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17:00:58 <Andi> rrsagent, make logs public
17:01:06 <Andi> rrsagent, make log world
17:01:14 <Andi> Scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver
17:01:20 <Andi> ScribeNick: Andi
17:01:30 <Andi> Meeting: AAPI 
17:01:37 <Andi> Chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
17:02:30 <Andi> agenda - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2011Dec/0007.html
17:16:45 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
17:17:24 <Andi> topic: testing
17:17:33 <Andi> CS: think our test cases are the same as ARIA test cases
17:17:45 <Andi> CS: will be talking about this at F2F
17:19:24 <Andi> AS: do we have to have 2 implementations of each column in the UAIG?
17:20:14 <Andi> AS: look at the ARIA test cases, compare to UAIG spec, identify any holes
17:20:25 <Andi> action: Andi to find out where the test cases are
17:20:40 <Andi> action: Andi to talk to Michael about the 2 implementation question
17:22:10 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
17:22:12 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
17:22:12 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)12:00PM has ended
17:22:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly
17:22:19 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
17:22:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-aapi-minutes.html Andi
17:54:01 <Andi> zakim, bye
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17:54:04 <Andi> rrsagent, bye
17:54:04 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-aapi-actions.rdf :
17:54:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andi to find out where the test cases are [1]
17:54:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-aapi-irc#T17-20-25
17:54:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andi to talk to Michael about the 2 implementation question [2]
17:54:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-aapi-irc#T17-20-40
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19:55:21 <Char> zakim, this will be aapi
19:55:21 <Zakim> ok, Char; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
19:55:28 <Char> rrsagent, make logs public
19:55:36 <Char> Meeting: aapi
19:55:45 <Char> Chair: Cynthia Shelly
19:55:53 <Char> zakim, who's here?
19:55:53 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has not yet started, Char
19:55:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, cyns, trackbot, jkiss, Char, Andi, MichaelC, davidb
19:56:05 <Char> zakim, who's on the phone?
19:56:05 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has not yet started, Char
19:56:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, cyns, trackbot, jkiss, Char, Andi, MichaelC, davidb
19:57:00 <Char> rrsagent, bookmark
19:57:00 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-aapi-irc#T19-57-00
19:58:59 <Char> zakim, who's on the phone?
19:58:59 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has not yet started, Char
19:59:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, cyns, trackbot, jkiss, Char, Andi, MichaelC, davidb
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19:59:42 <davidb> what's the code?
19:59:51 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
19:59:57 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
20:00:00 <Char> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:00:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Mozilla]
20:00:02 <davidb> got it
20:00:09 <MichaelC> MichaelC has left #aapi
20:00:10 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
20:00:10 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
20:00:29 <Char> zakim, who's here?
20:00:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_Bolter
20:00:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcraig, Zakim, RRSAgent, cyns, trackbot, jkiss, Char, Andi, davidb
20:01:12 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:01:42 <cyns> Zakim, microsoft has me
20:01:42 <Zakim> +cyns; got it
20:02:47 <Char> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_Bolter, [Microsoft]
20:02:49 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has cyns
20:05:56 <Zakim> +??P7
20:06:19 <cyns> Zakim, P7 is jkiss
20:06:22 <Zakim> sorry, cyns, I do not recognize a party named 'P7'
20:06:29 <cyns> Zakim, ??P7 is jkiss
20:06:29 <Zakim> +jkiss; got it
20:08:36 <davidb> JK: need clarification if mac roles are expected to be as they are mapped now, or as they should be.
20:08:57 <davidb> CS: ARIA guide doesn't make the distinction between what is and what isn't implemented
20:09:14 <Zakim> +[Apple]
20:09:26 <jcraig> Zakim, Apple has jcraig
20:09:26 <Zakim> +jcraig; got it
20:09:34 <davidb> CS: we'll have test cases to show interoeprability
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20:09:50 <davidb> CS: interoperability implies correctness
20:09:51 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
20:10:12 <jcraig> Zakim, Microsoft.a has Larry
20:10:12 <Zakim> +Larry; got it
20:10:59 <davidb> CS: ARIA version of the document indicates what 'should be'.
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20:13:29 <davidb> JC: want to be careful that people understand why mac mappings are the way they are.
20:13:33 <cyns> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
20:13:47 <davidb> JK: ARIA or HTML?
20:14:10 <davidb> clarification is for HTML
20:14:16 <davidb> Less concern.
20:14:40 <davidb> JC: [discusses some details related to CSS]
20:15:27 <davidb> JK: a p element is an AxGroup, and the text inside is a static text.
20:15:33 <davidb> JC: [confirms]
20:16:01 <davidb> (JC will look over HTML mapping)
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20:17:50 <jkiss> http://www.accessibleculture.org/misc-tests/w3c/html-api/html5-api-elements-mac-actual.html
20:18:20 <davidb> JC: in places where you think there is discrepancy, please file a bug or email me.
20:19:13 <davidb> JC: the Ax role descriptions are localized, and based on verbosity.
20:20:10 <jcraig> http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Accessibility/Conceptual/AccessibilityMacOSX/OSXAXModel/OSXAXmodel.html
20:20:25 <jcraig> "The Mac OS X Accessibility Protocol"
20:23:17 <jkiss> http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Reference/Accessibility_RoleAttribute_Ref/Introduction.html
20:23:26 <jkiss> "Accessibility Roles and Attributes Reference"
20:23:34 <jcraig> http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Reference/Accessibility_RoleAttribute_Ref/Attributes.html
20:25:38 <davidb> (discussion of actions)
20:26:29 <cyns> Action items for next week:  James to Review Jason's Mac updates.  Cynthia and Larry to review and update UIA column.  David to review and update IA2 column.
20:26:29 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
20:27:33 <jcraig> jkiss, see the "columnheader" reference in the ARIA Impl Guide. There is a piece missing from the HTML table.
20:28:04 <cyns> cynthia to to Mike Smith and Michael cooper about whether this doc is on rec track, and whether that matters for documenting implemented vs. proposed mappings.
20:28:11 <jcraig> a table references its headings via pointers to the heading cells 
20:36:00 <Zakim> -[Apple]
20:36:21 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
20:36:22 <Zakim> -jkiss
20:36:22 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
20:36:34 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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20:36:38 <Zakim> Attendees were David_Bolter, cyns, jkiss, jcraig, [Microsoft], Larry
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20:37:22 <cyns> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:37:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-aapi-minutes.html cyns
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