
17:01:53 <Zakim> sorry, cygri, I do not recognize a party named 'P20'
17:01:59 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
17:01:59 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
17:01:59 <cygri> zakim, ??P20 is me
17:02:01 <Zakim> +Ivan
17:02:01 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
17:02:04 <mhausenblas> present+ Ashok
17:02:08 <mhausenblas> present+ Ivan
17:02:12 <mhausenblas> present+ Richard
17:02:23 <Zakim> + +1.314.394.aaaa
17:02:34 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is dmcneil 
17:02:34 <Zakim> +dmcneil; got it
17:02:40 <mhausenblas> present+ David
17:02:50 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:02:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:03:18 <mhausenblas> present+ Nuno
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17:03:38 <Zakim> +nunolopes; got it
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17:05:24 <Zakim> + +575737aabb
17:05:28 <juansequeda> Zakim, aabb is me
17:05:28 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it
17:05:30 <mhausenblas> present+ Juan
17:05:57 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Marcelo
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17:06:31 <mhausenblas> present+ Boris
17:06:35 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aacc is boris 
17:06:35 <Zakim> +boris; got it
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17:06:44 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
17:06:49 <Zakim> +EricP
17:06:55 <mhausenblas> present+ Eric
17:07:01 <mhausenblas> present+ Souri
17:07:19 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaee
17:07:24 <mhausenblas> present+ Seema
17:07:53 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:07:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:08:37 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin
17:08:43 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/01/31-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
17:08:53 <boris> +1
17:08:55 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/01/31-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
17:09:02 <mhausenblas> Topic: Towards CR
17:09:16 <mhausenblas> Ashok: we started the process, thanks to Ivan
17:09:31 <mhausenblas> ... we will have a telecon with W3M next week
17:09:38 <mhausenblas> ... and will report to the WG
17:10:13 <mhausenblas> Ivan: Doodle has been sent out, myself, Ashok and Michael have confirmed - outstanding are TLR and RalphS
17:10:30 <mhausenblas> ... hope to get it done next week
17:11:11 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aadd is Souri 
17:11:11 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
17:11:18 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaee is Seema 
17:11:18 <Zakim> +Seema; got it
17:11:23 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:11:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:12:37 <mhausenblas> Michael: Thanks again to Editors for putting together the documents!
17:12:54 <mhausenblas> Topic: Implementation report and Test Cases
17:13:11 <mhausenblas> ericP: a bit of uptake in this area would be very useful
17:13:19 <mhausenblas> ... who would be ready to run tests?
17:13:24 <mhausenblas> juansequeda: I'm ready
17:13:57 <boris> q+
17:13:58 <nunolopes> I'll run the tests with the XSPARQL engine
17:13:58 <mhausenblas> dmcneil: we need to catch up a bit but then ready as well?
17:14:10 <mhausenblas> s/well?/well.
17:14:12 <ivan> q+
17:14:14 <mhausenblas> ack boris 
17:14:14 <ericP> q+ to ask how folks will test query re-writers
17:14:32 <mhausenblas> boris: R2RML only or both, dmcneil? 
17:14:37 <mhausenblas> dmcneil: both
17:14:39 <mhausenblas> q?
17:15:08 <mhausenblas> juansequeda: are there negative TC?
17:15:15 <cygri> q+ to say we should have tests for failing mappings, data errors etc
17:15:36 <mhausenblas> boris: yes
17:15:37 <mhausenblas> q?
17:15:42 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:15:52 <mhausenblas> ivan: do we have implementations from outside the WG
17:16:07 <mhausenblas> q+ to speak about WG-external impl
17:16:15 <mhausenblas> Michael: in a minutes, yes, ivan
17:16:18 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
17:16:18 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask how folks will test query re-writers
17:16:27 <juansequeda> q+ to comment on Ivan's question
17:16:37 <mhausenblas> ericP: query-rewriting people do their tests exactly how?
17:16:38 <mhausenblas> q?
17:16:53 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
17:16:53 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to say we should have tests for failing mappings, data errors etc
17:16:55 <Zakim> -cygri
17:17:18 <mhausenblas> Michael: I agree with Richard that it is important
17:17:28 <mhausenblas> ack me
17:17:28 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to speak about WG-external impl
17:17:33 <mhausenblas> Michael: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
17:18:24 <Zakim> +??P6
17:18:27 <cygri> zakim, ??P6 is me
17:18:28 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
17:18:40 <mhausenblas> Michael: I can contact Antonio Garrote and Toby Inkster
17:18:55 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Hausenblas to contact Antonio Garrote and Toby Inkster re TC
17:18:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-196 - Contact Antonio Garrote and Toby Inkster re TC [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-02-14].
17:18:57 <mhausenblas> q?
17:19:02 <mhausenblas> ack juansequeda 
17:19:02 <Zakim> juansequeda, you wanted to comment on Ivan's question
17:19:24 <mhausenblas> juansequeda: I can contact Mariano Rodriguez
17:19:37 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Juan to contact Mariano Rodriguez re TC
17:19:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-197 - Contact Mariano Rodriguez re TC [on Juan Sequeda - due 2012-02-14].
17:20:01 <mhausenblas> q?
17:21:03 <mhausenblas> cygri: It is important that we have the ability to record negative TC and expected outcomes
17:21:08 <mhausenblas> ... esp. re data errors
17:21:11 <mhausenblas> q?
17:21:25 <mhausenblas> Michael: Boris, are data errors TC covered?
17:22:06 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Richard to suggest data errors TC
17:22:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-198 - Suggest data errors TC [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-02-14].
17:22:39 <mhausenblas> Nuno: I will participate in the TC run with XSPARQL
17:22:55 <mhausenblas> Michael: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Submitting_Test_Results thanks boris
17:23:25 <cygri> q+
17:23:29 <mhausenblas> Michael: any comments re the Wiki page?
17:23:32 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
17:23:50 <mhausenblas> cygri: Skimmed the page, looks good but can be a bit improved
17:24:36 <mhausenblas> cygri: steps are all there, but some things are missing
17:24:47 <mhausenblas> ... point out missing things (harness, for example)
17:24:52 <mhausenblas> q?
17:25:31 <mhausenblas> q?
17:26:07 <mhausenblas> Michael: I encourage all WG members to suggest improvements via the mailing list or even better directly editing the Wiki page
17:26:20 <nunolopes> q+
17:26:20 <mhausenblas> Richard: pls report also re your experiences with it
17:26:23 <mhausenblas> ack nunolopes 
17:26:49 <mhausenblas> nunolopes: I was just looking at the Wiki page now and what I didn't really get is how to compare the output
17:26:51 <Zakim> -Ashok
17:27:37 <mhausenblas> Boris: Yes, that 'expected vs. factual comparison tool' is planned
17:27:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:28:08 <mhausenblas> cygri: That's good, but it is important to make explicit what is going on under the hood so that people know how to do it
17:28:09 <mhausenblas> q?
17:28:19 <Ashok> Zakim, IPCaller is me
17:28:19 <Zakim> +Ashok; got it
17:28:22 <nunolopes> q+
17:28:29 <mhausenblas> ack nunolopes 
17:28:56 <mhausenblas> nunolopes: when we are comparing the graphs - for example using Jena - but there is a problem re named graphs
17:29:41 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Nuno to report on comparing graphs experience and provide bash script used in XSPARQL testing on the Wiki
17:29:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-199 - Report on comparing graphs experience and provide bash script used in XSPARQL testing on the Wiki [on Nuno Lopes - due 2012-02-14].
17:29:47 <mhausenblas> q?
17:30:08 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
17:30:31 <mhausenblas> cygri: might be useful to group things by R2RML vs DM
17:30:45 <Ashok> +1 to Richard
17:30:47 <ericP> +1
17:31:00 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Hausenblas to beautify http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations re grouping
17:31:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-200 - Beautify http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations re grouping [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-02-14].
17:31:50 <mhausenblas> Michael: Please feel free to report on known RDB2RDF impl via that Wiki page
17:32:10 <mhausenblas> Topic: Issues and actions
17:32:13 <cygri> ISSUE-78?
17:32:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Minor bug in namespace document -- open
17:32:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/78
17:32:13 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-78?
17:32:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Minor bug in namespace document -- open
17:32:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/78
17:32:34 <boris> q+
17:32:51 <mhausenblas> ack boris 
17:32:57 <mhausenblas> boris: I sent that
17:33:14 <mhausenblas> close ISSUE-78
17:33:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-78 Minor bug in namespace document closed
17:33:39 <Zakim> -cygri
17:33:44 <mhausenblas> ACTION-166?
17:33:44 <trackbot> ACTION-166 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to add rr:R2RMLView and rr:BaseTableOrView to schema -- due 2011-11-14 -- OPEN
17:33:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/166
17:33:57 <Zakim> +??P6
17:34:01 <cygri> zakim, ??P6 is me
17:34:01 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
17:34:08 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-166
17:34:08 <trackbot> ACTION-166 Add rr:R2RMLView and rr:BaseTableOrView to schema closed
17:34:26 <mhausenblas> ACTION-192?
17:34:26 <trackbot> ACTION-192 -- Richard Cyganiak to write wiki text on relationship between our SQL value mapping and the one in ISO/IEC 9075-14 -- due 2012-02-06 -- OPEN
17:34:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/192
17:34:39 <mhausenblas> ACTION-193
17:34:42 <mhausenblas> ACTION-193?
17:34:42 <trackbot> ACTION-193 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to fill http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Submitting_Implementation_Reports -- due 2012-02-07 -- OPEN
17:34:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/193
17:34:48 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-193
17:34:48 <trackbot> ACTION-193 Fill http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Submitting_Implementation_Reports closed
17:35:28 <mhausenblas> ACTION-195?
17:35:29 <trackbot> ACTION-195 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to propose a more detailed wording concerning i18y requirements -- due 2012-02-07 -- OPEN
17:35:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/195
17:36:10 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:36:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:36:30 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-195
17:36:30 <trackbot> ACTION-195 Propose a more detailed wording concerning i18y requirements closed
17:36:48 <mhausenblas> ACTION-160?
17:36:48 <trackbot> ACTION-160 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output) -- due 2011-10-18 -- OPEN
17:36:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/160
17:37:12 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-160
17:37:12 <trackbot> ACTION-160 Add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output) closed
17:37:18 <mhausenblas> ACTION-179?
17:37:18 <trackbot> ACTION-179 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to review test cases for any that use rr:tableName, rr:sqlQuery or rr:sqlVersion directly on a triples maps; this syntactic sugar is removed by the ISSUE-75 resolution -- due 2011-12-20 -- OPEN
17:37:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/179
17:37:39 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-179
17:37:39 <trackbot> ACTION-179 Review test cases for any that use rr:tableName, rr:sqlQuery or rr:sqlVersion directly on a triples maps; this syntactic sugar is removed by the ISSUE-75 resolution closed
17:37:56 <mhausenblas> Topic: AOB
17:37:58 <ericP> Re: ISSUE-78, for the record, i've grepped http://www.w3.org/ns/r2rml.* and found "xds" only in R1.6 (current - 1) of r2rml.html
17:38:17 <mhausenblas> Juan: are the current TC all we have
17:38:54 <mhausenblas> ericP: closing TC is a CR exit question
17:40:21 <Zakim> -EricP
17:40:45 <cygri> mhausenblas++
17:40:54 <Zakim> -Ivan
17:40:55 <Zakim> -Souri
17:40:56 <Zakim> -Ashok
17:40:56 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
17:40:58 <Zakim> -cygri
17:40:58 <Zakim> -Seema
17:41:00 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:41:00 <Zakim> -juansequeda
17:41:05 <mhausenblas> Ivan: Do we need to meet weekly during CR?
17:41:14 <Zakim> -dmcneil
17:41:32 <mhausenblas> Michael: We should, for the next weeks to ensure to get the TC on track, then we can move over to bi-weekly, yes
17:41:38 <mhausenblas> [meeting adjourned]
17:42:55 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
17:42:55 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:42:55 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been mhausenblas, MacTed, Ashok, cygri, Ivan, +1.314.394.aaaa, dmcneil, nunolopes, +575737aabb, juansequeda, +34.91.336.aacc, boris,
17:42:58 <Zakim> ... +1.603.897.aadd, EricP, +1.603.897.aaee, Souri, Seema
17:43:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:43:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-minutes.html trackbot
17:43:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:43:04 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-actions.rdf :
17:43:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Hausenblas to contact Antonio Garrote and Toby Inkster re TC [1]
17:43:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-irc#T17-18-55
17:43:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Juan to contact Mariano Rodriguez re TC [2]
17:43:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-irc#T17-19-37
17:43:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Richard to suggest data errors TC [3]
17:43:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-irc#T17-22-06
17:43:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Nuno to report on comparing graphs experience and provide bash script used in XSPARQL testing on the Wiki [4]
17:43:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-irc#T17-29-41
17:43:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Hausenblas to beautify http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations re grouping [5]
17:43:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-RDB2RDF-irc#T17-31-00
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