IRC log of RDB2RDF on 2012-01-17
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/01/17-RDB2RDF-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 7322733
- 17:03:30 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
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- Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 17 January 2012
- 17:03:38 [ivan]
- zakim, dial ivan-voip
- 17:03:38 [Zakim]
- ok, ivan; the call is being made
- 17:04:34 [mhausenblas]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jan/0020.html
- 17:04:55 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, who's here?
- 17:04:55 [Zakim]
- SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has not yet started, mhausenblas
- 17:04:57 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Seema, juansequeda, joerg, Ashok_Malhotra, dmcneil, cygri, LeeF, mhausenblas, ivan, iv_an_ru, betehess, trackbot, ericP
- 17:05:12 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, this will be SW_RDB2RDF
- 17:05:12 [Zakim]
- ok, mhausenblas, I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM already started
- 17:05:16 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, who's here?
- 17:05:16 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see dmcneil, EricP, Ivan, mhausenblas
- 17:05:17 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Seema, juansequeda, joerg, Ashok_Malhotra, dmcneil, cygri, LeeF, mhausenblas, ivan, iv_an_ru, betehess, trackbot, ericP
- 17:05:25 [mhausenblas]
- Chair: Michael
- 17:05:30 [mhausenblas]
- scribenick: mhausenblas
- 17:05:37 [mhausenblas]
- present+ David
- 17:05:42 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Eric
- 17:05:46 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Ivan
- 17:05:49 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Richard
- 17:05:52 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Michael
- 17:05:57 [Zakim]
- +??P10
- 17:06:02 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 17:06:02 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/17-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 17:06:08 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, please make logs public
- 17:06:24 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, ??P10 is joerg
- 17:06:24 [Zakim]
- +joerg; got it
- 17:06:30 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Joerg
- 17:06:48 [mhausenblas]
- regrets+ Marcelo
- 17:07:02 [Zakim]
- +seema
- 17:07:04 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, cygri is with me
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- +cygri; got it
- 17:07:18 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Seema
- 17:07:47 [Zakim]
- +Ashok_Malhotra
- 17:07:59 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Ashok
- 17:08:06 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/17-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 17:08:38 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: Admin
- 17:08:40 [mhausenblas]
- PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
- 17:09:03 [mhausenblas]
- RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
- 17:09:12 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: Pending review issues
- 17:09:18 [mhausenblas]
- https://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/pendingreview
- 17:09:27 [mhausenblas]
- ISSUE-57?
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- ISSUE-57 -- R2RML doesn't allow R2RML documents in RDF/XML syntax -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/57
- 17:09:41 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION-181?
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- ACTION-181 -- Richard Cyganiak to implement ISSUE-57 resolution -- due 2011-12-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/181
- 17:10:30 [mhausenblas]
- close ACTION-181
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- ACTION-181 Implement ISSUE-57 resolution closed
- 17:10:46 [mhausenblas]
- ISSUE-68?
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- ISSUE-68 -- Multiple PredicateMaps in a PredicateObjectMap -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/68
- 17:11:02 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION-183?
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- ACTION-183 -- Richard Cyganiak to implement the resolution to ISSUE-68 -- due 2012-01-17 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/183
- 17:11:17 [mhausenblas]
- ISSUE-70?
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- ISSUE-70 -- Behaviour of fully qualified column names in rr:sqlQuery -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/70
- 17:11:21 [Zakim]
- +??P20
- 17:11:52 [ivan]
- zakim, ??P20 is Souri
- 17:11:52 [Zakim]
- +Souri; got it
- 17:12:11 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Souri
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- +juansequeda
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- 17:12:32 [cygri]
- ACTION: cygri to implement ericP's change to vendor extension note: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jan/0023.html
- 17:12:32 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-185 - Implement ericP's change to vendor extension note: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jan/0023.html [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-01-24].
- 17:12:39 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Juan
- 17:13:16 [Souri]
- zakim, mute me
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- Souri should now be muted
- 17:13:18 [mhausenblas]
- ISSUE-71?
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- ISSUE-71 -- Column name collisions between child and parent queries in RefObjectMaps -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/71
- 17:13:47 [mhausenblas]
- ISSUE-73?
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- ISSUE-73 -- Section 11 cleanup -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/73
- 17:14:41 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION-174?
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- ACTION-174 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to implement ISSUE-69 resolution in DM -- due 2011-12-02 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/174
- 17:15:02 [mhausenblas]
- close ACTION-174
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- ACTION-174 Implement ISSUE-69 resolution in DM closed
- 17:15:34 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION-185?
- 17:15:34 [trackbot]
- ACTION-185 -- Richard Cyganiak to implement ericP's change to vendor extension note: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jan/0023.html -- due 2012-01-24 -- OPEN
- 17:15:34 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/185
- 17:15:49 [cygri]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jan/0023.html
- 17:16:39 [mhausenblas]
- Richard: Hope that the proposed text addresses Eric's concern
- 17:16:43 [ivan]
- For the minutes: We will add one more sentence to the end of this Note (plus some wording tweaks). It will then read:
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- [[
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- Note: R2RML extensions that handle vendor-specific types or user-defined types beyond the standard SQL 2008 datatypes are expected to do so by behaving as if the table above contained additional rows that associate the SQL datatypes with appropriate RDF-compatible datatypes (e.g., the XML Schema built-in types [XMLSCHEMA2]), and appropriate lexical transformations where required. Note however that future versions of R2RML may also normatively add additional row
- 17:16:45 [ivan]
- s to this table.
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- ]]
- 17:16:47 [mhausenblas]
- Eric: Agreed
- 17:16:57 [mhausenblas]
- Ashok: How do we proceed here?
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- Richard: Expect my updates till end of week
- 17:17:32 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION-167
- 17:17:39 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION-167?
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- ACTION-167 -- Juan Sequeda to look at the comments 9, 11 and 15 and reply to them officially -- due 2011-11-15 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/167
- 17:18:39 [mhausenblas]
- close ACTION-167
- 17:18:39 [trackbot]
- ACTION-167 Look at the comments 9, 11 and 15 and reply to them officially closed
- 17:19:09 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Juan to make sure comments 9, 11 and 15 are in the correct DM document
- 17:19:10 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-186 - Make sure comments 9, 11 and 15 are in the correct DM document [on Juan Sequeda - due 2012-01-24].
- 17:19:47 [cygri]
- ACTION: cygri to review/incorporate Ashok's changes from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jan/0019.html
- 17:19:47 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-187 - Review/incorporate Ashok's changes from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jan/0019.html [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-01-24].
- 17:20:06 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: Towards CR
- 17:22:19 [mhausenblas]
- Ivan: We can only take the CR resolution when the docs are ready/frozen
- 17:22:36 [mhausenblas]
- Ivan: R2RML as per Richard will be available by end of week
- 17:22:53 [mhausenblas]
- Ivan: Is DM ready by end of week as well?
- 17:22:56 [mhausenblas]
- Juan: Yes
- 17:23:22 [mhausenblas]
- Ivan: So, we can review the documents starting on Friday 20
- 17:23:24 [Souri]
- Let us do a review first. I am particularly concerned if we have rich examples illustrating schema-qualified and case-sensitive SQL identifiers, esp. in the DM doc.
- 17:23:57 [ericP]
- i suspect that i should delete some text nicely flagged in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/LC/Overview#defn-reference_property_IRI
- 17:26:15 [cygri]
- Sections that still have changes pending: SotD, 6.3, 10, 11, B.2
- 17:28:08 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: The plan would be that if by this Friday the docs are ready/frozen, everyone, but esp. David should review and send in comments by CoB Monday 23 Jan and the Editors address them till next week's meeting
- 17:29:19 [juansequeda]
- http://jay.w3.org/~eric/Overview.xml.diffr1=1.35;r2=1.36;f=h.html
- 17:29:37 [mhausenblas]
- (Editors trying to figure what really changes)
- 17:29:59 [Souri]
- q+
- 17:30:53 [mhausenblas]
- ack Souri
- 17:31:13 [mhausenblas]
- Souri: My concern is re section 2 - examples
- 17:32:02 [mhausenblas]
- ... we have to be careful about these
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- ... we need to make sure that it's covered in the TC as well
- 17:32:57 [cygri]
- q+
- 17:33:06 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: Can I ask one Editor from each document to inform the WG on Friday when they freeze the documents?
- 17:33:07 [mhausenblas]
- q?
- 17:33:43 [mhausenblas]
- ack cygri
- 17:33:48 [mhausenblas]
- q+ re process
- 17:34:42 [mhausenblas]
- Richard: if not double-quoted then it's case insensitive, yielding a canonical all upper-case
- 17:35:09 [juansequeda]
- +q to ask if the fastest solution is to put all examples in uppercase and therefore the resulting RDF also in uppercase?
- 17:35:12 [Souri]
- "People" => translates to "PEOPLE"
- 17:35:28 [mhausenblas]
- ack me
- 17:35:28 [Zakim]
- mhausenblas, you wanted to discuss process
- 17:35:33 [ivan]
- q+
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- q?
- 17:36:55 [ivan]
- q-
- 17:37:01 [mhausenblas]
- q?
- 17:38:20 [cygri]
- ericP++
- 17:38:23 [mhausenblas]
- ack juansequeda
- 17:38:23 [Zakim]
- juansequeda, you wanted to ask if the fastest solution is to put all examples in uppercase and therefore the resulting RDF also in uppercase?
- 17:38:34 [Souri]
- q+
- 17:38:39 [dmcneil]
- +q
- 17:38:41 [mhausenblas]
- ack Souri
- 17:38:58 [Zakim]
- -mhausenblas
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- mhausenblas_ has joined #rdb2rdf
- 17:39:47 [dmcneil]
- no
- 17:40:02 [mhausenblas_]
- Phone (VoIP) is dead
- 17:40:10 [mhausenblas_]
- I can't continue
- 17:40:22 [cygri]
- zakim, what's the number?
- 17:40:22 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, cygri.
- 17:40:26 [mhausenblas_]
- neither chairing nor scribing
- 17:40:56 [dmcneil]
- +1-617-761-6200
- 17:41:06 [mhausenblas_]
- I guess we're more or less done?
- 17:41:19 [dmcneil]
- eric & souri are talking now
- 17:41:20 [cygri]
- zakim, what's the code?
- 17:41:20 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri
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- +??P4
- 17:41:45 [cygri]
- zakim, ??P4 is me
- 17:41:45 [Zakim]
- +cygri; got it
- 17:41:50 [cygri]
- zakim, mhausenblas is with me
- 17:41:50 [Zakim]
- +mhausenblas; got it
- 17:42:41 [dmcneil]
- +q
- 17:42:50 [ivan]
- ack dmcneil
- 17:42:51 [mhausenblas]
- ack dmcneil
- 17:43:14 [ericP]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/LC/Overview
- 17:43:15 [mhausenblas]
- David: Can't tell if there was a gap or only make the examples consitent?
- 17:43:26 [mhausenblas]
- ericP: making it consitent
- 17:43:57 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/17-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 17:44:03 [mhausenblas]
- q?
- 17:44:06 [Ashok_Malhotra]
- s/consitent/consistent/
- 17:44:51 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: Editors please let us know when the frozen documents are ready for review, everyone please send in comments by CoB 23 Jan!
- 17:44:57 [Zakim]
- -dmcneil
- 17:44:59 [Zakim]
- -Souri
- 17:45:00 [mhausenblas]
- (meeting adjourned)
- 17:45:00 [Zakim]
- -EricP
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- -seema
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- -cygri
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- -joerg
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- -Ivan
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- -juansequeda
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- -Ashok_Malhotra
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- SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were dmcneil, EricP, Ivan, mhausenblas, joerg, seema, cygri, Ashok_Malhotra, Souri, juansequeda
- 17:45:34 [mhausenblas]
- trackbot, end telecon
- 17:46:00 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 17:46:00 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/17-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
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