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13:25:26 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:25:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
13:25:27 <trackbot> Date: 11 January 2012
13:27:59 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:28:32 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2012Jan/0001.html
13:29:19 <shadi> agenda+ Status-check on EARL 1.0 drafts
13:29:19 <shadi> agenda+ Status-check on EARL 1.0 test suites
13:29:19 <shadi> agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
13:29:34 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:29:34 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:29:35 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:29:36 <Zakim> +Shadi
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13:34:08 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
13:34:25 <shadi> zakim, ??p10 is philipA
13:34:25 <Zakim> +philipA; got it
13:34:46 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:35:47 <shadi> scribe: cstrobbe 
13:35:54 <shadi> agenda?
13:36:21 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:36:21 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Status-check on EARL 1.0 drafts" taken up [from shadi]
13:36:54 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011Dec/0000.html
13:38:02 <cstrobbe> SAZ: There have also been some exchanges on the DOAP mailing list.
13:38:38 <cstrobbe> SAZ: No significant issues from that side.
13:39:44 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20111205
13:39:51 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20111205
13:40:15 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Schema and Guide: new drafts dated 5 December.
13:40:41 <cstrobbe> SAZ: You can recognise the same terms in the Schema and the Guide, but the Guide has more examples, as requested by commenters.
13:41:16 <cstrobbe> SAZ: more context around the schema; the Schema itself should remain short, e.g. to allow people to quickly look up definitions.
13:41:29 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Anyone looked at these drafts?
13:42:25 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Can people have a look at it this week? Schema: changes are mostly editorial. See also the list of issues in the agenda. So you don't need to do a very detailed review.
13:43:13 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Guide has been updated to section 3.2.
13:43:16 <shadi> Guide until section 3.2
13:44:41 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Guide: look at approach and tone. Look at section 3.1 and 3.2 more for the approach.
13:45:10 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:45:10 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Status-check on EARL 1.0 test suites" taken up [from shadi]
13:45:24 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/tests/
13:46:10 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Talked about test suites before the holiday break. See the current list at http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/tests/ 
13:46:30 <shadi> http://w3c-test.org/framework/
13:47:09 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Separately, in the WAI-ACT project, we are looking at the accessibility support database and looking to reusing the W3C test framework. 
13:47:26 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Fraunhofer team looking at W3C test framework.
13:48:01 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Test framework possibly more geared towards browser-based specs rather than EARL (RDF).
13:48:35 <cstrobbe> SAZ: WG will later need to decide about installing an instance of this framework or another tool.
13:49:23 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Question to participants: look into your respective projects / implementations to see if you have test files that can be submitted.
13:49:34 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/tests/test0003.rdf
13:50:01 <cstrobbe> SAZ: test 0003 has an error
13:50:18 <cstrobbe> CS: corrected version available in mailing list archive.
13:50:51 <cstrobbe> SAZ: developers check that they can output EARL; other tools check if they can consume EARL.
13:52:46 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Feed the tools with different types of input to get different types of output; so, ideally not created by hand.
13:53:16 <cstrobbe> SAZ: some manual tweaking may be necessary, e.g. no reports for existing websites (replace with example.org)
13:53:24 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Timeline?
13:54:26 <cstrobbe> CV: Most realistic time period is February.
13:55:46 <cstrobbe> CS: EARL reports can be created right away, but need to check whether all required data are included, e.g. identification of the tool.
13:56:21 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Some variability is OK; 50 EARL reports that have the same structure is not very interesting.
13:56:39 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Every test file would need to demonstrate a different use of EARL.
13:57:32 <cstrobbe> CS: Timeline: probably starting middle of next week.
13:57:49 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Will also contact Kostas for files from the ACCESSIBLE tools.
13:58:39 <cstrobbe> CV: Vangelis looking into test harness etc. Maybe also applicable here.
13:59:16 <shadi> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/testframework/
14:03:06 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Focus should currently be on producing EARL tests rather than finding a tool.
14:05:56 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
14:05:58 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:06:00 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:06:01 <Zakim> -philipA
14:06:03 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:06:05 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, philipA, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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14:13:29 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:13:29 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:13:29 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:13:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:13:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/11-er-minutes.html trackbot
14:13:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:13:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items