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16:55:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7322733
16:55:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
16:55:13 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:55:13 <trackbot> Date: 24 January 2012
16:55:24 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jan/0040.html
16:55:28 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
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17:00:05 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas 
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17:00:14 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent:, draft minutes
17:00:14 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand ', draft minutes', mhausenblas.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:00:21 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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17:00:25 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:00:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:00:29 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
17:00:29 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
17:00:34 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
17:00:37 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
17:00:37 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
17:00:40 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:00:44 <Zakim> +EricP
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17:00:50 <mhausenblas> present+ Ted
17:00:56 <mhausenblas> present+ Eric
17:01:01 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
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17:01:05 <nunolopes> Zakim, nunolopes is with mhausenblas 
17:01:05 <Zakim> +nunolopes; got it
17:01:11 <mhausenblas> present+ Nuno
17:01:15 <mhausenblas> present+ Richard
17:01:20 <mhausenblas> present+ Boris
17:01:22 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
17:01:22 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
17:01:24 <Zakim> +Ivan
17:01:33 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
17:01:33 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
17:01:39 <mhausenblas> Zakim, boris is with me
17:01:39 <Zakim> +boris; got it
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17:01:46 <Zakim> +dmcneil
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17:01:56 <mhausenblas> present+ David
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17:02:03 <mhausenblas> present+ Ivan
17:02:27 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:02:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:02:30 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
17:02:41 <mhausenblas> present+ Ashok
17:02:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:02:55 <mhausenblas> present+ Joerg
17:03:05 <mhausenblas> Zakim, [IPcaller] is joerg 
17:03:05 <Zakim> +joerg; got it
17:03:13 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:03:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:03:54 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin
17:03:59 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/01/17-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
17:04:07 <Zakim> +seema
17:04:09 <ivan> +1
17:04:12 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/01/17-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
17:04:17 <mhausenblas> present+ Seema
17:04:30 <mhausenblas> Topic: Towards CR
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17:04:57 <mhausenblas> Michael: Two REC-Track documents
17:05:00 <mhausenblas> present+ Souri
17:05:10 <mhausenblas> Michael: R2RML and DM
17:05:27 <mhausenblas> Michael:  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/  - R2RML
17:05:38 <mhausenblas> Michael:  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/LC/Overview.html  - DM
17:06:21 <Ashok> q+
17:06:30 <Zakim> + +1.562.714.aaaa
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17:07:00 <mhausenblas> ack Ashok 
17:07:05 <Zakim> +juansequeda
17:07:18 <mhausenblas> Ashok: Wondering what happened to the datatype mapping section
17:07:23 <mhausenblas> present+ Juan
17:07:46 <cygri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jan/0026.html
17:08:09 <mhausenblas> Ashok: Did you Richard and Eric discuss and sort out?
17:08:12 <mhausenblas> Richard: Yes
17:08:35 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:08:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed (muted), mhausenblas, EricP, Ivan, dmcneil, Ashok_Malhotra, joerg, seema, Souri, +1.562.714.aaaa, juansequeda
17:08:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see juansequeda, Souri, Seema, joerg, dmcneil, nunolopes, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, cygri, MacTed, iv_an_ru, ivan, LeeF, betehess, trackbot, ericP
17:08:39 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, nunolopes, cygri, boris
17:08:51 <mhausenblas> present+ Ashok
17:09:02 <mhausenblas> Eric: Looking at it ATM
17:09:21 <mhausenblas> q?
17:09:38 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:09:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:09:48 <Marcelo> Marcelo has joined #rdb2rdf
17:09:54 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is Marcelo
17:09:54 <Zakim> +Marcelo; got it
17:10:01 <mhausenblas> present+ Marcelo
17:10:04 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:10:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:10:46 <mhausenblas> (Eric and Richard discuss the datatype mapping section)
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17:11:43 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:11:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed (muted), mhausenblas, EricP, Ivan, dmcneil, Ashok_Malhotra, joerg, seema, Souri, Marcelo, juansequeda
17:11:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see Marcelo, juansequeda, Souri, Seema, joerg, dmcneil, nunolopes, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, cygri, MacTed, iv_an_ru, ivan, LeeF, betehess, trackbot,
17:11:47 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, nunolopes, cygri, boris
17:11:48 <Zakim> ... ericP
17:12:49 <mhausenblas> Richard: relevant sections are http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/#datatype-intro and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/#datatype-overrides
17:13:17 <mhausenblas> ... as well as http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/#non-string-columns
17:13:35 <mhausenblas> ... and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/#natural-mapping
17:17:05 <mhausenblas> (Eric and Richard still discuss the datatype mapping sections re normative and informative)
17:18:28 <mhausenblas> Richard: Eric, how about if we say that DM only applies to SQL 2008 datatypes
17:18:43 <mhausenblas> ... core part
17:19:07 <mhausenblas> q?
17:23:24 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
17:24:20 <mhausenblas> Michael: Our VoIP system again, damn
17:24:30 <mhausenblas> Michael: give us a moment please
17:24:53 <mhausenblas> Michael: I don't know what was the last thing you heared
17:25:08 <Souri> If this point is not normative anyway (b/c it addresses data type outside SQL core 2008?), what's the harm in just marking that point as informative?
17:25:18 <mhausenblas> Zakim, code?
17:25:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), mhausenblas
17:25:45 <Souri> q+
17:25:51 <Zakim> +??P2
17:26:00 <cygri> zakim, ??P2 is me
17:26:00 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
17:26:33 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy:?
17:26:33 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, MacTed.
17:27:02 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
17:27:12 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: cygri (76%), Ashok_Malhotra (4%), Souri (10%), EricP (62%)
17:27:34 <Souri> Zakim, who's noisy?
17:27:45 <Zakim> Souri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: cygri (94%), Ashok_Malhotra (4%), Marcelo (57%), EricP (84%)
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17:28:15 <mhausenblas_> Zakim, code?
17:28:15 <Zakim> the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), mhausenblas_
17:28:36 <Zakim> + +539149aabb
17:28:36 <Zakim> -cygri
17:29:07 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is mhausenblas 
17:29:07 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
17:29:19 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:29:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:32:09 <mhausenblas> Richard: In essence it is about the fallback handling of unknown, vendor-specific extensions (just use the string representation)
17:32:42 <juansequeda> +1 to RIchard's analogy to HTML
17:32:51 <dmcneil> +q
17:33:17 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil 
17:33:39 <mhausenblas> Michael: Let's see what other reasons there might be to not go CR today
17:33:43 <mhausenblas> q?
17:33:47 <mhausenblas> ack Souri 
17:34:28 <mhausenblas> David: If my impl casts to str and I always return "" is this compliant?
17:34:34 <mhausenblas> Richard: Yes
17:36:14 <mhausenblas> Michael: Isn't the impl experience part of the next phase?
17:36:45 <mhausenblas> Ivan: Boarder-line - if this is known in advance, then we should avoid it
17:37:06 <ivan> s/Boarder/Border/
17:37:29 <mhausenblas> (Eric and Richard continue the discussion around datatypes - seems to have shifted to re implementation)
17:38:18 <mhausenblas> Ivan: I've heard the arguments already a thousand times -  can we deliver, now?
17:38:35 <ivan> q+
17:38:43 <mhausenblas> ack Ivan
17:39:02 <mhausenblas> Ivan: I've sent in comments on DM, most of which has been taken care of by Juan
17:39:16 <mhausenblas> ... though on the set theoretical stuff
17:39:25 <mhausenblas> Eric: I took care of it, yes
17:39:27 <mhausenblas> q?
17:39:46 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The WG believes that all issues that have been brought up during the LC phase concerning R2RML and DM - as recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call   - have been addressed.
17:40:00 <ivan> +1
17:40:24 <mhausenblas> Dave: Not all have been addressed
17:40:43 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:40:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:40:45 <cygri> q+
17:40:54 <mhausenblas> q?
17:41:20 <mhausenblas> Ivan: The proposal is about comments outside from the WG
17:41:24 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
17:41:45 <mhausenblas> Richard: David, I addressed most of your issues as well (but didn't find time to react to them via mail)
17:42:21 <mhausenblas> Richard: the unresolved ones are naming of classes and regarding parent-child referencing object maps
17:42:29 <mhausenblas> q?
17:43:47 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/diffs/1.187-1.188.html
17:44:16 <mhausenblas> Ivan: As far as I'm concerned we have addressed all the technical issues
17:44:34 <mhausenblas> ... David's comment is re implementations have been done properly
17:45:02 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The WG decides to transition the two REC-Track documents R2RML and DM to CR as of the W3C Process Document.
17:45:12 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The WG decides to ask the W3C Director to announce the Call  for Implementations to the Advisory Committee.
17:45:29 <dmcneil> +q
17:46:03 <cygri> q+
17:46:57 <Souri> What is the deadline?
17:47:16 <mhausenblas> q?
17:47:29 <Souri> +1 to ericP's suggestion
17:47:36 <cygri> ack me
17:47:44 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil 
17:48:48 <mhausenblas> David: can the naming stuff be done after CR?
17:48:55 <mhausenblas> Michael: No, we need to do it now
17:50:04 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The WG believes that all issues that have been brought up  during the LC phase concerning R2RML and DM - as recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call  - have been addressed.
17:50:12 <cygri> +1
17:50:16 <ivan> +1
17:50:17 <nunolopes> +1
17:50:19 <ericP> +1
17:50:20 <juansequeda> +1
17:50:21 <MacTed> +1
17:50:23 <joerg> +1
17:50:24 <Souri> +1
17:50:30 <Ashok> +1
17:50:31 <Seema> +1
17:50:33 <boris> +1
17:50:40 <dmcneil> +1
17:50:45 <ivan> RESOLVED: The WG believes that all issues that have been brought up  during the LC phase concerning R2RML and DM - as recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call  - have been addressed.
17:50:53 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The WG decides to transition the two REC-Track documents  R2RML and DM to CR as of the W3C Process Document.
17:51:38 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The WG decides to transition of the two REC-Track documents  R2RML and DM to CR as of the W3C Process Document pending review from David of Richard's implementation of R2RML sections
17:51:53 <ivan> +1
17:51:55 <cygri> +1
17:52:01 <Souri> +1
17:52:04 <nunolopes> +1
17:52:06 <boris> +1
17:52:13 <dmcneil> +1
17:52:16 <MacTed> +1
17:52:16 <ericP> +1
17:52:18 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:52:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:52:19 <joerg> +1
17:52:27 <ivan> RESOLVED: The WG decides to transition of the two REC-Track documents  R2RML and DM to CR as of the W3C Process Document pending review from David of Richard's implementation of R2RML sections
17:53:37 <mhausenblas> Ivan: Chairs, now is a good time to start negotiation with the W3C management
17:53:49 <mhausenblas> Ashok: Yes
17:53:56 <mhausenblas> q?
17:54:14 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:54:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:54:24 <cygri> q+ to ask about SotD section
17:54:31 <mhausenblas> q?
17:54:51 <mhausenblas> Michael: all the record of LC is on http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call
17:54:58 <mhausenblas> q?
17:56:51 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to review http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call and make sure it is in sync with directMapping/LC
17:56:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Review http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call and make sure it is in sync with directMapping/LC [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-01-31].
17:57:24 <mhausenblas> ACTION Ashok to start negotations re CR with W3CM based on http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call after Editors have cleaned up and David gave thumbs up
17:57:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-190 - Start negotations re CR with W3CM based on http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call after Editors have cleaned up and David gave thumbs up [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2012-01-31].
17:57:44 <mhausenblas> q?
17:57:46 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
17:57:46 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask about SotD section
17:59:01 <mhausenblas> Michael: SoTD and title should be updated, yes
18:00:04 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/
18:00:08 <dmcneil> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/
18:00:10 <cygri> $Id: Overview.html,v 1.188 2012/01/24 17:05:54 rcygania2 Exp $
18:00:10 <Zakim> -Ivan
18:00:11 <Zakim> -seema
18:00:12 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
18:00:13 <mhausenblas> [meeting adjourned]
18:00:14 <Zakim> -juansequeda
18:00:17 <Zakim> -EricP
18:00:20 <Zakim> -MacTed
18:00:21 <Zakim> -joerg
18:00:25 <dmcneil> $Id: Overview.html,v 1.188 2012/01/24 17:05:54 rcygania2 Exp $
18:00:49 <Zakim> -Souri
18:00:51 <Zakim> -dmcneil
18:00:52 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
18:00:55 <Zakim> -Marcelo
18:00:56 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
18:00:58 <Zakim> Attendees were MacTed, mhausenblas, EricP, nunolopes, Ivan, cygri, boris, dmcneil, Ashok_Malhotra, joerg, seema, Souri, +1.562.714.aaaa, juansequeda, Marcelo, +539149aabb
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18:13:32 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
18:13:32 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:13:32 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
18:13:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:13:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-minutes.html trackbot
18:13:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:13:36 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-actions.rdf :
18:13:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to review http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call and make sure it is in sync with directMapping/LC [1]
18:13:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/24-RDB2RDF-irc#T17-56-51