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16:02:00 <michel> zakim, this is tmo
16:02:43 <Zakim> ok, michel; that matches SW_HCLS(TMO)11:00AM
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16:04:40 <Zakim> +michel; got it
16:05:12 <ericP> we need to make hasty test decisions, potentially before we publish the CR, if we want the CR to point at submission instructions
16:06:03 <ericP> Doops
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16:09:32 <bobP> Michel: Discuss Clinical Decision Support group
16:10:06 <bobP> ... also Canadian opportunities
16:10:23 <bobP> ... Cinical Decision Support task force
16:10:43 <bobP> ... work assess how semweb can support CDS
16:11:06 <Zakim> + +1.781.431.aabb
16:11:28 <bobP> ... task force focus on looking at interactions between linked data, other cds platforms
16:12:15 <ericP> i'm in a meeting now, but am monitoring IRC and interested in any notes captured abou CDS
16:12:26 <bobP> Matthias: W3C people might want to be on board with this
16:12:39 <bobP> ... also automate with the TMO
16:12:49 <michel> s/automate/alternate
16:12:57 <ericP> W3C people want to be on board (have heard multiple parties interested)
16:13:28 <bobP> ... unique perspective on this problem with this group
16:13:40 <bobP> ... also powerful tool set here
16:13:58 <bobP> ... should advertise better
16:14:27 <bobP> Michel: Chairs have call on Thurs 10-11
16:14:32 <bobP> :)
16:14:48 <bobP> ... early next week we unveil
16:15:20 <bobP> ... people have indicated that they are interested in CDS here
16:15:36 <bobP> ... E-Z to participate!
16:16:13 <bobP> ... Suggest that we narrow here, from TM to Pharmacogenomics
16:16:26 <bobP> ... TM would happen at a higher level
16:16:45 <bobP> ... HCLS call once a month will focus on TM
16:17:13 <bobP> ... 1st 3rd Thu PGx
16:17:22 <bobP> ... 2nd 4th CDS
16:17:51 <bobP> Matthias: Addition to PGx pharmacogenomics
16:18:50 <bobP> ... Drug-interaction task force a little broader than Pgx
16:20:39 <bobP> Michel: Will take this +1 back to the chairs. Roll-out for Feb
16:20:56 <michel> http://www.heritagehealthprize.com/c/hhp
16:21:38 <bobP> ... 1500 payers 10K entries(?)
16:21:47 <bobP> ... first challenge that I have seen
16:22:05 <bobP> ... maybe they have data(!)
16:22:06 <michel> http://www.heritagehealthprize.com/c/hhp/data
16:23:59 <bobP> ... even if we don't predict, we might develop a demo linkedata project over this
16:24:48 <bobP> Q: We might be able to add linked-data *into* the competition
16:25:09 <michel> http://www.heritagehealthprize.com/c/hhp/details/Rules
16:27:40 <bobP> Michel: (pondering the rules here...)
16:27:55 <bobP> ... maybe we just have to ask them in an email
16:28:51 <bobP> (?): Data that we bring in would add value for them
16:29:53 <bobP> Matthias: Offerring raw data in linked data form might be good for them
16:31:27 <michel> http://www.heritagehealthprize.com/c/hhp/forums/t/349/external-data
16:31:33 <bobP> Matthias: Large group of people in this competition; they might find out if they like RDF etc
16:32:07 <bobP> Michel: Look through the forum for other people talking data
16:33:59 <bobP> Michel: Canadian project, national framework
16:34:36 <bobP> ... every province has its own standard; clinical level there is mish-mash
16:35:01 <bobP> ... so set up standard descriptions of health data, plus exchange with security
16:35:04 <michel> http://www.imaginenationchallenge.ca/
16:36:01 <bobP> ... 4 different challenges
16:36:30 <bobP> ... health information is interesting, description is pretty open
16:37:05 <bobP> ... clinical synopsis reporting
16:39:25 <bobP> Bosse: Interesting challenge here, do we have the resources?
16:39:39 <bobP> Michel: Maybe discuss on Tues meeting
16:40:50 <bobP> ... will bring it up on the HCLS call. Maybe there are other challenges
16:41:09 <bobP> ... maybe HCLS should look at challenges!
16:41:46 <bobP> Michel: Genome Canada competition $10M/project
16:42:55 <bobP> ... would like to know about partnership opportunites for this
16:43:43 <bobP> ... PGx of organ Xplant; also EHRs to capture data, Canadian angle
16:44:25 <bobP> Matthias: One of use cases for pgx is organ xplant and rejection
16:45:55 <bobP> Michel: PGx paper.
16:46:25 <bobP> ... problem is, needs focus; Matthias discussion
16:46:46 <bobP> ... demonstrate classification of patients with OWL.
16:47:10 <bobP> ... can OWL obviate the requirement for more complicated CDS?
16:47:36 <bobP> Matthais: Correct. Should also look at other RDF options
16:48:05 <bobP> ... sparql inferencing by TopQuadrant is possibility
16:48:29 <bobP> ... can form relatively complex (inferences?)
16:48:41 <matthias_samwald> http://code.google.com/p/translationalmedicineontology/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fusage_examples
16:48:50 <bobP> ... made CDS table w OWL and w sparql
16:49:12 <bobP> ... done on top of TMO
16:50:48 <bobP> ... outcome: grew a bit disappointed w the reasoning
16:51:03 <bobP> ... so spin and sparql are now a higher priority
16:51:58 <bobP> Michel: Elaborate?
16:53:22 <bobP> Matthias: Basically, qualified cardinality description; cannot infer that (?) consists of exactly 2 dna regions
16:54:43 <bobP> ... probably in OWL full and not DL
16:55:04 <bobP> ... tried to introduce complex property
16:55:27 <bobP> (then combined w cardinality restrictions - boom!)
16:56:02 <bobP> ... Will work better if I try this with SPIN
16:56:53 <bobP> ... using SPIN leads to modelling considerations; individuals are connected
16:57:24 <bobP> ... using spin favors a modelling style of using individuals rather than classes
16:58:04 <bobP> ... easier then to have individual for human, individual for genetic (variety?)
16:58:40 <bobP> (very insightful discussion from Matthais!)
16:59:20 <bobP> Michel: Maybe record this and write paper, about all this experience
16:59:40 <Zakim> +EricP
16:59:48 <bobP> ... prep for OWLED in May
17:00:57 <bobP> ericP is here!
17:02:20 <bobP> ericP: Need actionable information, when we can demo action from the computer
17:02:26 <michel> chair: Michel
17:02:44 <michel> scribenick bobP
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17:33:21 <Joanne> who's speaking with Scott?
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17:35:57 <Joanne> diseaseome and SIDR along with Drug Bank
17:36:22 <Joanne> SIDAR ? /// side affects 
17:37:04 <Joanne> side Effects // SIDER
17:43:05 <michel> ok
17:43:18 <michel> i'm suggesting that a best practices note should be all encompassing
17:43:34 <michel> but that we should certainly try to spin out a W3C note on dataset metadata
17:43:56 <Joanne>  am I hearing that there is a need for a minimal standard for the meta data recommendation specifically?
17:45:09 <Joanne> i'm leaving the conference call now. Will catch up with you later.  
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