None.
The group was reminded of the time change next week. Additionally, the schedule until the synchronous release was gone over. Paul gave an update on his progress on developing a new version of the prov-aq.
Luc and Paolo presented the status of prov-dm. In particular, the component organization was focused on. The group was asked to give input on the definitions for alternate and specialization. Reviewers were identified for the three different documents that make up the DM: Prov-dm - Tim, Khalid, Satya, Curt, Jun ; Prov-dm-constraints - James, Tim, Graham ; Prov-N - Khalid, Simon, Tim
An update on the status of prov-o was given. The document has been reorganized and authors have been identified to contribute to the various parts of the document. The group is on track to release by next week. Reviewers were identified for prov-o: Luc, Paul, Simon
An update on the status of the primer was given. Input was given to Simon by Stian and Paolo. Simon is looking for examples for some of the constructs and was pointed to the coverage page. The primer should be on schedule for release. Reviewers were identified for the next release: Paolo, Christine, Curt
The group revisited the schedule based on current progress. The following time table was agreed to: April 2 - drafts released to the working group for review. April 9 reviews submitted. A vote on release will happen on April 12 if possible but otherwise on April 19.
The idea for a common namespace across the various products of the WG has been proposed a number of times. Paul put out a concrete proposal to adopt a particular namespace with a corresponding landing page. This approach seemed to have broad support in the group, however, there were questions about the ramifications of a choice of namespace on both XML and rdf processing tools (i.e. do we have a # or not in the namespace). Sandro agreed to ask xml experts on the issue and get back to the group with their opinion.
14:52:15 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-prov-irc
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14:52:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:52:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be ←
14:52:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←
14:52:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:52:20 <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2012
14:52:25 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
14:52:28 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes ←
14:52:44 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.03.22
14:52:51 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:53:04 <pgroth> Scribe: Curt Tilmes
(Scribe set to Curt Tilmes)
14:53:12 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, make logs public ←
14:55:18 <pgroth> anybody, having problems with Zakim?
Paul Groth: anybody, having problems with Zakim? ←
14:55:56 <pgroth> curt, thanks for scribing
Paul Groth: curt, thanks for scribing ←
14:56:00 <pgroth> it's all set up
Paul Groth: it's all set up ←
14:56:00 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started ←
14:56:02 <Curt> np
np ←
14:56:07 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes
Zakim IRC Bot: +Curt_Tilmes ←
14:57:23 <pgroth> anybody having problems with Zakim?
Paul Groth: anybody having problems with Zakim? ←
14:57:50 <Zakim> +??P39
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39 ←
14:58:50 <MacTed> I'm not familiar enough with Hg....
Ted Thibodeau: I'm not familiar enough with Hg.... ←
14:58:50 <MacTed> can someone tweak the opposite-of-generated example from "prov:consumedBy" to "prov:wasConsumedBy" to more properly parallel "prov:wasGeneratedBy"?
Ted Thibodeau: can someone tweak the opposite-of-generated example from "prov:consumedBy" to "prov:wasConsumedBy" to more properly parallel "prov:wasGeneratedBy"? ←
14:59:21 <pgroth> having trouble joining
Paul Groth: having trouble joining ←
14:59:50 <Zakim> + +4238059aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +4238059aaaa ←
14:59:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:59:55 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo ←
15:00:06 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[OpenLink] ←
15:00:07 <Luc> zakim, +4238059aaaa is me
Luc Moreau: zakim, +4238059aaaa is me ←
15:00:08 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc; got it ←
15:00:09 <MacTed> (it's either add "was" to the consumption, or remove it from the generation...)
Ted Thibodeau: (it's either add "was" to the consumption, or remove it from the generation...) ←
15:00:18 <MacTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me ←
15:00:18 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:00:20 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:00:20 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:00:39 <Luc> trackbot, start telcon
Luc Moreau: trackbot, start telcon ←
15:00:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:00:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be ←
15:00:44 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
15:00:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:00:44 <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2012
15:00:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←
15:00:50 <Zakim> ok, Luc, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started ←
15:00:54 <Zakim> +??P44
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44 ←
15:00:58 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:01:04 <pgroth> Zakim, who is on the call?
Paul Groth: Zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:01:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Curt_Tilmes, ??P39, Luc, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, MacTed (muted), ??P44
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Curt_Tilmes, ??P39, Luc, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, MacTed (muted), ??P44 ←
15:01:22 <Zakim> +tlebo
Zakim IRC Bot: +tlebo ←
15:01:29 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P44 is me
Paul Groth: Zakim, ??P44 is me ←
15:01:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Curt_Tilmes, ??P39, Luc, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, MacTed (muted), ??P44, tlebo
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Curt_Tilmes, ??P39, Luc, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, MacTed (muted), ??P44, tlebo ←
15:01:40 <Paolo> zakim, ??P39 is me
Paolo Missier: zakim, ??P39 is me ←
15:01:40 <Zakim> + +1.443.708.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.708.aabb ←
15:01:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK1, dgarijo, satya, zednik, Paolo, Luc, tlebo, Curt, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, stain, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see GK1, dgarijo, satya, zednik, Paolo, Luc, tlebo, Curt, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, stain, trackbot, sandro ←
15:02:01 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
15:02:03 <MacTed> Luc has a somewhat bad connection... fuzzes a lot on vocals
Ted Thibodeau: Luc has a somewhat bad connection... fuzzes a lot on vocals ←
15:02:07 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←
15:02:10 <dgarijo> zakim, ??P1 is me
Daniel Garijo: zakim, ??P1 is me ←
15:02:14 <Zakim> +Paolo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Paolo; got it ←
15:02:42 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it ←
15:02:49 <Zakim> -Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc ←
15:03:24 <Zakim> +Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc ←
15:03:39 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
15:03:54 <GK> zakim, ??P18 is me
Graham Klyne: zakim, ??P18 is me ←
15:03:57 <pgroth> Topic: Admin
Summary: The group was reminded of the time change next week. Additionally, the schedule until the synchronous release was gone over. Paul gave an update on his progress on developing a new version of the prov-aq.
<pgroth> Summary: The group was reminded of the time change next week. Additionally, the schedule until the synchronous release was gone over. Paul gave an update on his progress on developing a new version of the prov-aq.
15:04:01 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
15:04:05 <pgroth> Minutes of the March 15 2012 Telecon http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-03-15
Paul Groth: Minutes of the March 15 2012 Telecon http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-03-15 ←
15:04:09 <Zakim> +GK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it ←
15:04:12 <Curt> +1
+1 ←
15:04:16 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
15:04:19 <Paolo> +1
Paolo Missier: +1 ←
15:04:20 <mike_> +1
Michael Lang: +1 ←
15:04:21 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
15:04:25 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
15:04:27 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
15:04:35 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
15:04:41 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
Jun Zhao: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me ←
15:04:58 <pgroth> Approved Minutes of the March 15 2012 Telecon
Paul Groth: Approved Minutes of the March 15 2012 Telecon ←
15:05:12 <Zakim> +jun; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it ←
15:05:13 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
15:05:26 <Curt> pgroth: time change reminder -- return next week to normal times
Paul Groth: time change reminder -- return next week to normal times ←
15:05:45 <Curt> ... please sign up scribes
... please sign up scribes ←
15:06:08 <Curt> ... open actions - paul has drafted PAQ review
... open actions - paul has drafted PAQ review ←
15:06:12 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:06:20 <jcheney> zakim, ??P8 is me
James Cheney: zakim, ??P8 is me ←
15:06:20 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it ←
15:06:24 <Curt> ... graham still needs to review that
... graham still needs to review that ←
15:06:45 <pgroth> +q?
Paul Groth: +q? ←
15:06:46 <Curt> ... he just got it -- he will address this week or next
... he just got it -- he will address this week or next ←
15:06:47 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:06:48 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:07:04 <GK> I'm tied up with project work this week, but should havew time to review next week.
Graham Klyne: I'm tied up with project work this week, but should havew time to review next week. ←
15:07:04 <Curt> luc: is the plan to release the PAQ synced with the others?
Luc Moreau: is the plan to release the PAQ synced with the others? ←
15:07:32 <Curt> pgroth: depends -- it may be difficult to do that, graham may be able to get things and we might be able to do it
Paul Groth: depends -- it may be difficult to do that, graham may be able to get things and we might be able to do it ←
15:07:42 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:07:42 <Curt> ... we'll at least try to get a synced draft release
... we'll at least try to get a synced draft release ←
15:07:44 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:07:45 <pgroth> ack ?
Paul Groth: ack ? ←
15:07:46 <GK> (lost my sound briefly then)
Graham Klyne: (lost my sound briefly then) ←
15:07:48 <Zakim> -jun
Zakim IRC Bot: -jun ←
15:08:09 <pgroth> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0An15kLxkaMA3dFVCWm9aREZFemNOYjlGQjdPRkdFZXc
Paul Groth: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0An15kLxkaMA3dFVCWm9aREZFemNOYjlGQjdPRkdFZXc ←
15:08:09 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
15:08:15 <Curt> pgroth: review updated time schedule from google doc
Paul Groth: review updated time schedule from google doc ←
15:08:18 <jun> zakim, ??P25 is me
Jun Zhao: zakim, ??P25 is me ←
15:08:18 <Zakim> +jun; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it ←
15:08:36 <Curt> ... synced release of docs in mid-april
... synced release of docs in mid-april ←
15:08:54 <Curt> ... drafts available to the group by the end of next week for internal review
... drafts available to the group by the end of next week for internal review ←
15:09:12 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:09:15 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
15:09:20 <Curt> ... a lot of work has happened, we need the synced release to show progress
... a lot of work has happened, we need the synced release to show progress ←
15:09:26 <pgroth> Topic: Prov-dm
Summary: Luc and Paolo presented the status of prov-dm. In particular, the component organization was focused on. The group was asked to give input on the definitions for alternate and specialization. Reviewers were identified for the three different documents that make up the DM: Prov-dm - Tim, Khalid, Satya, Curt, Jun ; Prov-dm-constraints - James, Tim, Graham ; Prov-N - Khalid, Simon, Tim
<pgroth> Summary: Luc and Paolo presented the status of prov-dm. In particular, the component organization was focused on. The group was asked to give input on the definitions for alternate and specialization. Reviewers were identified for the three different documents that make up the DM: Prov-dm - Tim, Khalid, Satya, Curt, Jun ; Prov-dm-constraints - James, Tim, Graham ; Prov-N - Khalid, Simon, Tim
15:09:48 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html ←
15:10:04 <Curt> luc: much work in the last week, revised editors draft exists, not quite ready for review
Luc Moreau: much work in the last week, revised editors draft exists, not quite ready for review ←
15:10:12 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#data-model-components
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#data-model-components ←
15:10:16 <Curt> ... structure revised
... structure revised ←
15:10:41 <Paolo> you'll need to scroll down as usual
Paolo Missier: you'll need to scroll down as usual ←
15:10:54 <Curt> ... section 4 beginning, has a picture of the 6 components
... section 4 beginning, has a picture of the 6 components ←
15:11:26 <Curt> ... for each component, we have a short overview and UML diagram depicting the relationships between components
... for each component, we have a short overview and UML diagram depicting the relationships between components ←
15:11:41 <Luc> : http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#section-example-a
Luc Moreau: : http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#section-example-a ←
15:11:43 <Curt> ... things are taking shape, the essence we wanted to incorporate is there
... things are taking shape, the essence we wanted to incorporate is there ←
15:11:55 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
15:12:01 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P15 is me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
15:12:01 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidbelhajjame; got it ←
15:12:07 <tlebo> colors and tetris. All right!
Timothy Lebo: colors and tetris. All right! ←
15:12:12 <Curt> ... section 3.1 has a revised picture taking into account feedback
... section 3.1 has a revised picture taking into account feedback ←
15:12:17 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-n.html ←
15:12:29 <Curt> ... PROV-N updated editors draft
... PROV-N updated editors draft ←
15:12:31 <GK> (This linking problem is a respec anomaly -- once page is loaded, clicking on section link works.)
Graham Klyne: (This linking problem is a respec anomaly -- once page is loaded, clicking on section link works.) ←
15:12:49 <Curt> ... definition of production, some conflicts resolved, taking shape now
... definition of production, some conflicts resolved, taking shape now ←
15:12:50 <Paolo> @tlebo I like to think it's a tangram :-)
Paolo Missier: @tlebo I like to think it's a tangram :-) ←
15:13:04 <Curt> ... still working on collections -- more expected in the coming week
... still working on collections -- more expected in the coming week ←
15:13:08 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#glossary-alternate
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#glossary-alternate ←
15:13:19 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#glossary-specialization
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#glossary-specialization ←
15:13:32 <Curt> ... solicit contributions for short english definitions for some concepts
... solicit contributions for short english definitions for some concepts ←
15:13:44 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:13:46 <Curt> ... please email suggestions to luc/paolo and they will incorporate
... please email suggestions to luc/paolo and they will incorporate ←
15:13:57 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-wasInformedBy
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-wasInformedBy ←
15:14:07 <GK> Do we really need alternates/specialization in part 1?
Graham Klyne: Do we really need alternates/specialization in part 1? ←
15:14:23 <Luc> Communication
Luc Moreau: Communication ←
15:14:39 <Luc> Start By Activity (wasStartedByActivity) http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-wasStartedByActivity
Luc Moreau: Start By Activity (wasStartedByActivity) http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-wasStartedByActivity ←
15:14:49 <Curt> ... wasInformedBy relation unclear -- suggesting "communication", read that section of the document
... wasInformedBy relation unclear -- suggesting "communication", read that section of the document ←
15:14:49 <dgarijo> what about dependency?
Daniel Garijo: what about dependency? ←
15:15:27 <Curt> luc: next steps to get to release, still going through some feedback
Luc Moreau: next steps to get to release, still going through some feedback ←
15:16:06 <Curt> paolo: constraints need some work
Paolo Missier: constraints need some work ←
15:16:33 <Curt> ... how hard is the deadline next week? many things have to happen in the next week...
... how hard is the deadline next week? many things have to happen in the next week... ←
15:17:22 <Curt> luc: it is challenging to get 3 documents all together at once. section 2 needs some work
Luc Moreau: it is challenging to get 3 documents all together at once. section 2 needs some work ←
15:17:47 <Curt> ... help on definitions would be welcome
... help on definitions would be welcome ←
15:18:08 <Curt> paolo: part1, 3 are the priority
Paolo Missier: part1, 3 are the priority ←
15:18:28 <Curt> pgroth: review other documents status, then discuss timeline
Paul Groth: review other documents status, then discuss timeline ←
15:18:48 <Curt> ... still need to line up reviewers for various documents
... still need to line up reviewers for various documents ←
15:19:01 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:19:03 <Curt> ... that will help inform timeline
... that will help inform timeline ←
15:19:43 <pgroth> Prov-dm Reviewers
Paul Groth: Prov-dm Reviewers ←
15:19:47 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:19:49 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
15:19:50 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
15:19:54 <Curt> pgroth: need reviewers for each of three documents
Paul Groth: need reviewers for each of three documents ←
15:19:58 <Curt> +1
+1 ←
15:20:15 <jun> +1
15:20:15 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
15:20:53 <Luc> @satya: documents are not ready!!!!!!
Luc Moreau: @satya: documents are not ready!!!!!! ←
15:21:07 <pgroth> ack satya
Paul Groth: ack satya ←
15:21:21 <pgroth> Prov-dm-constraints Reviewers
Paul Groth: Prov-dm-constraints Reviewers ←
15:21:30 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:21:35 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:21:38 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
15:21:40 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:21:56 <GK> I'll plan to review "constraints", provided it's available before April
Graham Klyne: I'll plan to review "constraints", provided it's available before April ←
15:22:28 <pgroth> Prov-n Reviewers
Paul Groth: Prov-n Reviewers ←
15:22:33 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
15:22:36 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
15:22:37 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:23:03 <pgroth> Topic: Prov-o
Summary: An update on the status of prov-o was given. The document has been reorganized and authors have been identified to contribute to the various parts of the document. The group is on track to release by next week. Reviewers were identified for prov-o: Luc, Paul, Simon
<pgroth> Summary: An update on the status of prov-o was given. The document has been reorganized and authors have been identified to contribute to the various parts of the document. The group is on track to release by next week. Reviewers were identified for prov-o: Luc, Paul, Simon
15:23:37 <Curt> tlebo: reorganized HTML document, emphasizing difference between simple/extended
Timothy Lebo: reorganized HTML document, emphasizing difference between simple/extended ←
15:23:48 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.03.22#PROV-O
Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.03.22#PROV-O ←
15:23:55 <Curt> ... new design in progress, met monday and assigned some writing sections
... new design in progress, met monday and assigned some writing sections ←
15:24:12 <Curt> ... getting together early next week, draft available next friday
... getting together early next week, draft available next friday ←
15:24:15 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:25:05 <pgroth> Reviewers Prov-o
Paul Groth: Reviewers Prov-o ←
15:25:08 <Luc> +1
Luc Moreau: +1 ←
15:25:16 <pgroth> +1
Paul Groth: +1 ←
15:25:40 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
15:25:58 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:26:03 <GK> I think the most important reviews of PROV-O will come from implementers like Stian
Graham Klyne: I think the most important reviews of PROV-O will come from implementers like Stian ←
15:26:22 <Curt> luc: for next week, editors of the documents should identify specific questions for reviewers to address
Luc Moreau: for next week, editors of the documents should identify specific questions for reviewers to address ←
15:26:37 <khalidbelhajjame> @Graham, Stian is part of the provo team :-)
Khalid Belhajjame: @Graham, Stian is part of the provo team :-) ←
15:26:53 <Curt> pgroth: this is a review to determine public release, should they go public?
Paul Groth: this is a review to determine public release, should they go public? ←
15:26:58 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:27:00 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:27:05 <pgroth> Topic: Primer
Summary: An update on the status of the primer was given. Input was given to Simon by Stian and Paolo. Simon is looking for examples for some of the constructs and was pointed to the coverage page. The primer should be on schedule for release. Reviewers were identified for the next release: Paolo, Christine, Curt
<pgroth> Summary: An update on the status of the primer was given. Input was given to Simon by Stian and Paolo. Simon is looking for examples for some of the constructs and was pointed to the coverage page. The primer should be on schedule for release. Reviewers were identified for the next release: Paolo, Christine, Curt
15:27:06 <GK> @Khalid - Even better!
Graham Klyne: @Khalid - Even better! ←
15:27:07 <Curt> luc: that is one question, there may be others
Luc Moreau: that is one question, there may be others ←
15:27:42 <Zakim> -??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P10 ←
15:27:52 <Curt> gk: still revising, determine if other docs are stable to incorporate any change back into the primer
Simon Miles: still revising, determine if other docs are stable to incorporate any change back into the primer ←
15:28:18 <GK> @Curt ^^ That was Simon, I think
Graham Klyne: @Curt ^^ That was Simon, I think ←
15:28:34 <Curt> s/gk/smiles/
15:28:37 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:29:03 <Curt> smiles: looking for examples to put in
Simon Miles: looking for examples to put in ←
15:29:11 <Curt> tlebo: use the big example collection online
Timothy Lebo: use the big example collection online ←
15:29:23 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
15:29:37 <Curt> smiles: examples organized by domain, not by concept -- need to find focused examples for concepts
Simon Miles: examples organized by domain, not by concept -- need to find focused examples for concepts ←
15:30:02 <Curt> tlebo: we might try to pick trivial examples for each concept
Timothy Lebo: we might try to pick trivial examples for each concept ←
15:30:26 <Curt> ... look at the descriptions -- it lists the constructs that various examples use
... look at the descriptions -- it lists the constructs that various examples use ←
15:30:37 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:30:40 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:30:49 <pgroth> Primer Reviewers
Paul Groth: Primer Reviewers ←
15:30:50 <Curt> ... might be out of date, let me know if something needs to get updated
... might be out of date, let me know if something needs to get updated ←
15:30:58 <Paolo> +1
Paolo Missier: +1 ←
15:30:58 <tlebo> coverage page: http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/provrdf-owl-coverage shows which constructs are used in which examples (or did, or should...)
Timothy Lebo: coverage page: http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/provrdf-owl-coverage shows which constructs are used in which examples (or did, or should...) ←
15:30:59 <Christine> +1 if you think it would be useful
Christine Runnegar: +1 if you think it would be useful ←
15:30:59 <Curt> +1
+1 ←
15:31:05 <Zakim> -??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P10 ←
15:31:19 <Luc> Will review, but may not meet deadline if still editing prov-dm-*
Luc Moreau: Will review, but may not meet deadline if still editing prov-dm-* ←
15:31:27 <pgroth> Topic: Schedule
Summary: The group revisited the schedule based on current progress. The following time table was agreed to: April 2 - drafts released to the working group for review. April 9 reviews submitted. A vote on release will happen on April 12 if possible but otherwise on April 19.
<pgroth> Summary: The group revisited the schedule based on current progress. The following time table was agreed to: April 2 - drafts released to the working group for review. April 9 reviews submitted. A vote on release will happen on April 12 if possible but otherwise on April 19.
15:31:41 <smiles> @tlebo great, thanks
Simon Miles: @tlebo great, thanks ←
15:31:49 <Curt> pgroth: schedule -- editors can you meet the target dates?
Paul Groth: schedule -- editors can you meet the target dates? ←
15:31:51 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:32:03 <Paolo> q+
Paolo Missier: q+ ←
15:32:15 <tlebo> @smiles, some of it looks broken, if there's a particualr question you need answered, point it out to me, please.
Timothy Lebo: @smiles, some of it looks broken, if there's a particualr question you need answered, point it out to me, please. ←
15:32:21 <GK> Might it be helpful to stagger releases, so reviewers aren't overcommitted?
Graham Klyne: Might it be helpful to stagger releases, so reviewers aren't overcommitted? ←
15:32:36 <Curt> paolo: two out of three parts, next friday possible, part 2 maybe the next week
Paolo Missier: two out of three parts, next friday possible, part 2 maybe the next week ←
15:32:41 <pgroth> ack Paolo
Paul Groth: ack Paolo ←
15:32:48 <tlebo> q+
Timothy Lebo: q+ ←
15:32:51 <Curt> luc: yes, I would like to do that
Luc Moreau: yes, I would like to do that ←
15:33:11 <tlebo> Friday is reasonable target, early the follwoing week is realistic
Timothy Lebo: Friday is reasonable target, early the follwoing week is realistic ←
15:33:12 <Curt> luc: PROV-DM,PROV-N by friday; constraints early the next week
Luc Moreau: PROV-DM,PROV-N by friday; constraints early the next week ←
15:33:32 <GK> It might be difficult for me to get a printed copy for review oif not available by 3-Apr
Graham Klyne: It might be difficult for me to get a printed copy for review oif not available by 3-Apr ←
15:33:32 <Curt> tlebo: next friday possible, early the next week more realistic for PROV-O
Timothy Lebo: next friday possible, early the next week more realistic for PROV-O ←
15:33:47 <Curt> smiles: next friday ok
Simon Miles: next friday ok ←
15:34:11 <Curt> pgroth: how about Monday the second, but earlier if possible
Paul Groth: how about Monday the second, but earlier if possible ←
15:34:21 <smiles> Fine by me
Simon Miles: Fine by me ←
15:34:22 <Luc> review timetable?
Luc Moreau: review timetable? ←
15:34:52 <Curt> pgroth: if we do Monday 2nd, then use 1 week for review
Paul Groth: if we do Monday 2nd, then use 1 week for review ←
15:34:54 <pgroth> 4/9 for reviews back
Paul Groth: 4/9 for reviews back ←
15:35:04 <Luc> easter vacations ....
Luc Moreau: easter vacations .... ←
15:35:21 <GK> 1 week for review would be OK for me.
Graham Klyne: 1 week for review would be OK for me. ←
15:35:32 <tlebo> leaves 1.5 weeks to review, no? (was 2 weeks)
Timothy Lebo: leaves 1.5 weeks to review, no? (was 2 weeks) ←
15:35:43 <Luc> i can review provo on 4th in time for the 5th telecon
Luc Moreau: i can review provo on 4th in time for the 5th telecon ←
15:35:57 <Paolo> if I am doing just the primer, won't take long. I would like to contribute a new example for collections. So, 2 days
Paolo Missier: if I am doing just the primer, won't take long. I would like to contribute a new example for collections. So, 2 days ←
15:36:11 <Curt> pgroth: the 2 weeks was 1 week to review, 1 week to respond to the review
Paul Groth: the 2 weeks was 1 week to review, 1 week to respond to the review ←
15:36:19 <tlebo> @paul, got it. 1 week to review and 1 week to reflect feedback.
Timothy Lebo: @paul, got it. 1 week to review and 1 week to reflect feedback. ←
15:36:56 <Curt> luc: release/voting had been planned for 12th, probably not realistic with new schedule, esp. with Easter et al.
Luc Moreau: release/voting had been planned for 12th, probably not realistic with new schedule, esp. with Easter et al. ←
15:37:27 <Curt> pgroth: what about 4/19 for formal vote for release
Paul Groth: what about 4/19 for formal vote for release ←
15:37:31 <pgroth> Vote April 19
Paul Groth: Vote April 19 ←
15:37:33 <Curt> luc: at the latest
Luc Moreau: at the latest ←
15:37:56 <smiles> q+
Simon Miles: q+ ←
15:38:02 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
15:38:04 <pgroth> ack smiles
Paul Groth: ack smiles ←
15:38:29 <Curt> smiles: clarify
Simon Miles: clarify ←
15:38:49 <Curt> pgroth: one of the questions for review -- are there release blockers?
Paul Groth: one of the questions for review -- are there release blockers? ←
15:39:07 <Curt> ... if there are things that can be addressed later, that's ok
... if there are things that can be addressed later, that's ok ←
15:39:41 <Curt> smiles: even non-reviewers need to read enough to determine their vote
Simon Miles: even non-reviewers need to read enough to determine their vote ←
15:39:55 <Luc> yes, everybody will be invited to review
Luc Moreau: yes, everybody will be invited to review ←
15:40:34 <pgroth> Revised schedule
Paul Groth: Revised schedule ←
15:40:43 <pgroth> 4/2 for release to reviewers
Paul Groth: 4/2 for release to reviewers ←
15:40:54 <pgroth> and working group
Paul Groth: and working group ←
15:41:12 <pgroth> 4/9 reviews in
Paul Groth: 4/9 reviews in ←
15:41:23 <pgroth> 4/19 vote by working group
Paul Groth: 4/19 vote by working group ←
15:41:27 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:41:37 <tlebo> looks fine
Timothy Lebo: looks fine ←
15:41:49 <Paolo> works for me
Paolo Missier: works for me ←
15:41:50 <satya> works for me
Satya Sahoo: works for me ←
15:41:53 <jun> +1
15:42:00 <jcheney> I may need another day or two = the period from 4/2-4/9 is super busy for me
James Cheney: I may need another day or two = the period from 4/2-4/9 is super busy for me ←
15:42:00 <Curt> luc: potentially earlier, perhaps 4/12 if possible
Luc Moreau: potentially earlier, perhaps 4/12 if possible ←
15:42:06 <khalidbelhajjame> good for me
Khalid Belhajjame: good for me ←
15:42:18 <smiles> Yes, possible I think
Simon Miles: Yes, possible I think ←
15:42:45 <Curt> pgroth: reviewers should focus on question of release
Paul Groth: reviewers should focus on question of release ←
15:42:47 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:42:58 <pgroth> Topic: Namespace Unification
Summary: The idea for a common namespace across the various products of the WG has been proposed a number of times. Paul put out a concrete proposal to adopt a particular namespace with a corresponding landing page. This approach seemed to have broad support in the group, however, there were questions about the ramifications of a choice of namespace on both XML and rdf processing tools (i.e. do we have a # or not in the namespace). Sandro agreed to ask xml experts on the issue and get back to the group with their opinion.
<pgroth> Summary: The idea for a common namespace across the various products of the WG has been proposed a number of times. Paul put out a concrete proposal to adopt a particular namespace with a corresponding landing page. This approach seemed to have broad support in the group, however, there were questions about the ramifications of a choice of namespace on both XML and rdf processing tools (i.e. do we have a # or not in the namespace). Sandro agreed to ask xml experts on the issue and get back to the group with their opinion.
15:43:11 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Mar/0386.html
Paul Groth: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Mar/0386.html ←
15:43:37 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/ns/prov# ←
15:43:42 <Curt> pgroth: put out proposal^
Paul Groth: put out proposal^ ←
15:43:59 <Curt> pgroth: that would point to landing page with glossary of all the terms
Paul Groth: that would point to landing page with glossary of all the terms ←
15:44:27 <Curt> ... content negotiation would return OWL/TTL/XSD as requested
... content negotiation would return OWL/TTL/XSD as requested ←
15:44:33 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:44:35 <GK> q+ to ask Do tools that try to read ontologies generally generate accept headers?
Graham Klyne: q+ to ask Do tools that try to read ontologies generally generate accept headers? ←
15:45:08 <pgroth> ack GK
Paul Groth: ack GK ←
15:45:08 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to ask Do tools that try to read ontologies generally generate accept headers?
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to ask Do tools that try to read ontologies generally generate accept headers? ←
15:45:26 <MacTed> voice is there, but it's not OK.... lots of breakup. some is comprehensible, most is not.
Ted Thibodeau: voice is there, but it's not OK.... lots of breakup. some is comprehensible, most is not. ←
15:45:33 <Curt> gk: <breaking up> will the tools be able to retrieve the right thing?
Graham Klyne: <breaking up> will the tools be able to retrieve the right thing? ←
15:45:37 <tlebo> @gk, AFIAK, yes. Tools do request RDF. If they don't, they should.
Timothy Lebo: @gk, AFIAK, yes. Tools do request RDF. If they don't, they should. ←
15:45:46 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:45:52 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:46:27 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema# in rdf
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema# in rdf ←
15:46:34 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema in xml.
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema in xml. ←
15:46:59 <Curt> luc: I'm fine with pgroth proposal, but we also had a namespace for the XML schema, is the hash compatible?
Luc Moreau: I'm fine with pgroth proposal, but we also had a namespace for the XML schema, is the hash compatible? ←
15:47:30 <Zakim> -??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P21 ←
15:47:45 <GK> AFAIK, The choice of XML namespace for XSD preceded the use of namespaces for RDF, and the issue of concatanating namespace+local to forkm a URI didn't arise.
Graham Klyne: AFAIK, The choice of XML namespace for XSD preceded the use of namespaces for RDF, and the issue of concatanating namespace+local to forkm a URI didn't arise. ←
15:47:46 <tlebo> q+ to state that # is part of the fragid, and is taken off before HTTP request. Also, all w3 namespaces uses the #.
Timothy Lebo: q+ to state that # is part of the fragid, and is taken off before HTTP request. Also, all w3 namespaces uses the #. ←
15:48:00 <Curt> pgroth: if you use RDF, you use the hash, with XML, you don't [??] you still dereference to the same place
Paul Groth: if you use RDF, you use the hash, with XML, you don't [??] you still dereference to the same place ←
15:48:20 <Curt> tlebo: you have to remove the fragement when you request the URI with HTTP
Timothy Lebo: you have to remove the fragment when you request the URI with HTTP ←
15:48:32 <Curt> s/fragement/fragment/
15:48:46 <pgroth> sandro are you there?
Paul Groth: sandro are you there? ←
15:48:50 <Curt> tlebo: others use the hash the way we are proposing
Timothy Lebo: others use the hash the way we are proposing ←
15:48:56 <GK> (I('m looking in XML namespace spec at moment)
Graham Klyne: (I('m looking in XML namespace spec at moment) ←
15:48:59 <zednik> '#' is for client side processing, yes?
Stephan Zednik: '#' is for client side processing, yes? ←
15:49:19 <pgroth> : http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#
Paul Groth: : http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema# ←
15:49:21 <Curt> luc: not sure -- it is frustrating to have to use two different namespaces
Luc Moreau: not sure -- it is frustrating to have to use two different namespaces ←
15:49:22 <pgroth> : http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema##
Paul Groth: : http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema## ←
15:49:29 <sandro> (I am here, pgroth and trying to page in the details)
Sandro Hawke: (I am here, pgroth and trying to page in the details) ←
15:49:39 <Curt> pgroth: XML usage would double the hash
Paul Groth: XML usage would double the hash ←
15:49:46 <GK> [Definition: An XML namespace is identified by a URI reference http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#URIRef; element and attribute names may be placed in an XML namespace using the mechanisms described in this specification. ]
Graham Klyne: [Definition: An XML namespace is identified by a URI reference http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#URIRef; element and attribute names may be placed in an XML namespace using the mechanisms described in this specification. ] ←
15:49:53 <GK> That's from XML namespace spec
Graham Klyne: That's from XML namespace spec ←
15:49:59 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/rif
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/rif ←
15:50:07 <GK> That allows a '#' in the namespace URI for XML namespaces
Graham Klyne: That allows a '#' in the namespace URI for XML namespaces ←
15:50:24 <GK> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#concepts
Graham Klyne: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#concepts ←
15:50:33 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:50:34 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:50:35 <Curt> sandro: RIF used the hash within the XML usage, didn't get pushback
Sandro Hawke: RIF used the hash within the XML usage, didn't get pushback ←
15:50:38 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
15:50:46 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
15:50:46 <Zakim> tlebo, you wanted to state that # is part of the fragid, and is taken off before HTTP request. Also, all w3 namespaces uses the #.
Zakim IRC Bot: tlebo, you wanted to state that # is part of the fragid, and is taken off before HTTP request. Also, all w3 namespaces uses the #. ←
15:50:49 <Curt> sandro: the hash is very normal within RDF community
Sandro Hawke: the hash is very normal within RDF community ←
15:51:09 <Curt> macted: hash is problematic, esp. since it is really a client side thing
Ted Thibodeau: hash is problematic, esp. since it is really a client side thing ←
15:51:10 <GK> q+ to note that my reading of spec says '#' OK in XML namespace ... see notes above
Graham Klyne: q+ to note that my reading of spec says '#' OK in XML namespace ... see notes above ←
15:51:30 <pgroth> ack MacTed
Paul Groth: ack MacTed ←
15:51:31 <GK> Tools that send '#' are BROKEN
Graham Klyne: Tools that send '#' are BROKEN ←
15:51:31 <Curt> macted: a small number of tools send it to the server
Ted Thibodeau: a small number of tools send it to the server ←
15:51:53 <MacTed> Zakim, mute
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ←
15:51:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute', MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'mute', MacTed ←
15:51:55 <pgroth> can you not talk into your mike
Paul Groth: can you not talk into your mike ←
15:51:56 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:51:56 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:52:24 <Curt> pgroth: how can we best resolve this?
Paul Groth: how can we best resolve this? ←
15:52:50 <Curt> pgroth: this plan sounds good, but how can we determine if it is correct?
Paul Groth: this plan sounds good, but how can we determine if it is correct? ←
15:53:14 <Curt> sandro: I'll consult with XML experts, schema workgroup, etc.
Sandro Hawke: I'll consult with XML experts, schema workgroup, etc. ←
15:53:45 <Curt> pgroth: semantic web activity group?
Paul Groth: semantic web activity group? ←
15:53:54 <GK> What we could do for now is choose a '#' URI and document our rationale that this is OK in XML (see above), and ask for explcit review in PWD.
Graham Klyne: What we could do for now is choose a '#' URI and document our rationale that this is OK in XML (see above), and ask for explcit review in PWD. ←
15:53:58 <Curt> sandro: this is really an XML question
Sandro Hawke: this is really an XML question ←
15:54:25 <Curt> sandro: could also ask semantic web coordination group
Sandro Hawke: could also ask semantic web coordination group ←
15:54:31 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#used refers to #used at http://www.w3.org/ns/prov -- isn't this the same as what luc's xml schema is referencing?
Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#used refers to #used at http://www.w3.org/ns/prov -- isn't this the same as what luc's xml schema is referencing? ←
15:54:35 <tlebo> q+
Timothy Lebo: q+ ←
15:54:43 <pgroth> ack GK
Paul Groth: ack GK ←
15:54:43 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to note that my reading of spec says '#' OK in XML namespace ... see notes above
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to note that my reading of spec says '#' OK in XML namespace ... see notes above ←
15:54:46 <GK> ack gk
Graham Klyne: ack gk ←
15:54:48 <Curt> sandro: will draft an email requesting input from others
Sandro Hawke: will draft an email requesting input from others ←
15:54:55 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:54:59 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
15:55:27 <Curt> tlebo: namespace shouldn't have the hash
Timothy Lebo: namespace shouldn't have the hash ←
15:55:37 <Curt> sandro: do any tools break?
Sandro Hawke: do any tools break? ←
15:56:20 <GK> RDF really likes the namespace to end with '#' or '/' - so that the parts can be teased apart later.
Graham Klyne: RDF really likes the namespace to end with '#' or '/' - so that the parts can be teased apart later. ←
15:56:28 <Curt> luc: esp. with RDFa, you are using RDF and XML together, namespace declarations just define 'prov'
Luc Moreau: esp. with RDFa, you are using RDF and XML together, namespace declarations just define 'prov' ←
15:56:32 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:56:39 <sandro> <prov xmlns="http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#">...
Sandro Hawke: <prov xmlns="http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#">... ←
15:56:41 <MacTed> are there any known examples where NOT having the # in the namespace leads to problem?
Ted Thibodeau: are there any known examples where NOT having the # in the namespace leads to problem? ←
15:56:41 <MacTed> we've come up with various ways having it *MIGHT* cause trouble...
Ted Thibodeau: we've come up with various ways having it *MIGHT* cause trouble... ←
15:56:41 <MacTed> so why do we *want* it to be part of the namespace?
Ted Thibodeau: so why do we *want* it to be part of the namespace? ←
15:56:45 <MacTed> what's the argument to include it?
Ted Thibodeau: what's the argument to include it? ←
15:56:48 <GK> RDF/XML commonly uses XML namespace decls with '#' at end of URI
Graham Klyne: RDF/XML commonly uses XML namespace decls with '#' at end of URI ←
15:57:04 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:57:15 <Luc> http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/49
Luc Moreau: http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/49 ←
15:57:18 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:57:26 <Curt> luc: see blog^ she talks about this problem
Luc Moreau: see blog^ she talks about this problem ←
15:57:41 <Curt> luc: maybe she could help us
Luc Moreau: maybe she could help us ←
15:57:53 <GK> Yes, that;s the issue - RDF concatenates, XML doesn't assume the pair are used to create a new URI
Graham Klyne: Yes, that;s the issue - RDF concatenates, XML doesn't assume the pair are used to create a new URI ←
15:58:06 <Curt> pgroth: let's consult with all these groups/people to figure out the right common namespace
Paul Groth: let's consult with all these groups/people to figure out the right common namespace ←
15:58:27 <GK> I think a common namespace is nice, but if we can't it's not a total disaster IMO
Graham Klyne: I think a common namespace is nice, but if we can't it's not a total disaster IMO ←
15:58:45 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:58:50 <Curt> sandro: will review the blog and include jeni as well
Sandro Hawke: will review the blog and include jeni as well ←
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15:59:23 <Zakim> - +1.443.708.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.443.708.aabb ←
15:59:25 <Zakim> -pgroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth ←
15:59:31 <Zakim> -Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc ←
15:59:35 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt_Tilmes ←
15:59:46 <GK> http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/49 - this may be Jeni's blog post
Graham Klyne: http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/49 - this may be Jeni's blog post ←
16:00:06 <GK> Dated 2007, "Things that make me scream ..."
Graham Klyne: Dated 2007, "Things that make me scream ..." ←
16:00:46 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public ←
16:00:51 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:00:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-prov-minutes.html pgroth
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-prov-minutes.html pgroth ←
16:00:56 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon
Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:00:56 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:00:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Curt_Tilmes, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, Luc, MacTed, tlebo, +1.443.708.aabb, pgroth, Paolo, dgarijo, sandro, GK, jun, jcheney,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Curt_Tilmes, [IPcaller], Satya_Sahoo, Luc, MacTed, tlebo, +1.443.708.aabb, pgroth, Paolo, dgarijo, sandro, GK, jun, jcheney, ←
16:00:59 <Zakim> ... khalidbelhajjame
Zakim IRC Bot: ... khalidbelhajjame ←
16:01:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:01:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-prov-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-prov-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:01:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:01:05 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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This revision (#1) generated 2012-03-23 13:05:32 UTC by 'pgroth', comments: 'fixed irc errors. Added summaries. Introduced Schedule as a Topic'