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13:58:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
13:58:48 <trackbot> Date: 27 September 2012
13:59:03 <bhyland> Good morning & afternoon all
13:59:05 <bhyland> Agenda:
13:59:07 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120927
13:59:27 <Zakim> +Sandro
13:59:41 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb
13:59:52 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is me
13:59:53 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
14:00:00 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc
14:00:08 <bhyland> GT had last minute work obligation and asked me to chair today's meeting
14:00:39 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
14:00:39 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
14:00:48 <Zakim> +??P8
14:01:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p8 is me
14:01:06 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
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14:02:33 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
14:02:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, +3539149aacc, BartvanLeeuwen, +33.4.93.00.aadd, +1.540.898.aaaa
14:02:36 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
14:02:38 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaee
14:02:56 <DeirdreLee> Zakim, +3539149aacc is me
14:02:56 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee; got it
14:03:03 <bhyland> zakim, aaaa is me
14:03:03 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it
14:03:17 <gatemezi> Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aadd is me
14:03:17 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it
14:03:21 <fadmaa> Zakim, fadmaa is with DeirdreLee 
14:03:21 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
14:03:52 <Zakim> +??P22
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14:04:06 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
14:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi, +33.4.93.00.aaee, DaveReynolds, bhyland
14:04:09 <Zakim> DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa
14:04:09 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
14:04:27 <PhilA2> zakim, I'm going to call back in since you didn't recognise my call
14:04:27 <Zakim> I don't understand you, PhilA2
14:04:32 <bhyland> zakim, aaee is gatemezi
14:04:34 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it
14:04:38 <Zakim> -gatemezi
14:04:57 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
14:04:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi.a, DaveReynolds, bhyland
14:05:00 <Zakim> DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa
14:05:02 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
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14:05:11 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P16 is me
14:05:13 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it
14:05:14 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??P16 is me
14:05:14 <Zakim> I already had ??P16 as PhilA2, martinAlvarez
14:05:15 <fadmaa> Zakim, Gofran is with DeirdreLee 
14:05:16 <Zakim> +Gofran; got it
14:05:27 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P29 is me
14:05:27 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it
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14:05:35 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?
14:05:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi.a, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, PhilA2.a, bhyland
14:05:37 <Zakim> DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa, Gofran
14:05:37 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
14:05:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, Gofran, martinAlvarez, fadmaa, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, trackbot, danbri, mhausenblas,
14:05:40 <Zakim> ... sandro
14:05:51 <gatemezi> Zakim, gatemezi.a is me
14:05:52 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it
14:05:58 <martinAlvarez> zakim, mute me
14:06:00 <Zakim> sorry, martinAlvarez, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:06:09 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??P16 is me
14:06:11 <Zakim> I already had ??P16 as PhilA2, martinAlvarez
14:06:15 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton
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14:06:43 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120927
14:06:45 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
14:07:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, PhilA2.a, Mike_Pendleton, bhyland
14:07:18 <Zakim> DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa, Gofran
14:07:20 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
14:08:06 <bhyland> Please confirm last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-09-20
14:08:09 <mhausenblas> +1
14:08:15 <DeirdreLee> Scribe: DeirdreLee
14:08:15 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120927
14:08:15 <gatemezi> +1
14:08:53 <PhilA2> +1 to last week's minutes
14:09:14 <tinagheen> tinagheen has joined #gld
14:09:25 <DeirdreLee> Chris Beer has just joined GLD WG
14:09:52 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:10:00 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me
14:10:00 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it
14:10:05 <PhilA2> Public spending http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/
14:10:21 <DeirdreLee> There are also two other new members 
14:10:56 <DeirdreLee> Vassilios Peristeras is an invited expert
14:10:57 <bhyland> Welcome to the new IEs: Chris Beer,  Agis Papantoniou, and Vassilios
14:11:28 <PhilA2> Agis Papantoniou shows up on ICR as agipap
14:11:36 <PhilA2> s/ICR/IRC/
14:12:12 <DeirdreLee> Topic: Working towards getting deliverables to LC status
14:12:30 <gatemezi> Zakim, mute me
14:12:30 <Zakim> gatemezi should now be muted
14:12:40 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: is there sufficient interest in the group and enough work being done to justify an extension
14:13:03 <DeirdreLee> ... cygri emailed summary of deliverables and status to list
14:13:20 <bhyland> q?
14:13:22 <DeirdreLee> ... could those named in that summary discuss status
14:13:23 <cygri> the deliverables summary is here btw: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Deliverables
14:13:29 <bhyland> Topics: Org Vocab
14:13:37 <bhyland> s/Topics/Topic
14:14:05 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: developed originally outside of WG
14:14:11 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: Mature and used vocab but there were changes suggested by Bart ...
14:14:25 <DeirdreLee> ... feedback from Bart on how vocab could be updated
14:14:50 <gatemezi> s/Bart/BartvanLeeuwen
14:14:52 <bhyland> ORG Vocab FPWD here http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/
14:14:53 <DaveReynolds> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Sep/0030.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Sep/0031.html
14:14:58 <DeirdreLee> ... need to define role within ORG
14:14:58 <Zakim> +Sandro.a
14:15:50 <DeirdreLee> ... longest use of ORG is from UK government publishing data periodically
14:16:02 <PhilA2> -> http://data.gov.uk/organogram UK Government Organograms
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14:16:16 <DeirdreLee> ... Jeni Tenison carried out work on this
14:16:39 <DeirdreLee> ... it may be worth finalising, based on usage by Bart and Jeni
14:17:00 <Zakim> +??P27
14:17:01 <DeirdreLee> ... incorporate Jeni's extension into ORG
14:17:10 <Yigal> zakim, ??P27 is me
14:17:10 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it
14:17:13 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
14:17:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, mhausenblas, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, gatemezi (muted), DaveReynolds, PhilA2, PhilA2.a, Mike_Pendleton, tinagheen, Sandro.a, Yigal, bhyland
14:17:16 <Zakim> DeirdreLee has DeirdreLee, fadmaa, Gofran
14:17:16 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
14:17:42 <DeirdreLee> ... extension based around role and post
14:18:39 <DeirdreLee> ... this overlaps with some of ORG, so have to decide how to incorporate/integrate it
14:18:49 <DeirdreLee> ... recommendations should have to be included
14:19:18 <mhausenblas> Michael: Would be happy to go to LC with that
14:19:47 <DeirdreLee> ... asks should there be another  working draft version or could we go straight to LC with these changes
14:20:29 <PhilA2> q+
14:20:47 <mhausenblas> q+ to say just waiting for a proposal from DaveReynolds ;)
14:20:58 <bhyland> Bart feels satisfied with the changes that DaveReynolds
14:21:02 <bhyland> mentioned
14:21:43 <mhausenblas> q?
14:21:53 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: as long as the issues that have been raised have been considered/addressed, there may not be a need for another FPWD
14:22:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
14:22:32 <bhyland> Sandro: If we say it is ready to LC, that means everyone in the WG has considered it & made whatever comments they wish to make.
14:22:34 <bhyland> q?
14:22:44 <mhausenblas> ack PhilA
14:22:45 <mhausenblas> q?
14:22:49 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: agrees with Bernadette. Highlights that once the document goes to LC, all comments should have been made
14:23:07 <DeirdreLee> PhilA2: Is there still writing to be done on ORG?
14:23:34 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: there is still some writing to be done
14:24:15 <DeirdreLee> ... suggests that this writing is finalised, and there is then sent to list for review, and then lt document go to LC
14:24:31 <bhyland> q?
14:24:33 <mhausenblas> Michael: based on http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#last-call 
14:24:35 <mhausenblas> ack me
14:24:35 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to say just waiting for a proposal from DaveReynolds ;)
14:25:18 <DeirdreLee> mhausenblas: confirms that LC means the requirements has been met in terms of charter and dependencies on other groups has been satisfied
14:25:28 <bhyland> q?
14:25:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
14:25:32 <PhilA2> q+ to talk about implementations other than UK gov
14:26:05 <DeirdreLee> ... once this is the case, Dave could push for LC
14:26:16 <bhyland> q?
14:26:19 <PhilA2> ack me
14:26:19 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to talk about implementations other than UK gov
14:26:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
14:26:59 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: Do we know of an implmentation of ORG other than UK government organograms?
14:27:12 <DeirdreLee> ... in order to get to LC we need at lest 2
14:27:23 <bhyland> PhilA2: Asked whether there are any other reference implementations for ORG besides UK Organograms project
14:27:27 <bhyland> q?
14:27:34 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds:  There have been other uses, but doesn't know if they are public
14:27:56 <bhyland> MartinAlvarez: Said there are two implementation in Spain … Martin to add links.
14:28:02 <bhyland> q?
14:28:06 <DeirdreLee> MartinAlvarez: It has been used by the andalucia government and in the Spanish OD initiative
14:28:26 <bhyland> ack Bart
14:28:54 <gatemezi> Here http://data.lirmm.fr/ontologies/sp in France, 
14:29:02 <DeirdreLee> BartvanLeeuwen: is involved in a disaster-managment project that plans to use ORG vocabulary
14:29:04 <gatemezi> you have also a ude -case of Org voca
14:29:10 <gatemezi> s/voca/vocab
14:29:19 <martinAlvarez> Andalussian Open Data: [http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/datosabiertos/portal.html] (Datasets are not public yet, but in process)
14:30:03 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: Can Dave specify a date when all these updates will be made?
14:30:03 <PhilA2> So when we get to CR we should be sitting in clover
14:30:22 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: Has just received a comment from Chris Beer, needs time to incorporate these
14:30:49 <DeirdreLee> ... aims to send out a revised document by next Thursday's meeting, so we can take a vote by the following Thursday
14:31:03 <martinAlvarez> Spanish Open Data  [http://datos.gob.es] will publish these data as well
14:31:04 <bhyland> … suggested appointing a Reviewer
14:31:07 <DeirdreLee> ... should we point to a reviewer now?
14:32:20 <DeirdreLee> ... a reviewer is one or two people who are appointed to read the document, both for content and typo purposes, before LC version is published
14:32:38 <bhyland> Process note: 1-2 reviewers appointed to ensure QA within GLD WG … to avoid typos and glaring errors before going to LC 
14:33:23 <cygri> zakim, pick a victim
14:33:23 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas
14:33:25 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick a victim
14:33:26 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BartvanLeeuwen
14:34:05 <bhyland> Many thanks to Bart and Michael for agreeing to be Reviewers.
14:34:18 <mhausenblas> Michael: You're *very* welcome
14:35:03 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: will read as native english speaker and as a potential user and as chaire
14:35:15 <DeirdreLee> s/chaire/chair
14:36:30 <bhyland> q?
14:36:39 <bhyland> Woohoo!
14:37:13 <DeirdreLee> Topic: DCAT
14:37:53 <bhyland> Yes please Deirdre!
14:38:17 <bhyland> two actions really, one for Dave, second as reviewers for Michael, Bart and me
14:38:20 <DeirdreLee> fadmaa: suggests to go through the issues in dcat and try and clear them
14:38:52 <bhyland> Fadi proposed going through tracker re: DCAT see https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2
14:39:22 <Zakim> -Sandro.a
14:39:54 <cygri> ISSUE-4?
14:39:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-4 -- Should we define ranges for other people's vocabularies? -- raised
14:39:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/4
14:40:24 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: close issue with no actions   reason: based on the related discussion it seems that this doesn't make big difference. My preference (and Phil's as in the issue description) is to provide usage note without stating assertions about external properties  
14:40:35 <sandro> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-4 saying "No", but we'll include usage notes
14:40:42 <cygri> +1
14:40:45 <mhausenblas> +1
14:40:47 <gatemezi> +1
14:40:47 <sandro> +0
14:40:48 <DaveReynolds> +1
14:40:49 <fadmaa> +1
14:41:08 <sandro> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-4 saying "No", but we'll include usage notes
14:41:14 <cygri> ISSUE-5?
14:41:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-5 -- Implications of the domain of dcterms:accrualPeriodicity -- raised
14:41:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/5
14:41:48 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: close with no actions   reason: the implication of inferring dcat:Dataset as dcterms:Collection is fine
14:42:00 <sandro> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5 with no action.   
14:42:02 <DeirdreLee> (suggestions come from Fadi's mail to mailing-list)
14:42:17 <gatemezi> +1
14:42:17 <martinAlvarez> +1
14:42:18 <fadmaa> +1
14:42:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-5 with no action.   
14:42:40 <cygri> ISSUE-6?
14:42:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-6 -- How should dcat publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised
14:42:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6
14:42:46 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: close with no action   reason: out of scope. We can provide some pointers in the usage note for values that have some general consensus but without making this part of the vocabulary specification
14:43:24 <cygri> q+
14:43:26 <DeirdreLee> fadmaa: does anyone have concrete suggestions?
14:44:34 <DeirdreLee> cygri: we don't need to make any formal recommendations, but we should make some comment outlining possibilities
14:44:36 <bhyland> cygri: There should be mention of the possibilities for handling non-literal ranges
14:44:44 <bhyland> q?
14:44:46 <sandro> cygri: We don't need a formal MUST, but we should say something, outlining the possibilities.   Or maybe in the Best Practices document.    Some paragraphs, with some examples.
14:44:49 <DeirdreLee> ... could this be included in the best-practice document?
14:44:52 <DeirdreLee> ack cygri
14:44:52 <PhilA2> +1 to talking about this in the BP document. It's an issue but I agree it's not specific to DCAT
14:45:08 <bhyland> +1
14:45:10 <sandro> bhyland: Right, it's not unique to DCAT.
14:45:20 <DeirdreLee> cygri: these patterns are applicable to all vocabularies, not just DCAT
14:45:35 <gatemezi> +1 
14:45:38 <sandro> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-6, deferring to Best Practices for this kind of advice
14:45:50 <bhyland> +1
14:47:00 <cygri> PROPOSAL: move ISSUE-6 from DCAT to BP, and add ACTION to a DCAT editor on putting in a link
14:47:26 <bhyland> +1
14:47:39 <fadmaa> +1
14:47:41 <sandro> +1
14:48:37 <DeirdreLee> PhilA2: there is a dependency on the BP doc
14:48:37 <cygri> +1
14:48:37 <sandro> RESOLVED: move ISSUE-6 from DCAT to BP, and add ACTION to a DCAT editor on putting in a link
14:48:40 <PhilA2> ACTION fadmaa to include text in DCAT to point to the BP doc, with link to the issue in the interim
14:48:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Include text in DCAT to point to the BP doc, with link to the issue in the interim [on Fadi Maali - due 2012-10-04].
14:48:46 <cygri> ISSUE-7?
14:48:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- Drop dcat:accessUrl, use the URI of the dcat:Download resource instead -- raised
14:48:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7
14:49:18 <cygri> PROPOSAL: drop ISSUE-7 with no action
14:49:19 <sandro> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-7, no action, keeping accessUrl as it's still needed.
14:49:19 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: close with no actions   reason: dcat:accessURL is needed especially when a dataset has multiple distributions (see the related emails on the issue page for details)
14:49:38 <cygri> +1
14:49:43 <sandro> +1
14:49:44 <DaveReynolds> +1
14:49:45 <fadmaa> +1
14:50:06 <mhausenblas> +1
14:50:09 <gatemezi> +1
14:50:13 <sandro> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-7, no action, keeping accessUrl as it's still needed.
14:50:16 <cygri> ISSUE-8?
14:50:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-8 -- add a property to distinguish direct and indirect access of dcat:Distribution -- raised
14:50:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/8
14:50:23 <sandro> PhilA2: I hate accessUrl, but I see it's necessary.
14:50:26 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: no suggestion   reason: need some further discussions. I summarized three possible options here at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Mar/0080.html
14:50:45 <cygri> ISSUE-9?
14:50:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- dcat:Distribution and its subclasses are unnecessary -- raised
14:50:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/9
14:50:47 <DeirdreLee> fadmaa: there is no clear consensus on this issue
14:51:04 <cygri> +1
14:51:16 <DeirdreLee> q+
14:51:43 <PhilA2> ack DeirdreLee
14:51:48 <cygri> q+
14:51:54 <sandro> yes, all issues need to be closed before going to LC
14:51:55 <cygri> q-
14:51:57 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: leave issue 8 and 9 open
14:52:14 <DeirdreLee> DeirdreLee: can we have a plan to resolve these issues
14:52:31 <sandro> issue-10?
14:52:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- raised
14:52:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10
14:52:41 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: follow-up on this on email, if it can't be resolved, it will be discussed in future telco
14:52:49 <DeirdreLee> suggestion: close with no actions   reason: dcat:granularity is not much used in practice now (but still used by data.gov for example and therefore I don't support dropping it). It is hard to suggest refinement to it. suggest keeping it as a general property in case people want to use it. --> close no action
14:53:32 <cygri> q+
14:53:43 <bhyland> I hear 'move it to Open status'
14:53:50 <gatemezi> fadmaa, so we leave it just because is used by data.gov? 
14:54:03 <bhyland> q?
14:54:08 <DeirdreLee> fadmaa: it is not clear how it will be used, but there is potential for it, so therefore just to leave it and not further refining it to subproperties
14:54:19 <sandro> q+ to ask if you can do spatial and temporal granularity with dcat:granularity
14:54:54 <sandro> +1 cygri don't include properties that wont be understood/consistently used.
14:54:56 <bhyland> Cygri: Prudent thing to do is drop it *if* we don't think it will be used consistently...
14:55:16 <DeirdreLee> cygri: if it is unclear how it is used, the prudent thing is to drop it
14:55:22 <bhyland> +1
14:55:29 <bhyland> q?
14:55:32 <gatemezi> +1
14:55:33 <bhyland> ack cygri
14:55:33 <sandro> q-
14:55:47 <PhilA2> q+
14:56:00 <bhyland> Deirdre: Mentioned it is used on data.gov so we might break something which is undesireable.
14:56:04 <bhyland> q?
14:56:15 <gatemezi> +1 to have a sample of the use-case of data.gov
14:56:53 <bhyland> I suggest we move this to Open status and check back next week with George as our data.gov POC
14:56:59 <tinagheen> Is Chris Musialek still a member of this WG? We could ask him for more details as he works on data.gov.
14:57:39 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: if we are discussing granularity or coverage, because spatial and temporal are DC terms
14:57:43 <cygri> i'm ok with changing ISSUE-10 to open
14:58:21 <bhyland> Please make sure you visit this page, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Deliverables
14:58:33 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: we didn't get to discuss the deliverables summary that Richard sent around
14:59:00 <DeirdreLee> q+
14:59:17 <mhausenblas> q+ to quickly state something re People vocab
14:59:48 <sandro> q+ to suggest fadi email PROPOSAL's on handling these.
15:00:05 <DeirdreLee> ... we should review ISA vocab docs in our own time and use telcos to discuss 
15:00:17 <sandro> fadmaa, can you email proposed resolutions, like I've been putting on IRC?
15:00:28 <sandro> q-
15:00:31 <bhyland> q?
15:00:35 <PhilA2> q-
15:00:55 <mhausenblas> q?
15:01:02 <mhausenblas> ack DeirdreLee 
15:01:20 <bhyland> ta
15:01:29 <mhausenblas> Michael: for the record, Gofran is already a member
15:01:31 <PhilA2> DeirdreLee: We've discussed ADMS here at DERI. Gofran Shukair has been involved with it from the beginning so she's going to join the editoral team for ADMS
15:01:32 <mhausenblas> q?
15:01:41 <bhyland> +1 to adding Gogran to the ISA Programme vocab review group
15:02:04 <gatemezi> s/Gogran/Gofran
15:02:05 <bhyland> s/Gogran/Gofran
15:02:21 <bhyland> Topic: Deliverables Schedule
15:02:40 <bhyland> Please review http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Deliverables for next week
15:03:00 <DeirdreLee> .mhausenblas: People vocabulary. what should the namepace be? 
15:03:03 <bhyland> Topic: ISA Programme vocabs 
15:03:06 <bhyland> q?
15:03:14 <bhyland> ack michael
15:03:15 <DeirdreLee> ... this decision should be made by the group
15:03:21 <bhyland> ack mhausenblas
15:03:21 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to quickly state something re People vocab
15:03:34 <bhyland> q?
15:04:04 <sandro> The only promise to the EC was that this would considered.
15:04:04 <PhilA2> No one disagrees with you Michael, certainly not me :-)
15:04:04 <mhausenblas> q?
15:04:20 <PhilA2> And it's why these things have not yet been published...
15:04:27 <sandro> bhyland: We just agreed to review it.
15:05:00 <mhausenblas> [[ Finally, W3C and the WG chairs made a commitment to the European Commission that we would, in some way, publish the ISA Person Core Vocabulary in w3.org space. We can't just ignore that commitment. ]]
15:05:25 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: there's no rubber-stamping on this, so it does needs everyones input to review it and agree to it, before we include it
15:05:28 <Zakim> + +61.4.286.0.aaff
15:05:30 <bhyland> Right, the commitment is to *review* it and if OK, we'll go through the normal & usual REC track process
15:06:02 <mhausenblas> Michael: I agree with the interpretation that the chairs have committed to review it, yes.
15:06:24 <bhyland> q?
15:06:38 <PhilA2> zakim, aaff is Chris Beer
15:06:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaff is Chris Beer', PhilA2
15:06:44 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton
15:06:55 <cygri> thanks all!
15:07:00 <PhilA2> zakim, aaff is Chris_Beer
15:07:00 <Zakim> +Chris_Beer; got it
15:07:02 <gatemezi> thanks!
15:07:03 <Zakim> -Yigal
15:07:05 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
15:07:06 <Zakim> -PhilA2
15:07:08 <Zakim> -tinagheen
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15:07:12 <DaveReynolds> Thanks all.
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15:07:49 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
15:08:35 <DeirdreLee> Action Dave to include all updates and distribute next version of ORG vocabulary by next Thursday's meeting (4th Oct)
15:08:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Include all updates and distribute next version of ORG vocabulary by next Thursday's meeting (4th Oct) [on Dave Reynolds - due 2012-10-04].
15:09:36 <DeirdreLee> ACTION mhausenblas and bartvanLeeuwen to review the final version of the ORG vocabulary for content and typo errors before the document is released as LC
15:09:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - And bartvanLeeuwen to review the final version of the ORG vocabulary for content and typo errors before the document is released as LC [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-10-04].
15:10:12 <bhyland> Thanks Deirdre for keeping up with today's minutes
15:11:09 <bhyland> Do you need any help publishing minutes Deirdre?
15:11:24 <bhyland> OK, I'll do it.
15:11:33 <bhyland> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
15:11:44 <bhyland> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:11:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-gld-minutes.html bhyland
15:12:04 <DeirdreLee> thanks Bernadette
15:12:08 <bhyland> np
15:13:41 <Zakim> -DeirdreLee
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