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13:58:43 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #gld 13:58:43 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-gld-irc 13:58:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 13:58:45 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #gld 13:58:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD 13:58:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 13:58:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 13:58:48 <trackbot> Date: 27 September 2012 13:59:03 <bhyland> Good morning & afternoon all 13:59:05 <bhyland> Agenda: 13:59:07 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120927 13:59:27 <Zakim> +Sandro 13:59:41 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb 13:59:52 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is me 13:59:53 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it 14:00:00 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc 14:00:08 <bhyland> GT had last minute work obligation and asked me to chair today's meeting 14:00:39 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me 14:00:39 <Zakim> +cygri; got it 14:00:48 <Zakim> +??P8 14:01:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p8 is me 14:01:06 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 14:01:09 <PhilA2> PhilA2 has joined #gld 14:01:26 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has joined #gld 14:01:30 <gatemezi> gatemezi has joined #gld 14:01:59 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aadd 14:02:32 <fadmaa> fadmaa has joined #gld 14:02:33 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 14:02:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, +3539149aacc, BartvanLeeuwen, +33.4.93.00.aadd, +1.540.898.aaaa 14:02:36 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 14:02:38 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaee 14:02:56 <DeirdreLee> Zakim, +3539149aacc is me 14:02:56 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee; got it 14:03:03 <bhyland> zakim, aaaa is me 14:03:03 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it 14:03:17 <gatemezi> Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aadd is me 14:03:17 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it 14:03:21 <fadmaa> Zakim, fadmaa is with DeirdreLee 14:03:21 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it 14:03:52 <Zakim> +??P22 14:04:02 <martinAlvarez> martinAlvarez has joined #gld 14:04:06 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 14:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi, +33.4.93.00.aaee, DaveReynolds, bhyland 14:04:09 <Zakim> DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa 14:04:09 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 14:04:27 <PhilA2> zakim, I'm going to call back in since you didn't recognise my call 14:04:27 <Zakim> I don't understand you, PhilA2 14:04:32 <bhyland> zakim, aaee is gatemezi 14:04:34 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it 14:04:38 <Zakim> -gatemezi 14:04:57 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 14:04:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi.a, DaveReynolds, bhyland 14:05:00 <Zakim> DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa 14:05:02 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 14:05:03 <Gofran> Gofran has joined #GLD 14:05:05 <Zakim> +??P16 14:05:08 <Zakim> +??P29 14:05:11 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P16 is me 14:05:13 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it 14:05:14 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??P16 is me 14:05:14 <Zakim> I already had ??P16 as PhilA2, martinAlvarez 14:05:15 <fadmaa> Zakim, Gofran is with DeirdreLee 14:05:16 <Zakim> +Gofran; got it 14:05:27 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P29 is me 14:05:27 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it 14:05:32 <cygri> cygri has joined #gld 14:05:35 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here? 14:05:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi.a, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, PhilA2.a, bhyland 14:05:37 <Zakim> DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa, Gofran 14:05:37 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 14:05:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, Gofran, martinAlvarez, fadmaa, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, trackbot, danbri, mhausenblas, 14:05:40 <Zakim> ... sandro 14:05:51 <gatemezi> Zakim, gatemezi.a is me 14:05:52 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it 14:05:58 <martinAlvarez> zakim, mute me 14:06:00 <Zakim> sorry, martinAlvarez, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 14:06:09 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??P16 is me 14:06:11 <Zakim> I already had ??P16 as PhilA2, martinAlvarez 14:06:15 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton 14:06:42 <Mike__> Mike__ has joined #gld 14:06:43 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120927 14:06:45 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 14:07:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, PhilA2.a, Mike_Pendleton, bhyland 14:07:18 <Zakim> DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa, Gofran 14:07:20 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 14:08:06 <bhyland> Please confirm last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-09-20 14:08:09 <mhausenblas> +1 14:08:15 <DeirdreLee> Scribe: DeirdreLee 14:08:15 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120927 14:08:15 <gatemezi> +1 14:08:53 <PhilA2> +1 to last week's minutes 14:09:14 <tinagheen> tinagheen has joined #gld 14:09:25 <DeirdreLee> Chris Beer has just joined GLD WG 14:09:52 <Zakim> +[LC] 14:10:00 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me 14:10:00 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it 14:10:05 <PhilA2> Public spending http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/ 14:10:21 <DeirdreLee> There are also two other new members 14:10:56 <DeirdreLee> Vassilios Peristeras is an invited expert 14:10:57 <bhyland> Welcome to the new IEs: Chris Beer, Agis Papantoniou, and Vassilios 14:11:28 <PhilA2> Agis Papantoniou shows up on ICR as agipap 14:11:36 <PhilA2> s/ICR/IRC/ 14:12:12 <DeirdreLee> Topic: Working towards getting deliverables to LC status 14:12:30 <gatemezi> Zakim, mute me 14:12:30 <Zakim> gatemezi should now be muted 14:12:40 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: is there sufficient interest in the group and enough work being done to justify an extension 14:13:03 <DeirdreLee> ... cygri emailed summary of deliverables and status to list 14:13:20 <bhyland> q? 14:13:22 <DeirdreLee> ... could those named in that summary discuss status 14:13:23 <cygri> the deliverables summary is here btw: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Deliverables 14:13:29 <bhyland> Topics: Org Vocab 14:13:37 <bhyland> s/Topics/Topic 14:14:05 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: developed originally outside of WG 14:14:11 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: Mature and used vocab but there were changes suggested by Bart ... 14:14:25 <DeirdreLee> ... feedback from Bart on how vocab could be updated 14:14:50 <gatemezi> s/Bart/BartvanLeeuwen 14:14:52 <bhyland> ORG Vocab FPWD here http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/ 14:14:53 <DaveReynolds> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Sep/0030.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Sep/0031.html 14:14:58 <DeirdreLee> ... need to define role within ORG 14:14:58 <Zakim> +Sandro.a 14:15:50 <DeirdreLee> ... longest use of ORG is from UK government publishing data periodically 14:16:02 <PhilA2> -> http://data.gov.uk/organogram UK Government Organograms 14:16:14 <Yigal> Yigal has joined #gld 14:16:16 <DeirdreLee> ... Jeni Tenison carried out work on this 14:16:39 <DeirdreLee> ... it may be worth finalising, based on usage by Bart and Jeni 14:17:00 <Zakim> +??P27 14:17:01 <DeirdreLee> ... incorporate Jeni's extension into ORG 14:17:10 <Yigal> zakim, ??P27 is me 14:17:10 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it 14:17:13 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 14:17:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi (muted), DaveReynolds, PhilA2, PhilA2.a, Mike_Pendleton, tinagheen, Sandro.a, Yigal, bhyland 14:17:16 <Zakim> DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa, Gofran 14:17:16 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 14:17:42 <DeirdreLee> ... extension based around role and post 14:18:39 <DeirdreLee> ... this overlaps with some of ORG, so have to decide how to incorporate/integrate it 14:18:49 <DeirdreLee> ... recommendations should have to be included 14:19:18 <mhausenblas> Michael: Would be happy to go to LC with that 14:19:47 <DeirdreLee> ... asks should there be another working draft version or could we go straight to LC with these changes 14:20:29 <PhilA2> q+ 14:20:47 <mhausenblas> q+ to say just waiting for a proposal from DaveReynolds ;) 14:20:58 <bhyland> Bart feels satisfied with the changes that DaveReynolds 14:21:02 <bhyland> mentioned 14:21:43 <mhausenblas> q? 14:21:53 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: as long as the issues that have been raised have been considered/addressed, there may not be a need for another FPWD 14:22:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ 14:22:32 <bhyland> Sandro: If we say it is ready to LC, that means everyone in the WG has considered it & made whatever comments they wish to make. 14:22:34 <bhyland> q? 14:22:44 <mhausenblas> ack PhilA 14:22:45 <mhausenblas> q? 14:22:49 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: agrees with Bernadette. Highlights that once the document goes to LC, all comments should have been made 14:23:07 <DeirdreLee> PhilA2: Is there still writing to be done on ORG? 14:23:34 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: there is still some writing to be done 14:24:15 <DeirdreLee> ... suggests that this writing is finalised, and there is then sent to list for review, and then lt document go to LC 14:24:31 <bhyland> q? 14:24:33 <mhausenblas> Michael: based on http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#last-call 14:24:35 <mhausenblas> ack me 14:24:35 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to say just waiting for a proposal from DaveReynolds ;) 14:25:18 <DeirdreLee> mhausenblas: confirms that LC means the requirements has been met in terms of charter and dependencies on other groups has been satisfied 14:25:28 <bhyland> q? 14:25:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me 14:25:32 <PhilA2> q+ to talk about implementations other than UK gov 14:26:05 <DeirdreLee> ... once this is the case, Dave could push for LC 14:26:16 <bhyland> q? 14:26:19 <PhilA2> ack me 14:26:19 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to talk about implementations other than UK gov 14:26:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ 14:26:59 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: Do we know of an implmentation of ORG other than UK government organograms? 14:27:12 <DeirdreLee> ... in order to get to LC we need at lest 2 14:27:23 <bhyland> PhilA2: Asked whether there are any other reference implementations for ORG besides UK Organograms project 14:27:27 <bhyland> q? 14:27:34 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: There have been other uses, but doesn't know if they are public 14:27:56 <bhyland> MartinAlvarez: Said there are two implementation in Spain … Martin to add links. 14:28:02 <bhyland> q? 14:28:06 <DeirdreLee> MartinAlvarez: It has been used by the andalucia government and in the Spanish OD initiative 14:28:26 <bhyland> ack Bart 14:28:54 <gatemezi> Here http://data.lirmm.fr/ontologies/sp in France, 14:29:02 <DeirdreLee> BartvanLeeuwen: is involved in a disaster-managment project that plans to use ORG vocabulary 14:29:04 <gatemezi> you have also a ude -case of Org voca 14:29:10 <gatemezi> s/voca/vocab 14:29:19 <martinAlvarez> Andalussian Open Data: [http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/datosabiertos/portal.html] (Datasets are not public yet, but in process) 14:30:03 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: Can Dave specify a date when all these updates will be made? 14:30:03 <PhilA2> So when we get to CR we should be sitting in clover 14:30:22 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: Has just received a comment from Chris Beer, needs time to incorporate these 14:30:49 <DeirdreLee> ... aims to send out a revised document by next Thursday's meeting, so we can take a vote by the following Thursday 14:31:03 <martinAlvarez> Spanish Open Data [http://datos.gob.es] will publish these data as well 14:31:04 <bhyland> … suggested appointing a Reviewer 14:31:07 <DeirdreLee> ... should we point to a reviewer now? 14:32:20 <DeirdreLee> ... a reviewer is one or two people who are appointed to read the document, both for content and typo purposes, before LC version is published 14:32:38 <bhyland> Process note: 1-2 reviewers appointed to ensure QA within GLD WG … to avoid typos and glaring errors before going to LC 14:33:23 <cygri> zakim, pick a victim 14:33:23 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas 14:33:25 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick a victim 14:33:26 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BartvanLeeuwen 14:34:05 <bhyland> Many thanks to Bart and Michael for agreeing to be Reviewers. 14:34:18 <mhausenblas> Michael: You're *very* welcome 14:35:03 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: will read as native english speaker and as a potential user and as chaire 14:35:15 <DeirdreLee> s/chaire/chair 14:36:30 <bhyland> q? 14:36:39 <bhyland> Woohoo! 14:37:13 <DeirdreLee> Topic: DCAT 14:37:53 <bhyland> Yes please Deirdre! 14:38:17 <bhyland> two actions really, one for Dave, second as reviewers for Michael, Bart and me 14:38:20 <DeirdreLee> fadmaa: suggests to go through the issues in dcat and try and clear them 14:38:52 <bhyland> Fadi proposed going through tracker re: DCAT see https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 14:39:22 <Zakim> -Sandro.a 14:39:54 <cygri> ISSUE-4? 14:39:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-4 -- Should we define ranges for other people's vocabularies? -- raised 14:39:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/4 14:40:24 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: close issue with no actions reason: based on the related discussion it seems that this doesn't make big difference. My preference (and Phil's as in the issue description) is to provide usage note without stating assertions about external properties 14:40:35 <sandro> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-4 saying "No", but we'll include usage notes 14:40:42 <cygri> +1 14:40:45 <mhausenblas> +1 14:40:47 <gatemezi> +1 14:40:47 <sandro> +0 14:40:48 <DaveReynolds> +1 14:40:49 <fadmaa> +1 14:41:08 <sandro> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-4 saying "No", but we'll include usage notes 14:41:14 <cygri> ISSUE-5? 14:41:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-5 -- Implications of the domain of dcterms:accrualPeriodicity -- raised 14:41:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/5 14:41:48 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: close with no actions reason: the implication of inferring dcat:Dataset as dcterms:Collection is fine 14:42:00 <sandro> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5 with no action. 14:42:02 <DeirdreLee> (suggestions come from Fadi's mail to mailing-list) 14:42:17 <gatemezi> +1 14:42:17 <martinAlvarez> +1 14:42:18 <fadmaa> +1 14:42:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-5 with no action. 14:42:40 <cygri> ISSUE-6? 14:42:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-6 -- How should dcat publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised 14:42:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6 14:42:46 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: close with no action reason: out of scope. We can provide some pointers in the usage note for values that have some general consensus but without making this part of the vocabulary specification 14:43:24 <cygri> q+ 14:43:26 <DeirdreLee> fadmaa: does anyone have concrete suggestions? 14:44:34 <DeirdreLee> cygri: we don't need to make any formal recommendations, but we should make some comment outlining possibilities 14:44:36 <bhyland> cygri: There should be mention of the possibilities for handling non-literal ranges 14:44:44 <bhyland> q? 14:44:46 <sandro> cygri: We don't need a formal MUST, but we should say something, outlining the possibilities. Or maybe in the Best Practices document. Some paragraphs, with some examples. 14:44:49 <DeirdreLee> ... could this be included in the best-practice document? 14:44:52 <DeirdreLee> ack cygri 14:44:52 <PhilA2> +1 to talking about this in the BP document. It's an issue but I agree it's not specific to DCAT 14:45:08 <bhyland> +1 14:45:10 <sandro> bhyland: Right, it's not unique to DCAT. 14:45:20 <DeirdreLee> cygri: these patterns are applicable to all vocabularies, not just DCAT 14:45:35 <gatemezi> +1 14:45:38 <sandro> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-6, deferring to Best Practices for this kind of advice 14:45:50 <bhyland> +1 14:47:00 <cygri> PROPOSAL: move ISSUE-6 from DCAT to BP, and add ACTION to a DCAT editor on putting in a link 14:47:26 <bhyland> +1 14:47:39 <fadmaa> +1 14:47:41 <sandro> +1 14:48:37 <DeirdreLee> PhilA2: there is a dependency on the BP doc 14:48:37 <cygri> +1 14:48:37 <sandro> RESOLVED: move ISSUE-6 from DCAT to BP, and add ACTION to a DCAT editor on putting in a link 14:48:40 <PhilA2> ACTION fadmaa to include text in DCAT to point to the BP doc, with link to the issue in the interim 14:48:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Include text in DCAT to point to the BP doc, with link to the issue in the interim [on Fadi Maali - due 2012-10-04]. 14:48:46 <cygri> ISSUE-7? 14:48:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- Drop dcat:accessUrl, use the URI of the dcat:Download resource instead -- raised 14:48:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7 14:49:18 <cygri> PROPOSAL: drop ISSUE-7 with no action 14:49:19 <sandro> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-7, no action, keeping accessUrl as it's still needed. 14:49:19 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: close with no actions reason: dcat:accessURL is needed especially when a dataset has multiple distributions (see the related emails on the issue page for details) 14:49:38 <cygri> +1 14:49:43 <sandro> +1 14:49:44 <DaveReynolds> +1 14:49:45 <fadmaa> +1 14:50:06 <mhausenblas> +1 14:50:09 <gatemezi> +1 14:50:13 <sandro> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-7, no action, keeping accessUrl as it's still needed. 14:50:16 <cygri> ISSUE-8? 14:50:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-8 -- add a property to distinguish direct and indirect access of dcat:Distribution -- raised 14:50:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/8 14:50:23 <sandro> PhilA2: I hate accessUrl, but I see it's necessary. 14:50:26 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: no suggestion reason: need some further discussions. I summarized three possible options here at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Mar/0080.html 14:50:45 <cygri> ISSUE-9? 14:50:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- dcat:Distribution and its subclasses are unnecessary -- raised 14:50:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/9 14:50:47 <DeirdreLee> fadmaa: there is no clear consensus on this issue 14:51:04 <cygri> +1 14:51:16 <DeirdreLee> q+ 14:51:43 <PhilA2> ack DeirdreLee 14:51:48 <cygri> q+ 14:51:54 <sandro> yes, all issues need to be closed before going to LC 14:51:55 <cygri> q- 14:51:57 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: leave issue 8 and 9 open 14:52:14 <DeirdreLee> DeirdreLee: can we have a plan to resolve these issues 14:52:31 <sandro> issue-10? 14:52:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- raised 14:52:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10 14:52:41 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: follow-up on this on email, if it can't be resolved, it will be discussed in future telco 14:52:49 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: close with no actions reason: dcat:granularity is not much used in practice now (but still used by data.gov for example and therefore I don't support dropping it). It is hard to suggest refinement to it. suggest keeping it as a general property in case people want to use it. --> close no action 14:53:32 <cygri> q+ 14:53:43 <bhyland> I hear 'move it to Open status' 14:53:50 <gatemezi> fadmaa, so we leave it just because is used by data.gov? 14:54:03 <bhyland> q? 14:54:08 <DeirdreLee> fadmaa: it is not clear how it will be used, but there is potential for it, so therefore just to leave it and not further refining it to subproperties 14:54:19 <sandro> q+ to ask if you can do spatial and temporal granularity with dcat:granularity 14:54:54 <sandro> +1 cygri don't include properties that wont be understood/consistently used. 14:54:56 <bhyland> Cygri: Prudent thing to do is drop it *if* we don't think it will be used consistently... 14:55:16 <DeirdreLee> cygri: if it is unclear how it is used, the prudent thing is to drop it 14:55:22 <bhyland> +1 14:55:29 <bhyland> q? 14:55:32 <gatemezi> +1 14:55:33 <bhyland> ack cygri 14:55:33 <sandro> q- 14:55:47 <PhilA2> q+ 14:56:00 <bhyland> Deirdre: Mentioned it is used on data.gov so we might break something which is undesireable. 14:56:04 <bhyland> q? 14:56:15 <gatemezi> +1 to have a sample of the use-case of data.gov 14:56:53 <bhyland> I suggest we move this to Open status and check back next week with George as our data.gov POC 14:56:59 <tinagheen> Is Chris Musialek still a member of this WG? We could ask him for more details as he works on data.gov. 14:57:39 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: if we are discussing granularity or coverage, because spatial and temporal are DC terms 14:57:43 <cygri> i'm ok with changing ISSUE-10 to open 14:58:21 <bhyland> Please make sure you visit this page, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Deliverables 14:58:33 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: we didn't get to discuss the deliverables summary that Richard sent around 14:59:00 <DeirdreLee> q+ 14:59:17 <mhausenblas> q+ to quickly state something re People vocab 14:59:48 <sandro> q+ to suggest fadi email PROPOSAL's on handling these. 15:00:05 <DeirdreLee> ... we should review ISA vocab docs in our own time and use telcos to discuss 15:00:17 <sandro> fadmaa, can you email proposed resolutions, like I've been putting on IRC? 15:00:28 <sandro> q- 15:00:31 <bhyland> q? 15:00:35 <PhilA2> q- 15:00:55 <mhausenblas> q? 15:01:02 <mhausenblas> ack DeirdreLee 15:01:20 <bhyland> ta 15:01:29 <mhausenblas> Michael: for the record, Gofran is already a member 15:01:31 <PhilA2> DeirdreLee: We've discussed ADMS here at DERI. Gofran Shukair has been involved with it from the beginning so she's going to join the editoral team for ADMS 15:01:32 <mhausenblas> q? 15:01:41 <bhyland> +1 to adding Gogran to the ISA Programme vocab review group 15:02:04 <gatemezi> s/Gogran/Gofran 15:02:05 <bhyland> s/Gogran/Gofran 15:02:21 <bhyland> Topic: Deliverables Schedule 15:02:40 <bhyland> Please review http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Deliverables for next week 15:03:00 <DeirdreLee> .mhausenblas: People vocabulary. what should the namepace be? 15:03:03 <bhyland> Topic: ISA Programme vocabs 15:03:06 <bhyland> q? 15:03:14 <bhyland> ack michael 15:03:15 <DeirdreLee> ... this decision should be made by the group 15:03:21 <bhyland> ack mhausenblas 15:03:21 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to quickly state something re People vocab 15:03:34 <bhyland> q? 15:04:04 <sandro> The only promise to the EC was that this would considered. 15:04:04 <PhilA2> No one disagrees with you Michael, certainly not me :-) 15:04:04 <mhausenblas> q? 15:04:20 <PhilA2> And it's why these things have not yet been published... 15:04:27 <sandro> bhyland: We just agreed to review it. 15:05:00 <mhausenblas> [[ Finally, W3C and the WG chairs made a commitment to the European Commission that we would, in some way, publish the ISA Person Core Vocabulary in w3.org space. We can't just ignore that commitment. ]] 15:05:25 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: there's no rubber-stamping on this, so it does needs everyones input to review it and agree to it, before we include it 15:05:28 <Zakim> + +61.4.286.0.aaff 15:05:30 <bhyland> Right, the commitment is to *review* it and if OK, we'll go through the normal & usual REC track process 15:06:02 <mhausenblas> Michael: I agree with the interpretation that the chairs have committed to review it, yes. 15:06:24 <bhyland> q? 15:06:38 <PhilA2> zakim, aaff is Chris Beer 15:06:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaff is Chris Beer', PhilA2 15:06:44 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton 15:06:55 <cygri> thanks all! 15:07:00 <PhilA2> zakim, aaff is Chris_Beer 15:07:00 <Zakim> +Chris_Beer; got it 15:07:02 <gatemezi> thanks! 15:07:03 <Zakim> -Yigal 15:07:05 <Zakim> -mhausenblas 15:07:06 <Zakim> -PhilA2 15:07:08 <Zakim> -tinagheen 15:07:08 <Yigal> Yigal has left #gld 15:07:10 <Zakim> -Sandro 15:07:12 <DaveReynolds> Thanks all. 15:07:18 <martinAlvarez> martinAlvarez has left #gld 15:07:28 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has left #gld 15:07:39 <Zakim> -gatemezi 15:07:42 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds 15:07:47 <Zakim> -PhilA2.a 15:07:49 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen 15:08:35 <DeirdreLee> Action Dave to include all updates and distribute next version of ORG vocabulary by next Thursday's meeting (4th Oct) 15:08:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Include all updates and distribute next version of ORG vocabulary by next Thursday's meeting (4th Oct) [on Dave Reynolds - due 2012-10-04]. 15:09:36 <DeirdreLee> ACTION mhausenblas and bartvanLeeuwen to review the final version of the ORG vocabulary for content and typo errors before the document is released as LC 15:09:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - And bartvanLeeuwen to review the final version of the ORG vocabulary for content and typo errors before the document is released as LC [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-10-04]. 15:10:12 <bhyland> Thanks Deirdre for keeping up with today's minutes 15:11:09 <bhyland> Do you need any help publishing minutes Deirdre? 15:11:24 <bhyland> OK, I'll do it. 15:11:33 <bhyland> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 15:11:44 <bhyland> RRSAgent, generate minutes 15:11:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-gld-minutes.html bhyland 15:12:04 <DeirdreLee> thanks Bernadette 15:12:08 <bhyland> np 15:13:41 <Zakim> -DeirdreLee # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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