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16:53:07 <Joshue108> zakim, this will be 9224
16:53:07 <Zakim> ok, Joshue108; I see Team_(wai-wcag)17:00Z scheduled to start in 7 minutes
16:53:17 <Joshue108> rrsagent, make log world
16:53:35 <Joshue108> meeting: HTML Techniques Task Force
16:53:39 <Joshue108> chair: Josh
16:55:02 <Joshue108> agenda, this?
16:55:29 <Joshue108> agenda?
16:55:49 <Joshue108> agenda + Survey results for meeting times. Please answer the survey before the meeting
16:55:49 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2012-01_html-techs-tf-sched/
16:56:08 <Joshue108> agenda + First "assignment" of techniques. Please look over the proposed techniques listed at
16:56:08 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/HTML5 AND
16:56:08 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
16:56:08 <Joshue108> and look for a few techniques you would be interested in writing. We will ask that everyone who is participating chooses 1 technique to start off this effort
16:56:20 <Joshue108> agenda + Discussion of ARIA Landmark technique proposed at
16:56:20 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_landmarks
16:56:33 <Joshue108> agenda + Discussion of ARIA Landmark technique proposed at
16:56:33 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_landmarks
16:57:06 <Joshue108> agenda + AOB
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16:59:03 <Zakim> Team_(wai-wcag)17:00Z has now started
16:59:10 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
16:59:26 <Zakim> +??P2
16:59:57 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
17:00:19 <Joshue108> zakim, ??P2 is Joshue
17:00:19 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
17:00:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:00:44 <Joshue108> zakim, +[IPcaller] is David
17:00:44 <Zakim> sorry, Joshue108, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
17:00:49 <Zakim> + +1.720.663.aaaa
17:01:10 <Zakim> + +1.202.272.aabb
17:01:58 <David> Really echoing
17:02:10 <jamesn> zakim, mute David
17:02:10 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should now be muted
17:02:22 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
17:02:36 <jamesn> zakim, unmute David
17:02:36 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
17:02:49 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
17:02:49 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
17:03:16 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
17:03:16 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
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17:03:53 <David_> ok is this the place in irc
17:04:08 <Zakim> +Léonie_Watson
17:04:59 <Joshue108> scribenick: Leonie
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17:06:11 <Joshue108> zakim, take up item 1
17:06:11 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Survey results for meeting times. Please answer the survey before the meeting" taken up [from Joshue108]
17:06:18 <LeonieW> scribenick: LeonieW
17:06:38 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2012-01_html-techs-tf-sched/
17:06:41 <LeonieW> JOC: Has everyone filled in the survey?
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17:07:16 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
17:07:20 <LeonieW> JN: If there is anyone you think should be here can you let us know?
17:08:21 <LeonieW> JN: People need to be members of either PF, WCAG or both.
17:09:38 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
17:09:44 <LeonieW> JN: We should be clear which list we use for traffic.
17:10:17 <LeonieW> JN: I think Xtech might be the best option.
17:11:37 <LeonieW> JOC: For now everything should go to both lists.
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17:12:22 <Joshue108> RESOLUTION: Minutes to go to both group lists for the forseeable future
17:12:32 <LeonieW> rssagent, make minutes
17:12:50 <Joshue108> zakim, take up item 2
17:12:50 <Zakim> agendum 2. "First "assignment" of techniques. Please look over the proposed techniques listed at" taken up [from Joshue108]
17:13:19 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
17:13:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/30-html-techs-tf-minutes.html LeonieW
17:14:04 <LeonieW> JN: Cynthia put together a list of ARIA and HTML techniques that need writing.
17:14:06 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
17:14:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Joshue, David_MacDonald, [IPcaller], +1.720.663.aaaa, +1.202.272.aabb, Marc_Johlic, Léonie_Watson (muted), Christophe_Strobbe, Tim_Boland
17:14:16 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/HTML5
17:14:30 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
17:16:41 <LeonieW> TB: Is there any priority?
17:16:58 <LeonieW> JOC: Everyone has carte blanche to offer to tackle techniques.
17:17:16 <LeonieW> JN: Some have been assigned. If there isn't a link, work may not have been started.
17:17:25 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
17:17:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/30-html-techs-tf-minutes.html LeonieW
17:18:03 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
17:18:51 <Loretta> David, you may have more work on landmarks, too...
17:19:07 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
17:20:28 <David_> no problem reworking landmarks... i expect that...
17:20:39 <cstrobbe> q+ to ask what login you need for the wiki
17:21:17 <Joshue108> ack, cstrobbe
17:24:09 <LeonieW> DM: I can take labelledby and describedby.
17:24:15 <LeonieW> DT: I can take maxlink.
17:24:55 <LeonieW> MJ: I could take the error identification stuff under 3.3.1.
17:25:10 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Instructions http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template
17:25:30 <Loretta> These are the links to the current documents describinghow to write WCAG techniques.
17:25:56 <LeonieW> GS: I can take 3.1.3.
17:26:14 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
17:26:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/30-html-techs-tf-minutes.html LeonieW
17:26:39 <cstrobbe> s/GS: I can take 3.1.3/CS: I can take 3.1.3/
17:26:51 <LeonieW> LGR: Just posted a link to documentation on writing techniques.
17:28:04 <LeonieW> JOC: We could collaborate on some techniques.
17:28:14 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
17:28:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/30-html-techs-tf-minutes.html LeonieW
17:28:31 <Zakim> -Léonie_Watson
17:28:34 <jamesn> scribeNick: jamesn
17:29:55 <Joshue108> zakim, take up item 3
17:29:55 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Discussion of ARIA Landmark technique proposed at" taken up [from Joshue108]
17:30:03 <jamesn> JOC: will send out a mail to list to ask for more volunteers!
17:30:19 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
17:30:21 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_landmarks
17:31:04 <Joshue108> JN: This is new ARIA techniques
17:31:10 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
17:32:14 <Loretta> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120126misc/results
17:32:56 <David_> I'm there now
17:36:13 <Joshue108> JN: The fact that we have a bias towards WCAG means we need to do some outreach towards PF.
17:36:40 <Joshue108> JN: This may have to wait until the HTML5 work calms.
17:39:02 <jamesn> LR: we normally visit each comment and see if there is anything actionable in them
17:39:40 <jamesn> LR: Detlev raises 2 issues. The first is whether there is user agent support. This suprised me as think there is good support for them
17:39:52 <jamesn> JOC: good support 3 back
17:39:58 <jamesn> JOC: in JAWS
17:40:18 <jamesn> LR: an important questions for these technologies. Should be fiulling in the user agent notes for these techniques
17:40:56 <jamesn> TB: More than 1 independant AT? is this sufficient?
17:41:15 <jamesn> LR: WCAG says they won't rule on how much? Just try to capture what is there
17:41:33 <jamesn> LR: try to give the author a feel about where there may be a problem
17:41:48 <jamesn> JOC: where is the line on when something is accessibility supported?
17:41:56 <jamesn> JOC: where is the line?
17:42:25 <jamesn> LR: ultimeatly the author's responsibility as the author may be writing an intranet app where the platform is known
17:42:39 <jamesn> LR: try to give the author guidance where something is supported or not
17:42:55 <jamesn> DMD: in general pretty safe if 3 versions back
17:43:06 <jamesn> LR: we will document something in most recent version but will note that
17:43:37 <jamesn> JOC: could perhaps scaffold the techniques??
17:43:49 <jamesn> DMD: a little concerned about that
17:43:59 <jamesn> JOC: are you saying this dilutes it?
17:44:01 <jamesn> DMD: yes
17:44:14 <jamesn> q? to agree with David
17:44:31 <jamesn> ack cstrobbe
17:44:31 <Zakim> cstrobbe, you wanted to ask what login you need for the wiki
17:44:32 <cstrobbe> q-
17:45:05 <jamesn> JOC: we have to make sure that what we do is Accessible to developers
17:45:31 <jamesn> DMD: we need to track down people who are doing testing so we aren't reinventing the wheel
17:45:57 <jamesn> JOC: Gez & Steve Faulkner may be able to help
17:48:26 <jamesn> JN: suggest that techniques may want to link to the legacy technique for doing the same thing
17:49:03 <jamesn> LR: sometimes comments get dealt with in advance
17:51:09 <jamesn> CS: 1st comment about applicability
17:51:33 <Joshue108> JN: Are we going to tackle ARIA on other technologies?
17:51:56 <jamesn> CS: there is a role attribute in SVG tiny . but SVG has no accessibility support
17:52:17 <jamesn> LR: sounds like info for the aria technology note
17:52:36 <jamesn> ACTION: james to start a page for the aria technology notes section
17:53:42 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
17:53:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/30-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
17:55:02 <jamesn> CS: 2nd comment is about the aria landmark roles and whether they are resundant
17:55:13 <jamesn> CS: is this a bug or a feature
17:55:22 <jamesn> JOC: this is a big can of worms
17:55:38 <jamesn> JOC: a useragent issue?
17:56:00 <jamesn> JOC: brings up semantics issue as to how aria semantics are meant to trump the host language semantic
17:56:16 <jamesn> JOC: but often just ends up getting the same info twice
17:56:21 <Loretta> q+
17:56:38 <jamesn> DMD: my feeling is that 1 extra word - not too bad
17:56:53 <jamesn> DMD: dont thiink will be a big issue
17:57:03 <jamesn> JOC: better to have it than not
17:57:14 <jamesn> JOC: in time will iron out
17:57:31 <Joshue108> ack Loretta
17:57:43 <jamesn> LR: raises question. Are we writing different html5 VS HTML4 techniques
17:57:57 <jamesn> JOC: very good question...
17:58:08 <jamesn> JOC: we will have to work this out
17:59:03 <jamesn> LR: the aria spec will be done sooner than html5. The spec is html4 oriented I think
17:59:18 <jamesn> LR: this is why we habve rendundant markup.
17:59:43 <jamesn> LR: something we need to thrash out
17:59:48 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
17:59:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/30-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
18:00:24 <jamesn> JN: same time next week.
18:01:10 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
18:01:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/30-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
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18:01:18 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
18:01:20 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
18:01:20 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
18:01:21 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
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18:01:23 <Zakim> -Joshue
18:01:32 <jamesn> zakim, please part
18:01:32 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were James_Nurthen, David_MacDonald, Joshue, [IPcaller], +1.720.663.aaaa, +1.202.272.aabb, Marc_Johlic, Léonie_Watson, Christophe_Strobbe,
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18:01:39 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
18:01:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/30-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
18:02:32 <jamesn> yes
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