None.
Approved the minutes of Dec 8 and Dec 15 telecon. Next telecon will be Jan. 5 2012
Plan for Second Working Drafts
PROV-AQ, PROV-DM and PROV-O presented outlines of their plans for the upcoming working drafts to the group. Overall, the aim is to have various revisions done before the end of January. PROV-O plans to be discussed in greater detail at the forthcoming telecon. PROV-O editors were encouraged to aim having all PROV-DM constructs represented. PROV-AQ editors will discuss with Tim Lebo the handling of provenance "pingback" mechanism and whether that gets included in the next working draft.
James Cheney presented a draft of a formal semantics for PROV-DM and asked for input from the group.
editors of PROV-DM presented their recent changes that clarify the role of identifiers and how they relate to accounts. PROV-O team members were asked to see if this approach maps naturally to RDF named graphs and if so how. Tim Lebo said he would look at how the account examples map.
15:51:53 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/22-prov-irc
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15:51:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:51:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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15:51:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←
15:51:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:51:58 <trackbot> Date: 22 December 2011
15:52:03 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
15:52:03 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes ←
15:52:19 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.22
15:52:31 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
15:52:45 <pgroth> Scribe: Paolo Missier
(Scribe set to Paolo Missier)
15:52:52 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, make logs public ←
15:56:36 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started ←
15:56:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:56:56 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Paul Groth: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
15:56:56 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←
15:57:19 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
15:57:37 <Paolo> zakim, ??p1 is me
zakim, ??p1 is me ←
15:57:37 <Zakim> +Paolo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Paolo; got it ←
15:57:43 <pgroth> thanks paolo
Paul Groth: thanks paolo ←
15:57:46 <pgroth> everything is setup
Paul Groth: everything is setup ←
15:59:16 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes
Zakim IRC Bot: +Curt_Tilmes ←
15:59:48 <Zakim> + +1.646.389.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.646.389.aaaa ←
16:00:22 <davidschaengold> Zakim, +1.646.389.aaaa is davidschaengold
david schaengold: Zakim, +1.646.389.aaaa is davidschaengold ←
16:00:22 <Zakim> +davidschaengold; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +davidschaengold; got it ←
16:00:51 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
16:01:03 <Zakim> + +1.315.330.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.315.330.aabb ←
16:01:21 <tlebo> zakim, aabb is tlebo
Timothy Lebo: zakim, aabb is tlebo ←
16:01:22 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tlebo; got it ←
16:02:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:02:18 <pgroth> Topic: Admin
Summary: Approved the minutes of Dec 8 and Dec 15 telecon. Next telecon will be Jan. 5 2012
<pgroth> Summary: Approved the minutes of Dec 8 and Dec 15 telecon. Next telecon will be Jan. 5 2012
16:02:29 <dgarijo> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Daniel Garijo: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
16:02:29 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it ←
16:02:48 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-12-08
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-12-08 ←
16:02:59 <pgroth> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the Dec. 08 telecon
Paul Groth: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the Dec. 08 telecon ←
16:03:13 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:03:15 <Curt> 0 (not present)
Curt Tilmes: 0 (not present) ←
16:03:16 <Paolo> +1
+1 ←
16:03:18 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:03:23 <davidschaengold> 0 (not present)
david schaengold: 0 (not present) ←
16:03:26 <jcheney> +1 minutes
James Cheney: +1 minutes ←
16:03:46 <pgroth> Accepted minutes Dec 8 telecon
Paul Groth: Accepted minutes Dec 8 telecon ←
16:03:51 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-12-15
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-12-15 ←
16:04:00 <pgroth> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the Dec. 15 telecon
Paul Groth: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the Dec. 15 telecon ←
16:04:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:04:01 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:04:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
16:04:04 <Curt> 0 (not present)
Curt Tilmes: 0 (not present) ←
16:04:06 <StephenCresswell> +1
Stephen Cresswell: +1 ←
16:04:07 <Paolo> +1
+1 ←
16:04:15 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:04:20 <jcheney> +1 minutes
James Cheney: +1 minutes ←
16:04:25 <davidschaengold> 0 (not present)
david schaengold: 0 (not present) ←
16:04:31 <pgroth> Accepted minutes of the Dec 15 telecon
Paul Groth: Accepted minutes of the Dec 15 telecon ←
16:04:56 <Paolo> pgroth: next telecon Jan 5th
Paul Groth: next telecon Jan 5th ←
16:05:02 <pgroth> Topic: Plan for Second Working Drafts
Summary: PROV-AQ, PROV-DM and PROV-O presented outlines of their plans for the upcoming working drafts to the group. Overall, the aim is to have various revisions done before the end of January. PROV-O plans to be discussed in greater detail at the forthcoming telecon. PROV-O editors were encouraged to aim having all PROV-DM constructs represented. PROV-AQ editors will discuss with Tim Lebo the handling of provenance "pingback" mechanism and whether that gets included in the next working draft.
<pgroth> Summary: PROV-AQ, PROV-DM and PROV-O presented outlines of their plans for the upcoming working drafts to the group. Overall, the aim is to have various revisions done before the end of January. PROV-O plans to be discussed in greater detail at the forthcoming telecon. PROV-O editors were encouraged to aim having all PROV-DM constructs represented. PROV-AQ editors will discuss with Tim Lebo the handling of provenance "pingback" mechanism and whether that gets included in the next working draft.
16:05:26 <pgroth> prov-aq
Paul Groth: prov-aq ←
16:05:33 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Dec/0232.html
Paul Groth: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Dec/0232.html ←
16:06:05 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.238.059.aacc ←
16:08:31 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
16:08:36 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:08:38 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:08:50 <Paolo> target for resolving issues on prov-aq: one week prior to F2F2
target for resolving issues on prov-aq: one week prior to F2F2 ←
16:09:12 <tlebo> q+
Timothy Lebo: q+ ←
16:09:21 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
16:09:52 <Paolo> Tlebo: issue of advertising where to find provenance
Timothy Lebo: issue of advertising where to find provenance ←
16:10:12 <Paolo> Pgroth: to be addressed after 2nd WD
Paul Groth: to be addressed after 2nd WD ←
16:10:43 <Paolo> Tlebo: why so elaborate? one paragraph should suffice
Timothy Lebo: why so elaborate? one paragraph should suffice ←
16:11:22 <Paolo> Pgroth: GK thought it may be too much for this version of the draft.
Paul Groth: GK thought it may be too much for this version of the draft. ←
16:11:27 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
16:11:29 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:11:37 <Paolo> Tlebo: GK and I have scheduled a discussion for Jan.
Timothy Lebo: GK and I have scheduled a discussion for Jan. ←
16:12:07 <Paolo> Pgroth: anyone from PROV- primer? (no)
Paul Groth: anyone from PROV- primer? (no) ←
16:12:16 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/ProvenanceModel.html#changes-since-second-public-working-draft
Luc Moreau: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/ProvenanceModel.html#changes-since-second-public-working-draft ←
16:12:30 <Paolo> Pgroth: PROV-DM plans for 3rd WD, asking Luc
Paul Groth: PROV-DM plans for 3rd WD, asking Luc ←
16:12:45 <Paolo> Luc: issues just posted have already been worked on
Luc Moreau: issues just posted have already been worked on ←
16:13:01 <Paolo> Luc: new section created where all constraints are collected
Luc Moreau: new section created where all constraints are collected ←
16:13:18 <Paolo> Luc: this gives constraints more space in the doc
Luc Moreau: this gives constraints more space in the doc ←
16:13:38 <Paolo> Luc: relations such as "wasComplementOf" reworked, Paolo sent a draft proposal
Luc Moreau: relations such as "wasComplementOf" reworked, Paolo sent a draft proposal ←
16:13:47 <Paolo> Luc: also reworked recipe -> plan
Luc Moreau: also reworked recipe -> plan ←
16:14:03 <Paolo> Luc: also tried to clarify "identifiers"
Luc Moreau: also tried to clarify "identifiers" ←
16:14:15 <Paolo> Luc: collections still being worked on (Paolo)
Luc Moreau: collections still being worked on (Paolo) ←
16:14:40 <Paolo> Luc: most issues raised in the tracked have been addressed. some will not happen (new example, request from Yolanda)
Luc Moreau: most issues raised in the tracked have been addressed. some will not happen (new example, request from Yolanda) ←
16:14:51 <Paolo> Luc: debate b/w ids and accounts still needed.
Luc Moreau: debate b/w ids and accounts still needed. ←
16:15:03 <Paolo> Luc: end of January target for next release (3rd WD)
Luc Moreau: end of January target for next release (3rd WD) ←
16:15:09 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
16:15:13 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:15:14 <Paolo> Luc: vote proposed around Jan 20th
Luc Moreau: vote proposed around Jan 20th ←
16:15:15 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:15:34 <Paolo> <correct> end of January target for next release VOTE
<correct> end of January target for next release VOTE ←
16:16:15 <Paolo> Luc: need feedback. Will invite WG to review the whole doc by Jan 15th
Luc Moreau: need feedback. Will invite WG to review the whole doc by Jan 15th ←
16:16:22 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:16:30 <Paolo> Luc: issue authors please comment o the state of your issues
Luc Moreau: issue authors please comment o the state of your issues ←
16:16:54 <dgarijo> I'm here, but I've been out this week.
Daniel Garijo: I'm here, but I've been out this week. ←
16:16:54 <Paolo> pgroth: plans for PROV-O?
Paul Groth: plans for PROV-O? ←
16:17:26 <Paolo> Satya: discussed org for next version, but no call this week
Satya Sahoo: discussed org for next version, but no call this week ←
16:17:51 <Paolo> Satya: discussed updating constraints part, following updates in PROV-DM.
Satya Sahoo: discussed updating constraints part, following updates in PROV-DM. ←
16:17:57 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:18:07 <Paolo> Satya: no constraints were included in the first release, that will happen in the next
Satya Sahoo: no constraints were included in the first release, that will happen in the next ←
16:18:24 <Paolo> Satya: realigning recipe -> plan
Satya Sahoo: realigning recipe -> plan ←
16:18:37 <Paolo> Satya: new complementOf proposal to be discussed in the next telco
Satya Sahoo: new complementOf proposal to be discussed in the next telco ←
16:18:52 <pgroth> ack luc
Paul Groth: ack luc ←
16:18:52 <Paolo> Satya: ditto for the data containers proposal (aka collections)
Satya Sahoo: ditto for the data containers proposal (aka collections) ←
16:19:02 <Paolo> Luc: timetable?
Luc Moreau: timetable? ←
16:20:11 <Paolo> Satya: reorg: Jan 10th target date. New features as discussed: around Jan 15-20
Satya Sahoo: reorg: Jan 10th target date. New features as discussed: around Jan 15-20 ←
16:21:12 <Paolo> Satya: release of next version: around last week of Jan
Satya Sahoo: release of next version: around last week of Jan ←
16:21:49 <Paolo> Luc: concerned about focus on the constraints -- they may still evolve in PROV_DM depending on discussion outcomes
Luc Moreau: concerned about focus on the constraints -- they may still evolve in PROV_DM depending on discussion outcomes ←
16:22:24 <Paolo> Luc: lightweight vocabulary for all the PROV-DM is desirable, constraints to be added later after their defs settles
Luc Moreau: lightweight vocabulary for all the PROV-DM is desirable, constraints to be added later after their defs settles ←
16:23:09 <Paolo> Luc: F2F 2 will talk about interoperability, so encoding of the vocabulary is essential if we are to be able to do that
Luc Moreau: F2F 2 will talk about interoperability, so encoding of the vocabulary is essential if we are to be able to do that ←
16:23:43 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:24:00 <Paolo> Satya: substantially agrees that all DM terms are reflected in -O
Satya Sahoo: substantially agrees that all DM terms are reflected in -O ←
16:24:30 <Paolo> Pgroth: please send out an update to the list after the next confcall with the new schedule
Paul Groth: please send out an update to the list after the next confcall with the new schedule ←
16:24:31 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:24:46 <Paolo> Satya: will do -- also, all invited to the -O call
Satya Sahoo: will do -- also, all invited to the -O call ←
16:24:51 <pgroth> q
Paul Groth: q ←
16:24:53 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:25:08 <pgroth> Topic: Prov-sem
Summary: James Cheney presented a draft of a formal semantics for PROV-DM and asked for input from the group.
<pgroth> summary: James Cheney presented a draft of a formal semantics for PROV-DM and asked for input from the group.
16:25:16 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/FormalSemanticsStrawman
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/FormalSemanticsStrawman ←
16:25:53 <Paolo> jcheney: rearranged the structure and terminology following -DM
James Cheney: rearranged the structure and terminology following -DM ←
16:26:26 <Paolo> jcheney: instance of the DM viewed as a formula
James Cheney: instance of the DM viewed as a formula ←
16:26:55 <Paolo> jcheney: "objects" with a lifetime, attributes. "objects" captures what is common to entities, activities, agents
James Cheney: "objects" with a lifetime, attributes. "objects" captures what is common to entities, activities, agents ←
16:27:17 <Paolo> jcheney: events are instantaneous but they can have attributes as well, so they are objects as well
James Cheney: events are instantaneous but they can have attributes as well, so they are objects as well ←
16:28:19 <Paolo> jcheney: (presentation on semantics)
James Cheney: (presentation on semantics) ←
16:28:44 <Paolo> jcheney: not clear whether time interpretation is needed. GK suggested to avoid time, which may be possible and simpler
James Cheney: not clear whether time interpretation is needed. GK suggested to avoid time, which may be possible and simpler ←
16:29:34 <Paolo> jcheney:: some things may hold "at any time" (see complementOf)
James Cheney: : some things may hold "at any time" (see complementOf) ←
16:30:00 <Paolo> others depend on time if the mapping ids- >object is independent of time, then fewer things will depend on time in the model
others depend on time if the mapping ids- >object is independent of time, then fewer things will depend on time in the model ←
16:30:02 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:30:13 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:30:28 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:30:38 <Paolo> del/others depend on time
del/others depend on time ←
16:31:19 <Paolo> Luc: this helps understanding the DM. what's the best way to discuss about specific points?
Luc Moreau: this helps understanding the DM. what's the best way to discuss about specific points? ←
16:32:23 <Paolo> jcheney: email the list. use actual issues for specific things
James Cheney: email the list. use actual issues for specific things ←
16:32:35 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:32:37 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
16:32:42 <Paolo> jcheney: e.g. the recent complementOf discussion was appropriately on the list
James Cheney: e.g. the recent complementOf discussion was appropriately on the list ←
16:32:43 <pgroth> ack satya
Paul Groth: ack satya ←
16:33:47 <Paolo> satya: time invariant/time dependent interpretations -- -DM is based mostly on events. are events going to replace time in -SEM?
Satya Sahoo: time invariant/time dependent interpretations -- -DM is based mostly on events. are events going to replace time in -SEM? ←
16:34:09 <pgroth> Zakim, who's noisy?
Paul Groth: Zakim, who's noisy? ←
16:34:24 <Zakim> pgroth, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P5 (4%), +44.238.059.aacc (60%)
Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P5 (4%), +44.238.059.aacc (60%) ←
16:34:43 <pgroth> P5 can you mute?
Paul Groth: P5 can you mute? ←
16:34:50 <Paolo> jcheney: time instants are arbitrary partial order. total order not needed. this maybe close to the notion of events in -DM
James Cheney: time instants are arbitrary partial order. total order not needed. this maybe close to the notion of events in -DM ←
16:35:49 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aadd ←
16:35:57 <Paolo> jcheney: ex: use, generation, activity start and end are events in -DM -- so events are associated with the specific relations and properties used in -DM
James Cheney: ex: use, generation, activity start and end are events in -DM -- so events are associated with the specific relations and properties used in -DM ←
16:37:11 <satya> @James- yes, that is something I would like to be considered and discussed
Satya Sahoo: @James- yes, that is something I would like to be considered and discussed ←
16:37:15 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:37:21 <Paolo> jcheney: there is an assumption that events are instantaneous, however they may span a temporal interval. This would make them similar to activities, possibly those that cannot be decomposed. but this is premature
James Cheney: there is an assumption that events are instantaneous, however they may span a temporal interval. This would make them similar to activities, possibly those that cannot be decomposed. but this is premature ←
16:38:21 <Paolo> jcheney: need feedback before moving on to additional sections
James Cheney: need feedback before moving on to additional sections ←
16:39:14 <Paolo> jcheney: complementarity is what it was prior to the latest discussion. It may not necessarily match the draft.
James Cheney: complementarity is what it was prior to the latest discussion. It may not necessarily match the draft. ←
16:39:39 <Paolo> jcheney: also added sections on the viewOf/foobar relations and tried to give them a formal meaning
James Cheney: also added sections on the viewOf/foobar relations and tried to give them a formal meaning ←
16:40:21 <Paolo> jcheney: viewOf anti-symmetric, lifetime containment, and relationship amongst the sets of attributes of the two entities
James Cheney: viewOf anti-symmetric, lifetime containment, and relationship amongst the sets of attributes of the two entities ←
16:40:53 <pgroth> type it
Paul Groth: type it ←
16:40:59 <Paolo> jcheney: foobar (now changed to alternateOf)
James Cheney: foobar (now changed to alternateOf) ←
16:41:16 <Paolo> jcheney: also being updated
James Cheney: also being updated ←
16:43:30 <Paolo> jcheney: mismatch between a property like "two entity IDs describe the same entity" vs "two entity IDs are associated with two entity records about the same real world thing, but which give different characterizationss"
James Cheney: mismatch between a property like "two entity IDs describe the same entity" vs "two entity IDs are associated with two entity records about the same real world thing, but which give different characterizationss" ←
16:43:56 <Paolo> jcheney: need further discussion over email
James Cheney: need further discussion over email ←
16:44:02 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:44:43 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:44:49 <pgroth> q-
Paul Groth: q- ←
16:44:54 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:45:03 <Paolo> jcheney: new recent changes in -DM regarding IDs of entity vs entity records should now be taken into account
James Cheney: new recent changes in -DM regarding IDs of entity vs entity records should now be taken into account ←
16:46:04 <Paolo> Luc: in -DM we have 3 levels: things in the world, entities, and entity records. Their distinction is important. In the -SEM doc the same distinction ought to be made.
Luc Moreau: in -DM we have 3 levels: things in the world, entities, and entity records. Their distinction is important. In the -SEM doc the same distinction ought to be made. ←
16:46:55 <Paolo> jcheney: yes that pushes -SEM in the direction of having 3 levels rather than 2 (as it is now in -SEM)
James Cheney: yes that pushes -SEM in the direction of having 3 levels rather than 2 (as it is now in -SEM) ←
16:47:32 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:48:29 <Paolo> pgroth: discuss identifiers or accounts?
Paul Groth: discuss identifiers or accounts? ←
16:48:40 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-DM Identifiers
Summary: editors of PROV-DM presented their recent changes that clarify the role of identifiers and how they relate to accounts. PROV-O team members were asked to see if this approach maps naturally to RDF named graphs and if so how. Tim Lebo said he would look at how the account examples map.
<pgroth> summary: editors of PROV-DM presented their recent changes that clarify the role of identifiers and how they relate to accounts. PROV-O team members were asked to see if this approach maps naturally to RDF named graphs and if so how. Tim Lebo said he would look at how the account examples map.
16:49:20 <Paolo> Luc: in -DM entities have identifiers, entity records include the ID of the entity, but we do not identify the entity record /itself/ using that same identifiers
Luc Moreau: in -DM entities have identifiers, entity records include the ID of the entity, but we do not identify the entity record /itself/ using that same identifiers ←
16:50:26 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:50:49 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:52:28 <Paolo> pgroth: id of an entity record -> account + entity Id. what's the implication from an access point of view? there is no URL direclty for the entity record
Paul Groth: id of an entity record -> account + entity Id. what's the implication from an access point of view? there is no URL direclty for the entity record ←
16:52:59 <Paolo> Luc: there should be no impact on the PAQ
Luc Moreau: there should be no impact on the PAQ ←
16:53:43 <Paolo> entity records must be searched possibly across multiple accounts. this has always been the understanding of how access works
entity records must be searched possibly across multiple accounts. this has always been the understanding of how access works ←
16:54:11 <Paolo> pgroth: now we only indirectly reference an entity record
Paul Groth: now we only indirectly reference an entity record ←
16:54:14 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:54:18 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:54:41 <tlebo> pgroth, an "entity record" is a chunk of an RDF abstract graph. An entity is mentioned and described in that graph.
Timothy Lebo: pgroth, an "entity record" is a chunk of an RDF abstract graph. An entity is mentioned and described in that graph. ←
16:54:45 <Paolo> Luc: there was never a direct way to refer to entity records. it was always in the context of a given account
Luc Moreau: there was never a direct way to refer to entity records. it was always in the context of a given account ←
16:54:48 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:55:17 <tlebo> +1 to avoid naming entity records.
Timothy Lebo: +1 to avoid naming entity records. ←
16:55:28 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:55:32 <Paolo> Luc: we have never been keen on minting new IDs for every entity record created. Req. was to minimize burden on asserters
Luc Moreau: we have never been keen on minting new IDs for every entity record created. Req. was to minimize burden on asserters ←
16:56:03 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:56:10 <tlebo> q+
Timothy Lebo: q+ ←
16:56:18 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
16:56:18 <Paolo> Luc: what do the SW people / PROV-O team think of accounts and how they can be mapped to SW constructs (eg named graphs)?
Luc Moreau: what do the SW people / PROV-O team think of accounts and how they can be mapped to SW constructs (eg named graphs)? ←
16:57:53 <Paolo> tlebo: accounts are being mapped to NGs, it seems to map to "abstract graph" -- indep. of encoding, location,etc.
Timothy Lebo: accounts are being mapped to NGs, it seems to map to "abstract graph" -- indep. of encoding, location,etc. ←
16:57:55 <Christine> apologies .. I need to leave .. thank you Paul and Luc
Christine Runnegar: apologies .. I need to leave .. thank you Paul and Luc ←
16:58:03 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
16:58:39 <Paolo> NGs are generally meant as graph containers. there is still some confusion on which interpretation of the NG should be used in this context
NGs are generally meant as graph containers. there is still some confusion on which interpretation of the NG should be used in this context ←
16:58:43 <satya> @Luc, sorry I have lost audio, will try to respond by mail to the updated account description in DM (an any points that Tim discusses regarding mapping to named graphs)
Satya Sahoo: @Luc, sorry I have lost audio, will try to respond by mail to the updated account description in DM (an any points that Tim discusses regarding mapping to named graphs) ←
16:59:50 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:59:55 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
17:00:06 <Paolo> will work off the concrete example in the id-accounts section in -DM
will work off the concrete example in the id-accounts section in -DM ←
17:00:21 <Paolo> Luc: can we focus on all the example of accounts found in the -DM doc?
Luc Moreau: can we focus on all the example of accounts found in the -DM doc? ←
17:00:39 <Paolo> to see what maps naturally and what doesn't
to see what maps naturally and what doesn't ←
17:01:23 <Paolo> Luc: account IDs are meant to be global, precisely to align with NG id convention
Luc Moreau: account IDs are meant to be global, precisely to align with NG id convention ←
17:02:12 <Zakim> + +1.443.708.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.708.aaee ←
17:02:21 <Paolo> Tlebo: SW does not provide global URIs for NG. some reconciliation will be needed
Timothy Lebo: SW does not provide global URIs for NG. some reconciliation will be needed ←
17:02:51 <Paolo> Luc: there is no obligation to encode account IDs are URIs
Luc Moreau: there is no obligation to encode account IDs are URIs ←
17:03:46 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
17:04:04 <Zakim> -tlebo
Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo ←
17:04:05 <Zakim> -dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo ←
17:04:06 <Zakim> -davidschaengold
Zakim IRC Bot: -davidschaengold ←
17:04:07 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a] ←
17:04:10 <Zakim> -pgroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth ←
17:04:11 <Zakim> - +44.238.059.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.238.059.aacc ←
17:04:12 <Zakim> - +1.443.708.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.443.708.aaee ←
17:04:12 <Zakim> - +1.518.633.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.633.aadd ←
17:04:14 <Zakim> -Paolo
Zakim IRC Bot: -Paolo ←
17:04:20 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt_Tilmes ←
17:04:22 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public ←
17:04:29 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:04:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/22-prov-minutes.html pgroth
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/22-prov-minutes.html pgroth ←
17:04:35 <pgroth> trackbot, end telecon
Paul Groth: trackbot, end telecon ←
17:04:35 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:04:35 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, Paolo, Curt_Tilmes, pchampin, davidschaengold, +1.315.330.aabb, tlebo, dgarijo, [IPcaller], +44.238.059.aacc, +1.518.633.aadd,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, Paolo, Curt_Tilmes, pchampin, davidschaengold, +1.315.330.aabb, tlebo, dgarijo, [IPcaller], +44.238.059.aacc, +1.518.633.aadd, ←
17:04:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:04:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/22-prov-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/22-prov-minutes.html trackbot ←
17:04:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
17:04:37 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
17:04:38 <Zakim> ... +1.443.708.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.443.708.aaee ←
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