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15:42:22 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
15:42:22 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
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15:42:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:42:24 <trackbot> Date: 21 February 2013
15:42:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
15:42:28 <Luc> Agenda:
15:42:39 <Luc> Agenda:http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.21
15:42:49 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
15:42:56 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public
15:43:01 <Luc> zakim, who is here?
15:43:01 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc
15:43:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot
15:43:09 <Luc> topic: Admin
<Luc> Summary: Minutes of the previous teleconference were approved.
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15:53:59 <smiles> zakim, ??P38 is smiles
15:53:59 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
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15:59:32 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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16:00:25 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
16:00:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc, smiles, Curt_Tilmes, TallTed (muted), [IPcaller], tlebo
16:00:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK, tlebo, Curt, GK-alt, Paolo, smiles, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, ivan, stain, trackbot
16:00:51 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:00:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-prov-minutes.html TallTed
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16:01:39 <ivan> zakim, code?
16:01:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
16:01:42 <smiles> yes
16:01:46 <Luc> simon?
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16:02:04 <GK> zakim, ??p26 is me
16:02:04 <Zakim> +GK; got it
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16:02:06 <Luc> scribe: smiles
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16:02:33 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-02-07
16:02:39 <Luc> PROPOSED: to approve the minutes of Feb 07, 2013
16:02:40 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ?? P41 is me
16:02:40 <Zakim> I don't understand '?? P41 is me', khalidBelhajjame
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16:02:45 <TomDN> Zakim, +Ruben is me
16:02:46 <Zakim> sorry, TomDN, I do not recognize a party named '+Ruben'
16:02:47 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, ??P41 is me
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16:03:28 <Luc>  RESOLVED: the minutes of Feb 07, 2013 are approved
16:03:51 <smiles> Luc: Action on Luc, not done yet
16:03:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:03:58 <smiles> ... Action on Paul, completed
16:04:11 <Luc> Topic: WG Implementations
<luc>Summary: Luc congratulated Paul, Dong, and Stephan for the high quality of the implementation report. There was no further comment or feedback on the report. The group endorsed its publication as a w3c note.
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16:04:38 <Luc> q?
16:04:39 <smiles> Luc: Paul, Stephan and Dong produced a very good implementation report. Any feedback?
16:04:43 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html
16:04:50 <jcheney> having trouble getting through on phone...
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16:05:22 <smiles> Luc: If no feedback, will move to resolution to publish this report as a note
16:05:23 <Luc> PROPOSED: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations)
16:05:26 <ivan> +1
16:05:29 <smiles> +1
16:05:29 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
16:05:30 <tlebo> +1
16:05:34 <satya> +1
16:05:35 <Curt> +1
16:05:36 <Paolo> +1
16:05:37 <jcheney> +1
16:05:37 <TallTed> +1
16:05:37 <zednik> +1
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16:05:45 <dgarijo> +1
16:05:48 <GK> +0 (not reviewed)
16:05:50 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P18 is me
16:05:50 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
16:05:59 <Luc> Resolved: publish the implementation report as a W3C Note (short name: prov-implementations)
16:06:32 <smiles> Luc: Yes, will have to ask for a short name when we make publication request, which will go ahead with now
16:06:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
16:06:37 <Luc> q?
16:06:41 <pgroth> Q+
16:06:44 <smiles> ... Anything else regarding imp report?
16:06:53 <jcheney> zakim, aa is me
16:06:53 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'
16:07:03 <jcheney> zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is me
16:07:03 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]'
16:07:11 <jcheney> zakim, IPcaller.aa is me
16:07:11 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
16:07:15 <smiles> pgroth: We will first publish as a Working Draft with PR documents; then publish as Note at end of WG
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16:07:23 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:07:35 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN
16:07:35 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
16:07:47 <pgroth> btw, we have 64 implementations
16:07:50 <pgroth> reported
16:07:55 <smiles> Luc: Ivan, in the staged documents, which URL should we use for implementation report (dated)?
16:08:03 <smiles> ivan: Yes, dated URL
16:08:09 <Luc> q?
16:08:42 <smiles> ivan: In the draft as of now, be clear that this is version used for transition to PR
16:09:03 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/releases/PR-prov-dm-20130312/Overview.html
16:09:56 <smiles> ivan: In the Imp Report document itself, make clear this is version used for transition request
16:10:00 <Luc> q?
16:10:09 <pgroth> :-(
16:10:16 <smiles> pgroth: Will make this edit
16:10:20 <Luc> topic: Transition to Proposed Recommendation
<luc>Summary: The editors of the four rec-track document indicated that changes had been implemented, and the documents would be staged by the end of the day. It was decided to submit these documents as proposed recommendation.  Congratulations to the whole group for reaching this stage.  The group is now well on track to deliver four recommendations.  For the benefit of the group, Ivan outlined the next steps in the W3C process.
16:10:43 <smiles> Luc: First, update on 4 proposed PR documents
16:11:14 <smiles> Luc: PROV-N and PROV-DM are staged, checked, no further feedback from WG, need to update URL for Implementation Report (as above)
16:11:30 <smiles> ... With James, have also checked PROV-Constraints
16:11:52 <smiles> jcheney: Constraints document is checked and ready to go
16:12:38 <smiles> tlebo: Had response to Robin on respec version problems, need to export as HTML not XHTML which might affect RDFa encoding
16:12:58 <smiles> ... Once we're through that, ready for changing URL links and staging
16:13:20 <smiles> Luc: Sent links this morning regarding exporting HTML5 with RDFa
16:13:47 <Luc> lpq
16:13:52 <Luc> q?
16:13:58 <pgroth> sure
16:14:22 <smiles> ivan: Once the PR is published, cannot make changes going to Recomendation (including RDFa)
16:14:51 <Luc> PROPOSED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations
16:15:12 <ivan> +1 (W3C)
16:15:14 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 (University of Manchester)
16:15:17 <Curt> +1 (NASA)
16:15:17 <smiles> +1 (King's College London / Invited Expert)
16:15:19 <Luc> +1 (Southampton)
16:15:21 <TallTed> +1 (OpenLink Software)
16:15:22 <pgroth> +1 (VU University Amsterdam)
16:15:24 <TomDN> +1 (iMinds)
16:15:25 <SamCoppens> +1 (iMinds)
16:15:28 <hook> +1 (JPL/Caltech)
16:15:30 <zednik> +1 (RPI)
16:15:32 <dgarijo> +1 (Universidad Politécnica de Madrid)
16:15:33 <Paolo> +1 (newcastle University)
16:15:35 <satya> +1 (Invited Exper, Case Western Reserve University)
16:15:36 <jcheney> +1 (University of Edinburgh)
16:15:51 <tlebo> +1 (RPI)
16:15:57 <GK> +1
16:16:04 <GK> ^(Oxford)
16:16:18 <Luc> RESOLVED: prov-dm, prov-o, prov-constraints, prov-n to be submitted as proposed recommendations
16:16:42 <smiles> Luc: Congratulations. The documents will be submitted as PR
16:17:00 <smiles> ivan: Need to submit call to chairs list, as with CR
16:17:54 <smiles> ... Then wait 5 business days, have a transition call (Doodle prepared) on week after that, convince director to go to PR
16:18:15 <smiles> ... People will set up WBS forms for voting
16:18:43 <smiles> ... Members of this group should lobby their organisation to vote
16:19:22 <smiles> ... Theoretical need for another transition call, but only needed if revision required (a vote against)
16:19:34 <smiles> ... (before Recommendation status)
16:20:04 <smiles> ... Only change allowed is to Status section (though spelling errors can be fixed)
16:20:38 <smiles> Luc: Ivan has reviewed the draft transition request, needs references to PROV-O. Ready to go?
16:20:43 <smiles> ivan: Yes, as far as I know
16:21:18 <smiles> ... should go out tomorrow for sufficient gap before call
16:21:30 <smiles> Luc: What about MIME type application?
16:21:51 <smiles> ivan: will investigate
16:21:56 <Luc> q?
16:21:57 <pgroth> q+
16:22:20 <smiles> pgroth: Any connection between length of WG and release of the Recommendations?
16:22:24 <Luc> ack pgr
16:22:32 <smiles> ivan: Release should be before end of WG
16:22:57 <Luc> q?
16:23:00 <smiles> ... Once all documents published, WG may declare finished work and could close early
16:23:11 <smiles> Luc: Anything else on this topic?
16:23:20 <Luc> topic: Notes
<Luc>Summary: Luc summarized the timetable for publications. Agreed publication date is March 12.  Webmaster requested documents to be staged and ready by March 5. The group needs to review documents this week and vote for their release next week.  We then organized reviews for various notes: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim will review prov-xml, by February 28.  Paul, Simon,, Tom, Stephan, Luc will review prov-dc by February 28.  Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid will review prov-sem by February 28: it is understood that this will be a fpwd, and outstanding issues will marked as such in the document.  For prov-aq, it was agreed that editors have to focus on issues blocking the release, and changes will be checked by reviewers, before vote by email. For the other notes, editors are to address outstanding issues on the tracker and seek to reach consensus with those who raise issues by email. Vote for releasing the documents will take place on Feb 28th.
16:23:36 <smiles> ivan: Congratulations to Luc, Paul :)
16:23:44 <tlebo> +1
16:23:47 <dgarijo> :)
16:23:51 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2013Feb/0098.html
16:24:16 <smiles> Luc: See timetable above
16:24:43 <smiles> ... Want to publish all our documents on 12 March, so need to be ready a week before
16:25:11 <smiles> ... So, at latest, need vote at next telecon for all remaining documents
16:25:39 <smiles> ... Would like to look now at each note to see what is required to get there
16:26:02 <smiles> Luc: Start with PROV-XML; Stephan shared with WG, but reviewers not assigned
16:26:20 <smiles> zednik: Stian given some feedback, and modifications made, but nothing further
16:26:54 <Luc> q?
16:27:11 <smiles> pgroth: Have we had approval for PROV-XML to go to WD?
16:27:14 <smiles> Luc: No not yet
16:27:20 <ivan> q+
16:27:20 <Luc> q?
16:27:25 <smiles> Luc: Will review PROV-XML before next Thursday
16:27:40 <smiles> Luc: Other reviewers?
16:27:42 <tlebo> I can try...
16:28:09 <smiles> Reviewers of PROV-XML: Luc, Stian, possibly Tim
16:28:27 <pgroth> q+
16:28:31 <smiles> zednik: Regarding embedding RDFa, are all notes trying to do this?
16:28:35 <smiles> Luc: Discuss later
16:28:38 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:28:42 <Luc> q?
16:29:02 <pgroth> yes
16:29:06 <smiles> ivan: For PROV-XML, is there an XSD to publish?
16:29:10 <Luc> ack ivan
16:29:13 <smiles> zednik: Multiple XSD documents
16:29:22 <pgroth> q+
16:29:25 <smiles> ivan: Added to /ns or elsewhere?
16:29:42 <smiles> zednik: Yes, under /ns
16:29:55 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:30:03 <smiles> ivan: Prior to publication, need to give me all those files
16:30:21 <Luc> q?
16:30:38 <smiles> Luc: Vote next Thursday on WD
16:31:00 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers
16:31:12 <smiles> dgarijo: PROV-DC ready for review (and has RDFa embedded) and detailed responses to previous reviews on Wiki
16:31:22 <Luc> q?
16:31:32 <pgroth> +1
16:31:33 <smiles> Luc: Reviewers for PROV-DC?
16:31:42 <TomDN> I will
16:31:53 <smiles> Yes
16:31:56 <dgarijo> +q
16:31:58 <zednik> I can
16:32:29 <smiles> Reviewers for PROV-DC: Paul, Simon (check prior review addressed), Tom, Stephan, Luc (check prior review addressed)
16:32:54 <smiles> Luc: Feedback on PROV-DC, whether to proceed as WD ahead of next telecon
16:32:58 <Luc> q?
16:33:27 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dc-directmappings.ttl
16:33:35 <smiles> dgarijo: There are two referenced files external to note, not currently in Mercurial
16:33:46 <smiles> ivan: Send them to me
16:33:53 <Luc> q?
16:34:01 <Luc> ack dga
16:34:05 <pgroth> ivan owl:sameAs hg
16:34:22 <smiles> Luc; Same timetable for PROV-SEM?
16:34:37 <tlebo> ivan prov: actedOnBehalfOf hg .
16:34:51 <tlebo> hg is responsible for Ivan :-)
16:35:11 <pgroth> q+
16:35:14 <smiles> jcheney: Achievable to produce FPWD if people willing to spend time checking quality
16:35:36 <GK> (I would like to review -SEM, but I'm lacking time due to PROV-AQ commitments)
16:35:43 <ivan> +1 to Paul
16:35:44 <smiles> pgroth: For PROV-SEM, only FPWD, so don't need to be too picky
16:35:53 <Luc> ack pg
16:36:32 <pgroth> @jcheney that's fine
16:36:47 <smiles> jcheney: Will have to-dos and sections to complete etc.
16:36:55 <smiles> Luc: That's fine
16:36:57 <Luc> q?
16:37:15 <satya> I can review SEM
16:37:23 <smiles> jcheney: Will prepare version to review for Monday
16:37:26 <smiles> I would like to review it
16:37:36 <Paolo> ok that's fine
16:37:38 <khalidBelhajjame> I will review Prov-Sem
16:37:56 <smiles> Reviewers for PROV-SEM: Satya, Simon, Paolo, Khalid
16:38:05 <pgroth> q+
16:38:08 <Luc> q?
16:38:15 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:38:15 <smiles> pgroth: Reviewers, be nice :)
16:38:16 <Luc> ack pg
16:38:26 <dgarijo> +1
16:39:33 <smiles> GK: For PROV-AQ, am somewhat behind; good number of robust reviews since last draft, not all addressed yet
16:40:05 <smiles> ... Some are suggesting useful changes to the technical content, particularly for REST API and Pingback
16:40:20 <smiles> ... Others suggest significant editorial changes
16:40:52 <smiles> ... Another day or so solid work to get through notes
16:41:01 <Luc> q?
16:41:05 <pgroth> q+
16:41:13 <smiles> ... Hope to complete by next week's telecon, but too late?
16:41:51 <smiles> pgroth: Already done big round of reviews, and everyone except Stian happy to release as WD
16:42:26 <smiles> ... So suggest everyone who submitted review do a quick check of whether OK to go as WD, not any more comprehensive reviews
16:42:33 <Luc> q?
16:42:35 <ivan> +1 to Paul
16:42:38 <Luc> ack pg
16:42:39 <smiles> GK: Makes sense to me
16:43:26 <smiles> Luc: To smooth process, Stian had blocking issues, so could start conversation with him to see whether those issues addressed in parallel
16:43:43 <smiles> GK: OK, will do so after making revision from Stian's comments
16:44:13 <pgroth> thanks GK
16:44:14 <smiles> Luc: Conclusion, new version of PROV-AQ by next telecon; previous reviewers confirm by email that OK to go as WD
16:44:27 <TomDN> yes we have
16:44:37 <smiles> Luc: Already voted for FPWD of PROV-Dictionary
16:44:37 <TomDN> not staged
16:44:42 <TomDN> zakim, unmute me
16:44:42 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
16:44:46 <smiles> Tom: Not yet staged
16:44:56 <pgroth> q+
16:44:58 <dgarijo> +q
16:45:03 <smiles> q+
16:45:22 <pgroth> ack pgroth
16:45:33 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
16:45:33 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
16:45:43 <Luc> ack pg
16:45:52 <smiles> Luc: Resolution for each of other notes (primer, links) at next telecon
16:46:01 <smiles> dgarijo: When to stage?
16:46:13 <Luc> q?
16:46:15 <smiles> Luc: After next telecon, by 5 March
16:46:16 <Luc> ack dg
16:47:42 <smiles> smiles: Another review of primer needed?
16:47:56 <Luc> ack sm
16:47:59 <smiles> Luc: No, changes were to address specific issues raised
16:48:17 <Luc> q?
16:48:21 <smiles> ivan: Note that in PR phase, WG will have nothing else to do (but notes)
16:48:29 <Luc> topic: embedding prov metadata in the specs
<Luc> Summary: The group is keen to associate prov metadata with the documents. Given that the Rec-track document had to be finalized by tomorrow, and they can't be changed afterwards, embedding rdfa is practically not possible. Instead the group opted to use the link hasProvenance, as prescribed by the paq, to some url in the prov web space. The url scheme was agreed at the teleconference.  This mechanism allows the provenance to be edited till the end of the WG lifetime.
16:48:57 <smiles> Luc: With four PR documents, cannot touch any more after tomorrow
16:49:25 <smiles> ... The PROV metadata we embed is not normative, and can link from HTML documents using PROV-AQ
16:49:44 <ivan> q+
16:49:49 <smiles> ... Cannot add substantial RDFa to PROV-DM, N, Constraints by tomorrow
16:50:11 <Luc> q?
16:50:15 <pgroth> q+
16:50:17 <Luc> ack ivan
16:50:23 <smiles> ivan: Is the idea that the Recommendations themselves only include link to an RDF file somewhere, using RDFa?
16:50:35 <smiles> Luc: Not even RDFa, HTML link as in PROV-AQ
16:50:42 <GK> (PROV-AQ doesn't specify use of RDFa)
16:51:13 <tlebo> linking to an RDF file from each spec doc fits with our /ns strategy for prov.owl etc.
16:51:15 <dgarijo> @GK: and the "hasProvenance" pointing to a .ttl file with the rdf statements?
16:51:21 <Curt> Keep in mind that this is a pathfinder and we are implicitly recommending that all future W3C documents follow the model of whatever we do now..
16:51:24 <smiles> ivan: Shouldn't be a problem; so the provenance file itself can be in any serialisation; should not have a URI in the /PR space
16:51:49 <Luc> q?
16:52:00 <smiles> ... Put as Turtle file somewhere in provenance space, finalise when go to Recommendation
16:52:01 <Luc> ack pg
16:52:21 <smiles> pgroth: Agree with Ivan's outline
16:53:01 <smiles> ... Also want to have a nice HTML page for our namespace, and that page could have RDFa embedded provenance
16:53:02 <Luc> q?
16:53:03 <tlebo> q+ to say each spec's  "one link" to an RDF file in "[something like] /ns" makes sense, and fits what we currently do with our OWL files in /ns
16:53:37 <smiles> ivan: The latter HTML file can be published after Recommendation
16:53:42 <Luc> q?
16:54:09 <smiles> tlebo: Also support what is currently being discussed
16:54:13 <GK> If we use:
16:54:18 <tlebo> q-
16:54:24 <GK> (oops… )
16:54:26 <tlebo> one for each makes sense.
16:54:36 <tlebo> the "single file for all" is the /ns's index page.
16:54:37 <smiles> Luc: Are we going for 1 provenance file for each spec, or one for all?
16:54:41 <tlebo> @luc both
16:54:49 <tlebo> both :-)
16:54:51 <pgroth> q+
16:55:11 <dgarijo> then we are going to drop the rdf-a annotation embedded in the specs?
16:55:23 <Luc> ack pg
16:55:23 <smiles> GK: One provenance file could include information about multiple dated releases
16:55:38 <dgarijo> @pgroth: +1
16:56:03 <smiles> pgroth: Suggest each specification link to its own provenance file, and then when produce /ns HTML page, that can point to all these files
16:56:05 <tlebo> @dgarijo you could RDFa-ize the prov:hasProvenance link to the "one provenance file" analogous to the html link link.
16:56:15 <Luc> q?
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16:56:29 <pgroth> yes
16:56:38 <tlebo> +1 pgroth to reference/union the "each prov file per spec" into the /ns index page.
16:56:39 <dgarijo> @tim: I have already embedded rdf-a in the note. Would I have to drop it then? :(
16:56:41 <smiles> Luc: If we are to freeze Recommendations by tomorrow, need to freeze that URL now?
16:56:44 <smiles> ivan: Yes
16:56:57 <Luc> q?
16:57:03 <tlebo> @dgarijo you can leave it, there'd just be different provenance of the provenance :-)
16:57:03 <smiles> Luc: What is the provenance W3C space?
16:57:19 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ as stem of URI?
16:57:21 <dgarijo> @tlebo: :)
16:58:03 <tlebo> +1 to determining the targetURIs of our provenance files.
16:58:16 <Luc> so, would it be http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl as the file for prov-dm?
16:58:35 <tlebo> q+ to verify that we must finalize the targetURIs by the end of the WG, right?
16:58:40 <GK> curl -i -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/
16:58:47 <tlebo> (finalize the CONTENTS of the targetURIs)
16:58:49 <Luc> q?
16:59:29 <pgroth> not target uris
16:59:40 <smiles> tlebo: For each note and spec, we will include one link to a file, finalised contents of these by Recommendations?
16:59:54 <pgroth> q+
17:00:01 <smiles> ivan: Yes
17:00:02 <Luc> ack pg
17:00:04 <tlebo> q-
17:00:05 <Luc> ack tl
17:00:06 <GK> @ivan no redirect for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance
17:00:13 <Luc> q?
17:00:17 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/test.txt
17:00:26 <pgroth> yes
17:00:30 <smiles> ivan: Can you see the file above?
17:00:34 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
17:00:35 <smiles> Luc: yes
17:00:56 <Luc> q?
17:01:10 <Luc> can you redirect for now to mercurial?
17:01:12 <pgroth> no
17:01:15 <smiles> ivan: So we can put files in that directory
17:01:20 <pgroth> but we can manage this later
17:01:44 <smiles> ivan: For the moment, I will have to push these files onto the website
17:02:09 <GK> Can we set up an .htaccess redirect to mercurial?
17:02:23 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
17:02:25 <smiles> Luc: Ivan, can you put links to Mercurial in that directory, so we can edit the files?
17:02:31 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aacc
17:02:52 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl
17:02:55 <tlebo> +1 to building the prov-dm.prov in hg, redirect until publishing FR, and copy into CVS when we publish FR.
17:03:17 <smiles> Luc: Will URL for PROV-DM provenance file be that above?
17:03:27 <GK> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm.ttl    ??
17:03:31 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/prov-dm (no extension) with conneg to the serialization
17:03:52 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
17:03:54 <pgroth> q+
17:03:55 <dgarijo> prov-dm-prov? :D
17:04:17 <TomDN> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
17:04:26 <GK> +1 drop .ttl
17:04:37 <tlebo> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
17:04:40 <smiles> pgroth: Agree with Tim that drop file extension and have content negotiation and add /provenance/ subdirectory
17:04:49 <dgarijo> +1 for http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-dm
17:05:01 <smiles> Luc: Works well, can point to Mercurial directory /provenance
17:05:34 <Luc> q?
17:05:39 <Luc> ack pg
17:05:40 <pgroth> ack pgroth
17:05:41 <tlebo> can we put the provenance files in the exsisting 'ontology', 'model" directory?
17:05:48 <Luc> Topic: prov-aq
<luc>Summary: it was now time to conclude the teleconference. The PAQ editors accordingly to plan in "Notes" agenda item.
17:06:19 <GK> FWIW, I'm happy to
17:06:41 <Luc> q?
17:06:41 <GK> … to push ahead with edits then discuss when available.
17:06:47 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
17:06:49 <Luc> q?
17:06:57 <smiles> pgroth: Discussions we need to have on PROV-AQ are elaborate, and given earlier agreement, so delay to next week
17:07:19 <smiles> Luc: Next week, vote on release all documents (except PROV-AQ by email)
17:07:20 <TomDN> bye!
17:07:20 <khalidBelhajjame> bye
17:07:21 <Zakim> -tlebo
17:07:22 <dgarijo> bbye
17:07:23 <GK> Bye
17:07:24 <SamCoppens> Bye!
17:07:25 <smiles> OK, thanks
17:07:26 <Zakim> -TomDN
17:07:26 <Luc> q?
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17:07:27 <Zakim> -ivan
17:07:28 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:07:28 <Zakim> -TallTed
17:07:29 <Zakim> -dgarijo
17:07:29 <Zakim> -jcheney
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17:07:35 <Zakim> -Luc
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