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15:05:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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15:05:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 5 minutes ago
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15:05:14 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:05:14 <trackbot> Date: 18 May 2011
15:05:15 <cygri> scribe: zwu2
(Scribe set to Zhe Wu)
15:05:21 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:05:26 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
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15:05:56 <zwu2> Topic: admin
15:06:07 <zwu2> Guus: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 11 May telecon:
Guus Schreiber: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 11 May telecon: ←
15:06:09 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
15:06:13 <pfps> minutes look ok to me
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes look ok to me ←
15:06:14 <zwu2> ... http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-05-11
... http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-05-11 ←
15:06:25 <zwu2> Accepted.
Accepted. ←
15:06:31 <zwu2> Topic: Action item review
15:06:42 <zwu2> pending review items: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview
pending review items: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview ←
15:06:52 <MacTed> Zakim, Scott is really hsbauer
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, Scott is really hsbauer ←
15:06:59 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:06:59 <Zakim> I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted
Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted ←
15:07:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus, yvesr (muted), PatH, davidwood, koalie, Bjorn_Bringert, +1.507.261.aacc, AndyS, zwu2, cmatheus, ??P18, ww (muted), pchampin (muted), gavinc, cygri,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus, yvesr (muted), PatH, davidwood, koalie, Bjorn_Bringert, +1.507.261.aacc, AndyS, zwu2, cmatheus, ??P18, ww (muted), pchampin (muted), gavinc, cygri, ←
15:07:05 <Zakim> ... Peter_Patel-Schneider, MacTed (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Peter_Patel-Schneider, MacTed (muted) ←
15:07:07 <zwu2> Guus claim victory on Action 46
Guus claim victory on ACTION-46 ←
15:07:07 <ww> respec++
William Waites: respec++ ←
15:07:20 <PatH> I put a brief text on the wiki re. action 26
Patrick Hayes: I put a brief text on the wiki re. ACTION-26 ←
15:07:31 <zwu2> Topic: action items: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open
15:07:47 <zwu2> action-26?
15:07:47 <trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Patrick Hayes to write an description of action-21 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-26 -- Patrick Hayes to write an description of ACTION-21 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN ←
15:07:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/26
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/26 ←
15:08:45 <zwu2> guus. keep action 26 open
15:08:56 <gavin> ACTION-26?
15:08:56 <trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Patrick Hayes to write an description of action-21 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-26 -- Patrick Hayes to write an description of ACTION-21 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN ←
15:08:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/26
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/26 ←
15:09:27 <zwu2> ACTION-33?
15:09:27 <trackbot> ACTION-33 -- Dan Brickley to danbri, you wanted to note a bug in RDFS spec; it references Primer example 16 -- an example that doesn't even use rdf:value. -- due 2011-08-21 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-33 -- Dan Brickley to danbri, you wanted to note a bug in RDFS spec; it references Primer example 16 -- an example that doesn't even use rdf:value. -- due 2011-08-21 -- OPEN ←
15:09:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/33
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/33 ←
15:09:47 <zwu2> Guus. keep Action 33 open
15:09:52 <gavin> close ACTION-43
Gavin Carothers: close ACTION-43 ←
15:09:52 <trackbot> ACTION-43 Compare/contrast respec vs mediawiki for spec authoring closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-43 Compare/contrast respec vs mediawiki for spec authoring closed ←
15:10:00 <zwu2> Action-43?
15:10:00 <trackbot> ACTION-43 -- Gavin Carothers to compare/contrast respec vs mediawiki for spec authoring -- due 2011-05-11 -- CLOSED
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-43 -- Gavin Carothers to compare/contrast respec vs mediawiki for spec authoring -- due 2011-05-11 -- CLOSED ←
15:10:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/43
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/43 ←
15:10:08 <danbri> oh i'm sorry :( regrets mostly, i'll only be in irc
Dan Brickley: oh i'm sorry :( regrets mostly, i'll only be in irc ←
15:10:19 <zwu2> Guus: asking Gavin for confirmation. can mark the actions closed
Guus Schreiber: asking Gavin for confirmation. can mark the actions closed ←
15:10:25 <zwu2> Action-44?
15:10:25 <trackbot> ACTION-44 -- William Waites to compare/contrast respec vs mediawiki for spec authoring -- due 2011-05-11 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-44 -- William Waites to compare/contrast respec vs mediawiki for spec authoring -- due 2011-05-11 -- OPEN ←
15:10:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/44
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/44 ←
15:10:27 <danbri> (but noted/acked. i'll fix when i put rdfs into merurial repo)
Dan Brickley: (but noted/acked. i'll fix when i put rdfs into merurial repo) ←
15:10:35 <ww> details to follow
William Waites: details to follow ←
15:10:42 <ww> sorry for lateness
William Waites: sorry for lateness ←
15:10:55 <pchampin> same here, I'm affraid :-(
Pierre-Antoine Champin: same here, I'm affraid :-( ←
15:10:56 <zwu2> Guus: we might as well close it
Guus Schreiber: we might as well close it ←
15:11:06 <zwu2> ... we will close it if no objection
... we will close it if no objection ←
15:11:07 <ww> briefly, respec++ :)
William Waites: briefly, respec++ :) ←
15:11:11 <zwu2> Action-45?
15:11:11 <trackbot> ACTION-45 -- Pierre-Antoine Champin to compare/contrast respec vs mediawiki for spec authoring -- due 2011-05-11 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-45 -- Pierre-Antoine Champin to compare/contrast respec vs mediawiki for spec authoring -- due 2011-05-11 -- OPEN ←
15:11:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/45
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/45 ←
15:11:21 <zwu2> Guus: let's take a decision and close it
Guus Schreiber: let's take a decision and close it ←
15:11:30 <PatH> the noise level just increased.
Patrick Hayes: the noise level just increased. ←
15:12:10 <PatH> Look under issue-21
Patrick Hayes: Look under ISSUE-21 ←
15:12:12 <zwu2> Guus. done with action item review
Guus. done with action item review ←
15:12:23 <zwu2> Topic: F2F Poll
15:12:34 <zwu2> Guus: the poll is now closed.
Guus Schreiber: the poll is now closed. ←
15:12:39 <zwu2> ... MIT is the winner
... MIT is the winner ←
15:12:58 <zwu2> ... date wise, very slight preference for Oct 12
... date wise, very slight preference for Oct 12 ←
15:13:12 <zwu2> ... almost the same video link wise
... almost the same video link wise ←
15:13:36 <zwu2> ... I tend to propose Oct 12 at MIT
... I tend to propose Oct 12 at MIT ←
15:13:47 <zwu2> ... anyone want to discuss?
... anyone want to discuss? ←
15:14:58 <zwu2> PROPOSED: second F2F to be held at MIT in Oct 12
PROPOSED: second F2F to be held at MIT in Oct 12 ←
15:15:07 <davidwood> seconded
David Wood: seconded ←
15:15:09 <zwu2> no objections heard
no objections heard ←
15:15:20 <pfps> Given that the F2F is going to be at MIT, can we get some information on reasonably priced hotels?
Peter Patel-Schneider: Given that the F2F is going to be at MIT, can we get some information on reasonably priced hotels? ←
15:15:20 <zwu2> ACCEPTED: second F2F to be held at MIT in Oct 12
RESOLVED: second F2F to be held at MIT in Oct 12 ←
15:15:29 <davidwood> Yes, thanks to Peter.
David Wood: Yes, thanks to Peter. ←
15:15:39 <zwu2> thanks peter for provding an alternate venue
thanks peter for provding an alternate venue ←
15:15:59 <zwu2> Guus. we will dicuss F2F3 in the near future
Guus. we will dicuss F2F3 in the near future ←
15:16:08 <zwu2> Topic: editing documents
15:16:34 <zwu2> Guus. tools have been looked at, any winner?
Guus. tools have been looked at, any winner? ←
15:16:34 <ww> hg + respec
William Waites: hg + respec ←
15:17:03 <zwu2> david: we are defining the default
David Wood: we are defining the default ←
15:17:27 <zwu2> Guus: one is mediawiki
Guus Schreiber: one is mediawiki ←
15:17:45 <zwu2> .. the other is respec
.. the other is respec ←
15:17:50 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:17:59 <zwu2> ... which has some built-in javascript to do some useful stuff, html5 based
... which has some built-in javascript to do some useful stuff, html5 based ←
15:18:01 <gavin> q+
Gavin Carothers: q+ ←
15:18:09 <Guus> ack cygri
Guus Schreiber: ack cygri ←
15:18:19 <zwu2> richard: there is a strong case for version control
Richard Cyganiak: there is a strong case for making a binding decision on editors for version control ←
15:18:46 <ww> problem with wiki is, "how do i use my favorite ${EDITOR}"
William Waites: problem with wiki is, "how do i use my favorite ${EDITOR}" ←
15:18:51 <zwu2> ... edit in html is reasonable
... edit in html is reasonable ←
15:18:59 <davidwood> s/there is a strong case for version control/there is a strong case for making a binding decision on editors for version control/
15:19:06 <zwu2> ... can do it in a text editor or other tools
... can do it in a text editor or other tools ←
15:19:14 <Guus> q+ for reference support
Guus Schreiber: q+ for reference support ←
15:19:34 <PatH> +q
Patrick Hayes: +q ←
15:20:08 <gavin> ack gavin
Gavin Carothers: ack gavin ←
15:20:11 <zwu2> gavin: from the discussions, leaning towards to html5 and javascript
Gavin Carothers: from the discussions, leaning towards to html5 and javascript ←
15:20:23 <zwu2> guus: version control is a good point
Guus Schreiber: version control is a good point ←
15:20:36 <zwu2> ... sandro mentioned that handling cross references is hard
... sandro mentioned that handling cross references is hard ←
15:20:47 <zwu2> ... he wants to agree on reference support
... he wants to agree on reference support ←
15:21:12 <Guus> ack PatH
Guus Schreiber: ack PatH ←
15:21:19 <Guus> ack Guus
Guus Schreiber: ack Guus ←
15:21:19 <Zakim> Guus, you wanted to discuss reference support
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus, you wanted to discuss reference support ←
15:21:22 <zwu2> PatH: I don't like any of these ideas
Patrick Hayes: I don't like any of these ideas ←
15:21:37 <zwu2> ... I will prodcue legal HTML my way
... I will prodcue legal HTML my way ←
15:21:49 <zwu2> Guus. I don't think that is a problem
Guus. I don't think that is a problem ←
15:22:25 <zwu2> ... it is good to keep citations consistent
... it is good to keep citations consistent ←
15:22:46 <zwu2> Davidwood: sandro will be unhappy to tidy up all citations
David Wood: sandro will be unhappy to tidy up all citations ←
15:22:53 <zwu2> ... on other people's behalf
... on other people's behalf ←
15:23:15 <zwu2> Guus. that is the only reason for standardization
Guus. that is the only reason for standardization ←
15:23:29 <zwu2> ... if we use version control, shall we use the same?
... if we use version control, shall we use the same? ←
15:23:41 <zwu2> richard: it makes sense to use a single repository
Richard Cyganiak: it makes sense to use a single repository ←
15:24:02 <PatH> Why does this make sense? Seems to me that it is just an extra burden on editors.
Patrick Hayes: Why does this make sense? Seems to me that it is just an extra burden on editors. ←
15:24:05 <zwu2> ... I would like to know the location to fetch the latest versions
... I would like to know the location to fetch the latest versions ←
15:24:11 <ww> +1 for common repository - but mind that people can still use what they want, git-hg, hg-svn, whatever
William Waites: +1 for common repository - but mind that people can still use what they want, git-hg, hg-svn, whatever ←
15:24:13 <zwu2> Guus: PatH can you live with that?
Guus Schreiber: PatH can you live with that? ←
15:24:29 <gavin> http://mercurial.selenic.com/
Gavin Carothers: http://mercurial.selenic.com/ ←
15:24:30 <gavin> Yes.
Gavin Carothers: Yes. ←
15:24:34 <zwu2> PatH: sure. can someone show me how to do it on a Mac?
Patrick Hayes: sure. can someone show me how to do it on a Mac? ←
15:24:36 <gavin> Runs just fine on a mac
Gavin Carothers: Runs just fine on a mac ←
15:24:42 <zwu2> Davidwood: it runs on Mac
David Wood: it runs on Mac ←
15:25:07 <zwu2> Guus: maybe we can ask someone to provide a tutorial or send a pointer
Guus Schreiber: maybe we can ask someone to provide a tutorial or send a pointer ←
15:25:45 <zwu2> PatH: we did the first version of RDF via emails...
Patrick Hayes: we did the first version of RDF via emails... ←
15:26:16 <gavin> Pat, you are of course welcome to simply do all your work outside of version control and then commit it all at the end ;)
Gavin Carothers: Pat, you are of course welcome to simply do all your work outside of version control and then commit it all at the end ;) ←
15:26:20 <zwu2> Guus: go with HTML, if you want Sandro to do the citations, please use the standard way
Guus Schreiber: go with HTML, if you want Sandro to do the citations, please use the standard way ←
15:26:39 <PatH> I am installing Mercurial now. Sigh.
Patrick Hayes: I am installing Mercurial now. Sigh. ←
15:26:54 <zwu2> :)
:) ←
15:28:05 <ww> scribenick: ww
(Scribe set to William Waites)
15:28:15 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
15:28:24 <ww> guus: one reason to settle this this week...because we need to start editing these documents
Guus Schreiber: one reason to settle this this week...because we need to start editing these documents ←
15:28:32 <ww> ... as long as this delay doesn't prevent us...
... as long as this delay doesn't prevent us... ←
15:28:50 <zwu2> Guus: should not prevent us from editing this week
Guus Schreiber: should not prevent us from editing this week [ Scribe Assist by Zhe Wu ] ←
15:29:29 <zwu2> ... concept document
Zhe Wu: ... concept document ←
15:29:32 <ww> scribenick: zwu2
(Scribe set to Zhe Wu)
15:30:37 <zwu2> Guus: as a general rule, I'd like to replace the names of all editors
Guus Schreiber: as a general rule, I'd like to replace the names of all editors ←
15:30:43 <zwu2> ... how did OWL2 do this?
... how did OWL2 do this? ←
15:30:55 <zwu2> peter: pretty much all documents are fresh
Peter Patel-Schneider: pretty much all documents are fresh ←
15:31:02 <zwu2> Guus: how is it done in SPARQL?
Guus Schreiber: how is it done in SPARQL? ←
15:31:10 <zwu2> too much noise...
too much noise... ←
15:31:11 <AndyS> SPARQL uses xmlspec
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL uses xmlspec ←
15:31:27 <AndyS> and that has prev editor
Andy Seaborne: and that has prev editor ←
15:31:45 <davidwood> See http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#Editors
David Wood: See http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#Editors ←
15:31:58 <zwu2> mainly the question is do we have to convert the old docs to respec,
mainly the question is do we have to convert the old docs to respec, ←
15:32:05 <zwu2> ... before we should put in version control?
... before we should put in version control? ←
15:32:13 <davidwood> W3C Manual of Style, Section 5.2.1 Managing Changing Affiliations
David Wood: W3C Manual of Style, Section 5.2.1 Managing Changing Affiliations ←
15:32:16 <zwu2> ... I understand that converting may be too much work
... I understand that converting may be too much work ←
15:32:29 <zwu2> Guus: that is not a big deal according Gavin
Guus Schreiber: that is not a big deal according Gavin ←
15:32:42 <zwu2> Gavin: no idea how to do the grammar section of Turtle
Gavin Carothers: no idea how to do the grammar section of Turtle ←
15:32:49 <zwu2> ... otherwise, it is easy
... otherwise, it is easy ←
15:33:19 <zwu2> Guus: would be nice to do the conversion, as a token to move forward,
Guus Schreiber: would be nice to do the conversion, as a token to move forward, ←
15:34:00 <zwu2> Guus: PatH please do the same
Guus Schreiber: PatH please do the same ←
15:34:10 <zwu2> ... create a new version of RDF semantics
... create a new version of RDF semantics ←
15:34:18 <zwu2> ... exactly the same as the previous version
... exactly the same as the previous version ←
15:34:21 <zwu2> PatH: I can do it
Patrick Hayes: I can do it ←
15:35:00 <PatH> I have absolutely no idea what the speaker is talking about.
Patrick Hayes: I have absolutely no idea what the speaker is talking about. ←
15:35:02 <zwu2> Davidwood: do we need to change javascript to do it?
David Wood: do we need to change javascript to do it? ←
15:35:11 <zwu2> who is speaking?
who is speaking? ←
15:35:16 <davidwood> Peter
David Wood: Peter ←
15:35:25 <zwu2> which peter?
which peter? ←
15:35:51 <ww> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/ReSpec.js/template.html
William Waites: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/ReSpec.js/template.html ←
15:36:06 <davidwood> Peter Patel-Schneider
David Wood: Peter Patel-Schneider ←
15:36:11 <ww> around line 48 for editors setting
William Waites: around line 48 for editors setting ←
15:36:12 <cygri> is http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Editors up-to-date?
Richard Cyganiak: is http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Editors up-to-date? ←
15:36:13 <zwu2> Guus: if you don't use respec, then you don't need to worry about it
Guus Schreiber: if you don't use respec, then you don't need to worry about it ←
15:36:41 <zwu2> Guus: as far as I know, the list is up to date
Guus Schreiber: as far as I know, the list is up to date ←
15:37:08 <zwu2> davidwood: PathH, you agree to edit the RDF semantics?
David Wood: PathH, you agree to edit the RDF semantics? ←
15:37:37 <PatH> Right, 2 editors, PatH and pfps.
Patrick Hayes: Right, 2 editors, PatH and pfps. ←
15:37:40 <zwu2> PatH: yes
Patrick Hayes: yes ←
15:38:02 <zwu2> Guus: apart from PatH, the doc looks ok
Guus Schreiber: apart from PatH, the doc looks ok ←
15:38:08 <zwu2> Topic: SPARQL Last Call
15:38:12 <zwu2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011May/0192.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011May/0192.html ←
15:38:26 <zwu2> Guus: normally we have two kinds of reviews for LC
Guus Schreiber: normally we have two kinds of reviews for LC ←
15:38:38 <zwu2> ... 1) individual member can comment
... 1) individual member can comment ←
15:38:59 <zwu2> ... 2) the working group can review. have a couple of designated members to review and comment on behalf of the whole WG
... 2) the working group can review. have a couple of designated members to review and comment on behalf of the whole WG ←
15:39:16 <zwu2> ... I prefer to also do the 2)
... I prefer to also do the 2) ←
15:39:25 <zwu2> ... is that necessary?
... is that necessary? ←
15:39:29 <gavin> Graph terminology http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-sparql11-http-rdf-update-20110512/#terminology
Gavin Carothers: Graph terminology http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-sparql11-http-rdf-update-20110512/#terminology ←
15:39:30 <davidwood> I've updated http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Editors
David Wood: I've updated http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Editors ←
15:39:43 <zwu2> ... who wants to do it?
... who wants to do it? ←
15:39:53 <zwu2> ... should be people not in the SPARQL WG
... should be people not in the SPARQL WG ←
15:40:05 <pchampin> what's the deadline?
Pierre-Antoine Champin: what's the deadline? ←
15:40:21 <zwu2> action Guus: send a message to the mailing list
action Guus: send a message to the mailing list ←
15:40:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-47 - Send a message to the mailing list [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-05-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-47 - Send a message to the mailing list [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-05-25]. ←
15:40:33 <yvesr> pchampin, +1, what's the deadline?
Yves Raimond: pchampin, +1, what's the deadline? ←
15:41:26 <Guus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011May/0192.html
Guus Schreiber: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011May/0192.html ←
15:41:36 <ww> [SPARQL] Review comments welcome through 29 July.
William Waites: [SPARQL] Review comments welcome through 29 July. ←
15:42:19 <pchampin> ok thanks
Pierre-Antoine Champin: ok thanks ←
15:42:19 <zwu2> guus: it is a good practice trying give reviews asap
Guus Schreiber: it is a good practice trying give reviews asap ←
15:42:26 <zwu2> ... so that they can keep their schedule
... so that they can keep their schedule ←
15:42:44 <pchampin> +1 to involve Sandro
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 to involve Sandro ←
15:42:46 <SteveH> I'll join
Steve Harris: I'll join ←
15:42:46 <zwu2> ... anyone wants to join the telecon to discuss graph
... anyone wants to join the telecon to discuss graph ←
15:42:48 <pchampin> I'm interested too
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I'm interested too ←
15:42:49 <AndyS> Please avoid semtech dates
Andy Seaborne: Please avoid semtech dates ←
15:43:22 <AndyS> I'm interested (on both sides)
Andy Seaborne: I'm interested (on both sides) ←
15:43:31 <zwu2> ... we have three people agreed. expect sandro to join as well
... we have three people agreed. expect sandro to join as well ←
15:43:49 <zwu2> ... that is all we can do for now.
... that is all we can do for now. ←
15:44:14 <zwu2> ISSUE-40?
15:44:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-40 -- Skolemization advice in the RDF dcocument -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-40 -- Skolemization advice in the RDF dcocument -- raised ←
15:44:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/40
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/40 ←
15:44:20 <zwu2> Topic: ISSUE-40 Skolemization advice in the RDF dcocument
15:44:26 <zwu2> Guus: can we make a agreement?
Guus Schreiber: can we make a agreement? ←
15:44:44 <zwu2> ... let's see if we can move forward
... let's see if we can move forward ←
15:44:54 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization ←
15:45:29 <zwu2> richard: gone through a few iterations
Richard Cyganiak: gone through a few iterations ←
15:45:34 <zwu2> ... by different people,
... by different people, ←
15:45:45 <zwu2> ... the latest version has quite wide support
... the latest version has quite wide support ←
15:45:51 <ww> s/richard/cygri/
15:45:54 <zwu2> ... I don't recall anyone raising objections
... I don't recall anyone raising objections ←
15:46:01 <zwu2> thanks ww
thanks ww ←
15:46:41 <zwu2> Guus: 6.6.1 in that document is the one we are talking about
Guus Schreiber: 6.6.1 in that document is the one we are talking about ←
15:47:19 <zwu2> cygri: your proposal is right under
Richard Cyganiak: your proposal is right under ←
15:47:47 <cygri> ISSUE-12?
15:47:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- open ←
15:47:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/12
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/12 ←
15:47:59 <zwu2> Guus: can the issue owner make a proposal?
Guus Schreiber: can the issue owner make a proposal? ←
15:48:29 <pfps> q+
15:48:32 <pchampin> q+ to notice that the wiki page still lets open the issue of replacing "SteveH" by something
Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+ to notice that the wiki page still lets open the issue of replacing "SteveH" by something ←
15:48:42 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-12 by �adding text to RDF Concepts, per the “Updated Proposal” from http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization#Updated_Proposal
PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-40 by �adding text to RDF Concepts, per the “Updated Proposal” from http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization#Updated_Proposal ←
15:49:05 <zwu2> s/12/40/
15:49:13 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-40 by adding text to RDF Concepts, per the “Updated Proposal” from http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization#Updated_Proposal
PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-40 by adding text to RDF Concepts, per the “Updated Proposal” from http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization#Updated_Proposal ←
15:49:20 <gavin> ISSUE-40?
15:49:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-40 -- Skolemization advice in the RDF dcocument -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-40 -- Skolemization advice in the RDF dcocument -- raised ←
15:49:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/40
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/40 ←
15:49:27 <yvesr> cygri, are we considering PatH's one or the one above?
Yves Raimond: cygri, are we considering PatH's one or the one above? ←
15:49:30 <pfps> q+
15:49:37 <yvesr> there are two different formulations in this doc
Yves Raimond: there are two different formulations in this doc ←
15:49:37 <cygri> yvesr, the first one
Richard Cyganiak: yvesr, the first one ←
15:49:40 <yvesr> ok
Yves Raimond: ok ←
15:49:40 <zwu2> Guus: any more discussion?
Guus Schreiber: any more discussion? ←
15:49:50 <zwu2> pfps: I worry about the wording.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I worry about the wording. ←
15:50:08 <zwu2> ... having trouble find name, I don't think name should be in the text at all
... having trouble find name, I don't think name should be in the text at all ←
15:50:14 <zwu2> guus: is there an easy patch?
Guus Schreiber: is there an easy patch? ←
15:50:21 <cygri> In the RDF abstract syntax, a blank node is just a unique node that can be used in one or more RDF statements, but has no intrinsic name.
Richard Cyganiak: In the RDF abstract syntax, a blank node is just a unique node that can be used in one or more RDF statements, but has no intrinsic name. ←
15:50:29 <zwu2> cygri: I quote something from rdf concept now
Richard Cyganiak: I quote something from rdf concept now ←
15:50:38 <zwu2> ... I repeat the same thing here
... I repeat the same thing here ←
15:50:51 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:50:54 <zwu2> ... it is consistent (probably not the best wording)
... it is consistent (probably not the best wording) ←
15:51:14 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-concepts/#section-URI-Vocabulary
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-concepts/#section-URI-Vocabulary ←
15:51:16 <zwu2> pfps: not sure which RDF concepts doc you are looking at
Peter Patel-Schneider: not sure which RDF concepts doc you are looking at ←
15:51:26 <zwu2> cygri: section 3.2 of the same doc
Richard Cyganiak: section 3.2 of the same doc ←
15:51:37 <zwu2> pfps: seciton 3 is all informal
Peter Patel-Schneider: seciton 3 is all informal ←
15:51:58 <zwu2> cygri: pfps, can you propose a fix?
Richard Cyganiak: pfps, can you propose a fix? ←
15:52:24 <zwu2> pfps: it is not just that one sentence, the whole paragraph has to be carefully crafted
Peter Patel-Schneider: it is not just that one sentence, the whole paragraph has to be carefully crafted ←
15:52:34 <zwu2> guus: pfps, can you come up with something
Guus Schreiber: pfps, can you come up with something ←
15:52:39 <zwu2> pfps: sure. will take a bit time
Peter Patel-Schneider: sure. will take a bit time ←
15:52:50 <zwu2> ... technical details are correct
... technical details are correct ←
15:53:15 <zwu2> guus: we can accept the resolution with an action to polish the wording
Guus Schreiber: we can accept the resolution with an action to polish the wording ←
15:53:27 <zwu2> pfps: yes.
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes. ←
15:53:43 <zwu2> pfps: I will produce edits to Section 3.2 as well
Peter Patel-Schneider: I will produce edits to Section 3.2 as well ←
15:53:44 <zwu2> action pfps Propose edits to fix wording for ISSUE-40 resolution
action pfps Propose edits to fix wording for ISSUE-40 resolution ←
15:53:45 <zwu2> ACTION-49 -- psps to Propose revised wording for ISSUE-40 text, possibly also for section 3.2 of RDF Concepts -- due 2011-05-30 -- OPEN
ACTION-49 -- psps to Propose revised wording for ISSUE-40 text, possibly also for section 3.2 of RDF Concepts -- due 2011-05-30 -- OPEN ←
15:53:46 <zwu2> ACTION-50 -- psps to Propose edits to fix wording for ISSUE-40 resolution -- due 2011-05-30 -- OPEN
ACTION-50 -- psps to Propose edits to fix wording for ISSUE-40 resolution -- due 2011-05-30 -- OPEN ←
15:53:50 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
15:54:12 <pchampin> you can't ear me :-(
Pierre-Antoine Champin: you can't ear me :-( ←
15:54:23 <Guus> ack pfps
Guus Schreiber: ack pfps ←
15:54:39 <pchampin> sorry about that
Pierre-Antoine Champin: sorry about that ←
15:54:49 <gavin> Pointless possibly annoying question, "Given two blank nodes, it is possible to determine whether or not they are the same." ... is that true if the two blank nodes come from different graphs?
Gavin Carothers: Pointless possibly annoying question, "Given two blank nodes, it is possible to determine whether or not they are the same." ... is that true if the two blank nodes come from different graphs? ←
15:54:54 <pchampin> it was just about the "SteveH" part of the proposal
Pierre-Antoine Champin: it was just about the "SteveH" part of the proposal ←
15:55:01 <pchampin> that needs to be sorted out
Pierre-Antoine Champin: that needs to be sorted out ←
15:55:08 <SteveH> pchampin, Note: “SteveH” is a placeholder. Names currently under discussion are “genid”, “bnode”, “skolem”.
Steve Harris: pchampin, Note: “SteveH” is a placeholder. Names currently under discussion are “genid”, “bnode”, “skolem”. ←
15:55:14 <pchampin> I know
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I know ←
15:55:31 <MacTed> Zakim, mute pchampin
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute pchampin ←
15:55:31 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin should now be muted ←
15:55:44 <pchampin> I agree with Richard
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I agree with Richard ←
15:55:48 <pchampin> of course
Pierre-Antoine Champin: of course ←
15:55:53 <zwu2> cygri: the SteveH is just a placeholder
Richard Cyganiak: the SteveH is just a placeholder ←
15:56:00 <PatH> Gavin, if they come from different graphs they must be different.
Patrick Hayes: Gavin, if they come from different graphs they must be different. ←
15:56:03 <pchampin> ok with me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: ok with me ←
15:56:15 <pchampin> ack me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: ack me ←
15:56:16 <Zakim> pchampin, you wanted to notice that the wiki page still lets open the issue of replacing "SteveH" by something
Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin, you wanted to notice that the wiki page still lets open the issue of replacing "SteveH" by something ←
15:56:46 <AndyS> PatH, subgraph? (not two doc read in)
Andy Seaborne: PatH, subgraph? (not two doc read in) ←
15:57:03 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
15:57:03 <zwu2> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-40 by adding text to RDF Concepts, per the “Updated Proposal” from http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization#Updated_Proposal
PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-40 by adding text to RDF Concepts, per the “Updated Proposal” from http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization#Updated_Proposal ←
15:57:04 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:57:06 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
15:57:09 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:57:10 <pchampin> +1
15:57:14 <gavin> +0
Gavin Carothers: +0 ←
15:57:15 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:57:16 <zwu2> +1
+1 ←
15:57:18 <yvesr> +0
Yves Raimond: +0 ←
15:57:21 <PatH> Andy, yes.
Patrick Hayes: Andy, yes. ←
15:57:28 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:57:30 <pfps> +1
15:57:32 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:57:34 <cmatheus> +1
Christopher Matheus: +1 ←
15:57:52 <zwu2> Guus: we can close issue-40 now
Guus Schreiber: we can close ISSUE-40 now ←
15:57:54 <zwu2> RESOLUTION: Resolve ISSUE-40 by adding text to RDF Concepts, per the “Updated Proposal” from http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization#Updated_Proposal with action-49 on Peter to propose edits
RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-40 by adding text to RDF Concepts, per the “Updated Proposal” from http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization#Updated_Proposal with ACTION-49 on Peter to propose edits ←
15:57:55 <ww> PatH: so bnode in subgraph shadows bnode in supergraph?
Patrick Hayes: so bnode in subgraph shadows bnode in supergraph? [ Scribe Assist by William Waites ] ←
15:58:01 <zwu2> issue-12?
15:58:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- open ←
15:58:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/12
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/12 ←
15:58:05 <zwu2>Topic: ISSUE-12 Reconcile various forms of string literals
15:58:10 <zwu2> guus: where to start?
Guus Schreiber: where to start? ←
15:58:12 <PatH> Take this bnode thing offline, guys.
Patrick Hayes: Take this bnode thing offline, guys. ←
15:58:20 <cygri> +1 PatH
Richard Cyganiak: +1 PatH ←
15:58:28 <PatH> Yes please
Patrick Hayes: Yes please ←
15:58:57 <PatH> What do we want the type of "foo" to be: plainliteral, xsd:striong, something else, or no type?
Patrick Hayes: What do we want the type of "foo" to be: plainliteral, xsd:striong, something else, or no type? ←
15:59:02 <Guus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011May/0230.html
Guus Schreiber: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011May/0230.html ←
15:59:48 <zwu2> PatH: looking at all the debates, I think people have different positions on which is the desrible solution
Patrick Hayes: looking at all the debates, I think people have different positions on which is the desrible solution ←
16:00:04 <zwu2> ... we should get it clear and take a binding decision
... we should get it clear and take a binding decision ←
16:00:11 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
16:00:34 <zwu2> guus: I think you are saying that once we are clear on this, the other issues will follow
Guus Schreiber: I think you are saying that once we are clear on this, the other issues will follow ←
16:01:06 <zwu2> cygri: kind of agree. we should start to agree on the behavior, and then on the machinary
Richard Cyganiak: kind of agree. we should start to agree on the behavior, and then on the machinary ←
16:01:20 <zwu2> ... maybe we should go back a bit
... maybe we should go back a bit ←
16:01:44 <zwu2> ... if we have "" and ""^^xsd:string, are they the same?
... if we have "" and ""^^xsd:string, are they the same? ←
16:03:14 <SteveH> I don't think there's a clear message from SPARQL
Steve Harris: I don't think there's a clear message from SPARQL ←
16:03:34 <PatH> Yes, sparql clearly treats seems to have decided on xsd:string.
Patrick Hayes: Yes, sparql clearly treats seems to have decided on xsd:string. ←
16:03:38 <gavin> No objection to Lee's answer from me
Gavin Carothers: No objection to Lee's answer from me ←
16:03:41 <zwu2> Guus: can we live with that?
Guus Schreiber: can we live with that? ←
16:04:19 <zwu2> PatH: there are reasons for people to tream "jt"@us "jt"@fr as different strings
Patrick Hayes: there are reasons for people to tream "chat"@en and "chat"@fr as different strings ←
16:04:28 <AndyS> Currently datatype("foo") = xsd:string datatype("foo"@en) = error [and an extension?]
Andy Seaborne: Currently datatype("foo") = xsd:string datatype("foo"@en) = error [and an extension?] ←
16:04:42 <zwu2> ... it is odd to see datatype changes when there is a language tag
... it is odd to see datatype changes when there is a language tag ←
16:04:59 <zwu2> ...added
...added ←
16:05:09 <gavin> mmmm
Gavin Carothers: mmmm ←
16:05:35 <pchampin> s/"jt"@us "jt"@fr/"chat"@en and "chat"@fr/
16:05:37 <gavin> Hey, err, what about just forcing "" == ""@und?
Gavin Carothers: Hey, err, what about just forcing "" == ""@und? ←
16:06:18 <pchampin> @gavin: that would make "" != ""^^xsd:string, then
Pierre-Antoine Champin: @gavin: that would make "" != ""^^xsd:string, then ←
16:06:35 <SteveH> AndyS, does it explicitly say it's an error? http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#func-datatype
Steve Harris: AndyS, does it explicitly say it's an error? http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#func-datatype ←
16:06:41 <ww> what about datatypes as used with skos:notation - a little like "language" no?
William Waites: what about datatypes as used with skos:notation - a little like "language" no? ←
16:06:41 <zwu2> PatH: plain literal is now neutral in RDF
Patrick Hayes: plain literal is now neutral in RDF ←
16:07:03 <AndyS> SteveH - yes - not mentioned in dispatch => no dispatch => error in basic SPARQL
Andy Seaborne: SteveH - yes - not mentioned in dispatch => no dispatch => error in basic SPARQL ←
16:07:12 <SteveH> AndyS, ok
Steve Harris: AndyS, ok ←
16:07:17 <zwu2> PatH: i like strings too
Patrick Hayes: i like strings too ←
16:07:20 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
16:07:21 <pfps> But plain literals without language tags are semantically the same as xsd:string.
Peter Patel-Schneider: But plain literals without language tags are semantically the same as xsd:string. ←
16:07:52 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
16:08:43 <zwu2> pfps: strings are strings, 01 is syntatically different from 1, I don't care
Peter Patel-Schneider: strings are strings, 01 is syntatically different from 1, I don't care ←
16:08:48 <AndyS> Could be expressed more clearly but there are lots and lots of such cases. Editorial.
Andy Seaborne: Could be expressed more clearly but there are lots and lots of such cases. Editorial. ←
16:08:49 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
16:08:51 <gavin> @pchampin Yeah, I know. But why the heck is ""@en != ""^^xsd:string then?
Gavin Carothers: @pchampin Yeah, I know. But why the heck is ""@en != ""^^xsd:string then? ←
16:09:11 <pchampin> @gavin, because it has a language tag. Strings don't.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: @gavin, because it has a language tag. Strings don't. ←
16:09:24 <MacTed> it seems that ""@en is subtype of ""^^xsd:string ...
Ted Thibodeau: it seems that ""@en is subtype of ""^^xsd:string ... ←
16:09:41 <ww> MacTed: +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 [ Scribe Assist by William Waites ] ←
16:09:43 <gavin> @pchampin Yeah :\ Ugh, hard to explain to programers
Gavin Carothers: @pchampin Yeah :\ Ugh, hard to explain to programers ←
16:10:28 <PatH> +q
Patrick Hayes: +q ←
16:10:28 <MacTed> in other words, ""@en is ""^^xsd:string plus a lang property
Ted Thibodeau: in other words, ""@en is ""^^xsd:string plus a lang property ←
16:10:36 <ww> @en - syntactic sugar for ^^englishString
William Waites: @en - syntactic sugar for ^^englishString ←
16:10:52 <zwu2> guus: we can take Lee's position for the moment
Guus Schreiber: we can take Lee's position for the moment ←
16:11:15 <Guus> ack cygri
Guus Schreiber: ack cygri ←
16:11:55 <MacTed> changing datatypes is NOT aesthetic...
Ted Thibodeau: changing datatypes is NOT aesthetic... ←
16:12:30 <zwu2> PatH: we can leave the current syntax as is
Patrick Hayes: we can leave the current syntax as is ←
16:12:45 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:12:48 <davidwood> The problem with xsd:string is that XSD (*all* of XSD) is RDF's extension mechanism for types.
David Wood: The problem with xsd:string is that XSD (*all* of XSD) is RDF's extension mechanism for types. ←
16:13:04 <SteveH> <literal datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string" xml:lang="en-GB">foo</literal> (SPARQL Result format) matters
Steve Harris: <literal datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string" xml:lang="en-GB">foo</literal> (SPARQL Result format) matters ←
16:13:34 <ww> too revolutionary to suggest that there are no languages, they're just certain string-derived datatypes?
William Waites: too revolutionary to suggest that there are no languages, they're just certain string-derived datatypes? ←
16:14:06 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
16:14:21 <Guus> AndY?
Guus Schreiber: AndY? ←
16:14:40 <zwu2> PatH: we should decide on which one we like and update the syntax
Patrick Hayes: we should decide on which one we like and update the syntax ←
16:14:50 <AndyS> Languages matter - we see this used for which label to display in apps
Andy Seaborne: Languages matter - we see this used for which label to display in apps ←
16:14:51 <SteveH> strawpoll?
Steve Harris: strawpoll? ←
16:15:02 <zwu2> a strawpoll is a good idea
a strawpoll is a good idea ←
16:16:01 <SteveH> prefer plain literal
Steve Harris: prefer plain literal ←
16:16:09 <pfps> prefer rdf:plainLiteral
Peter Patel-Schneider: prefer rdf:plainLiteral ←
16:16:09 <zwu2> guus: +1 if you prefer plain literal or xsd:string
Guus Schreiber: +1 if you prefer plain literal or xsd:string ←
16:16:17 <PatH> Im am unclear what we ar voting on.
Patrick Hayes: Im am unclear what we ar voting on. ←
16:16:19 <cygri> prefer plain literal or xsd:string, but not rdf:PlainLiteral
Richard Cyganiak: prefer plain literal or xsd:string, but not rdf:PlainLiteral ←
16:16:27 <AndyS> Either no change, or simple literal
Andy Seaborne: Either no change, or simple literal ←
16:16:31 <PatH> still unclear.
Patrick Hayes: still unclear. ←
16:16:43 <PatH> IS the question, what should be the type of "foo" ?
Patrick Hayes: IS the question, what should be the type of "foo" ? ←
16:16:56 <davidwood> Unclear to me, due to the relation of xsd:string to the rest of XSD.
David Wood: Unclear to me, due to the relation of xsd:string to the rest of XSD. ←
16:16:57 <zwu2> sorry
sorry ←
16:17:04 <cygri> Straw poll on: in the abstract syntax, if we want to have a single representation for strings (with and without language tag), which would it be?
Richard Cyganiak: Straw poll on: in the abstract syntax, if we want to have a single representation for strings (with and without language tag), which would it be? ←
16:18:26 <AZ> bye
Antoine Zimmermann: bye ←
16:18:28 <pchampin> bye
Pierre-Antoine Champin: bye ←
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16:18:31 <ww> by all
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16:18:33 <zwu2> thanks
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ACTION: Guus to send a message to the mailing list [1] ←
16:18:44 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-rdf-wg-irc#T15-40-21
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-rdf-wg-irc#T15-40-21 ←
16:18:46 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
16:18:47 <gavin> BNods offline conversation at some point would be helpful!
Gavin Carothers: BNods offline conversation at some point would be helpful! ←
16:22:41 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-rdf-wg-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-rdf-wg-irc ←
16:22:45 <MacTed> chair: Guus
16:22:53 <MacTed> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:22:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html MacTed
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html MacTed ←
16:23:08 <MacTed> RRSAgent, bye
Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:23:16 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
16:23:19 <MacTed> RRSAgent, bye
Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:23:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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This revision (#3) generated 2011-05-23 19:56:39 UTC by 'zwu2', comments: 'More cleanup and adding text about Actions 49 and 50.'