ISSUE-142: LC comment: rdfs:Graph ? comment

LC comment: rdfs:Graph ? comment

State:
CLOSED
Product:
RDF Semantics
Raised by:
Guus Schreiber
Opened on:
2013-09-11
Description:
Comment by Jeremy Carroll:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Jul/0021.html

This is a formal comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset, and it appears a comment on
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-schema/index.html
and quite possibly on the RDF Semantics ….

It seems to be a suggestion to reopen issue 35
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/35
which points to
http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/
hence I am CC-ing dawg.
The last part of this message discusses problems in using service description to meet my use case: to me, this is not a comment on DAWG's work, but a comment that RDF Core cannot use DAWG's work of more limited scope to duck the issue.


Summary: I would like to use rdf to describe graphs in a dataset, e.g. to say who the author was.

as a simple example

my:graph {
my:graph dc:creator "Jeremy J. Carroll" .
}

I cannot see how to do this with the current drafts, editors drafts, etc.

A possible approach would be to reopen issue 35 and have a class rdfs:Graph, s.t. for a <URI> used as the name of a graph in a dataset the triple
<URI> rdf:type rdfs:Graph
holds.
More weakly, I would be satisfied with such a concept being added to the RDF vocabulary, without the implication above holding, but a suggested usage pattern.

Also, I basically finished this message before finding issue 35 and it's superficially reasonable resolution that sd:Graph may meet my needs. This suggests that some documentation link from either RDF Concepts or RDF Schema or RDF Semantics to SPARQL Service Description would be helpful ….
However, the Service Description doc
http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/
ducks on the issue of whether the name denotes the graph, and so does not give me a clear place to put such metadata.
I think if the RDF WG tried writing such documentation, they would discover that the resolution of issue 35 would unravel - the trick is to allow such unravelling without having too much of the named graphs work unravel.
Related Actions Items:
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Related emails:
  1. RDF-ISSUE-167 (stronger dataset semantics): Stronger semantics of RDF Datasets? [RDF Semantics] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2013-10-23)
  2. Re: telecon 23 Oct: draft agenda & preparation (from guus.schreiber@vu.nl on 2013-10-23)
  3. Re: telecon 23 Oct: draft agenda & preparation (from pfpschneider@gmail.com on 2013-10-23)
  4. Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35 (ISSUE-142) (from guus.schreiber@vu.nl on 2013-10-21)
  5. Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35 (ISSUE-142) (from jjc@syapse.com on 2013-10-21)
  6. Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35 (ISSUE-142) (from guus.schreiber@vu.nl on 2013-10-21)
  7. Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35 (ISSUE-142) (from jjc@syapse.com on 2013-10-18)
  8. Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35 (ISSUE-142) (from jjc@syapse.com on 2013-10-16)
  9. Fwd: Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35 (ISSUE-142) (from guus.schreiber@vu.nl on 2013-10-16)
  10. Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35 (ISSUE-142) (from guus.schreiber@vu.nl on 2013-10-16)
  11. Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35 (ISSUE-142) (from pfpschneider@gmail.com on 2013-10-14)
  12. Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35 (ISSUE-142) (from jjc@syapse.com on 2013-10-14)
  13. Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35 (ISSUE-142) (from pfpschneider@gmail.com on 2013-10-11)
  14. Re: status of Jeremy's main comments (ISSUE-142 and ISSUE-151) and two proposed responses (from guus.schreiber@vu.nl on 2013-10-11)
  15. Re: status of Jeremy's main comments (ISSUE-142 and ISSUE-151) and two proposed responses (from sandro@w3.org on 2013-10-11)
  16. Re: status of Jeremy's main comments (ISSUE-142 and ISSUE-151) and two proposed responses (from pfpschneider@gmail.com on 2013-10-10)
  17. Re: status of Jeremy's main comments (ISSUE-142 and ISSUE-151) and two proposed responses (from ivan@w3.org on 2013-10-10)
  18. Re: status of Jeremy's main comments (ISSUE-142 and ISSUE-151) and two proposed responses (from phayes@ihmc.us on 2013-10-09)
  19. Re: status of Jeremy's main comments (ISSUE-142 and ISSUE-151) and two proposed responses (from pfpschneider@gmail.com on 2013-10-09)
  20. Re: status of Jeremy's main comments (ISSUE-142 and ISSUE-151) and two proposed responses (from sandro@w3.org on 2013-10-09)
  21. status of Jeremy's main comments (ISSUE-142 and ISSUE-151) and two proposed responses (from pfpschneider@gmail.com on 2013-10-09)
  22. Re: RDF-ISSUE-142: rdfs:Graph ? comment [RDF Semantics] (from pfpschneider@gmail.com on 2013-10-02)
  23. Re: RDF-ISSUE-142: rdfs:Graph ? comment [RDF Semantics] (from phayes@ihmc.us on 2013-10-02)
  24. Re: RDF-ISSUE-142: rdfs:Graph ? comment [RDF Semantics] (from antoine.zimmermann@emse.fr on 2013-10-02)
  25. Re: RDF-ISSUE-142: rdfs:Graph ? comment [RDF Semantics] (from pfpschneider@gmail.com on 2013-10-01)
  26. Re: (proposal) was Re: defn of Named Graph (from sandro@w3.org on 2013-09-26)
  27. Re: (proposal) was Re: defn of Named Graph (from pfpschneider@gmail.com on 2013-09-26)
  28. (proposal) was Re: defn of Named Graph (from sandro@w3.org on 2013-09-26)
  29. Re: defn of Named Graph (from guus.schreiber@vu.nl on 2013-09-25)
  30. RDF-ISSUE-142: rdfs:Graph ? comment [RDF Semantics] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2013-09-11)

Related notes:

Closed over the likely objection of the commenter.

See the two WG responses and the WG resolution:
* http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Aug/0050.html
* http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Oct/0039.html
* https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-10-16#resolution_1

Guus Schreiber, 16 Oct 2013, 17:12:48

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