Chatlog 2012-02-09

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15:00:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
15:00:53 <trackbot> Date: 09 February 2012
15:00:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
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15:04:15 <dvilasuero> Topic: Accept minutes from last telco
15:04:21 <Zakim> -George
15:04:27 <Zakim> +bhyland
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15:07:48 <PhilA2> chair: bhyland
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15:08:31 <PhilA2> Agenda:
15:09:24 <boris> last minutes
15:09:38 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 minutes
15:09:41 <mhausenblas> +!
15:09:44 <boris> +1
15:09:49 <dvilasuero> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes from last week
15:09:49 <stasinos> +1
15:09:54 <fadmaa> +1
15:09:58 <gatemezi> +1
15:10:06 <dvilasuero> RESOLUTION: minutes accepted
15:10:15 <PhilA2> scribe: dvilasuero
15:10:49 <Zakim> +??P40
15:11:15 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim ??P40 is me
15:11:17 <dvilasuero> bhyland: there is a link to the PROV WG blog post, I propose to do the same
15:11:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P40 is me
15:11:43 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
15:11:59 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Nobody wants to volunteer?
15:12:06 <boris>
15:12:34 <dvilasuero> bhyland: I would be a good idea to show the people the work we have been doing via a blog post
15:13:04 <dvilasuero> bhyland: not meant to be detailed, just inform people about our progress in an informal way
15:13:17 <Zakim> + +
15:13:28 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk about dissemination
15:14:01 <dvilasuero> PhilA: We need to do the WD, we should speak to the communication teams and inform them about our plans of publishing the WD's
15:14:34 <boris> q?
15:15:13 <mhausenblas> ack me
15:15:13 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about dissemination
15:16:05 <PhilA2> action: bhyland to wrote to Ian Jacobs to forewarn the W3C Comm Team that the WG is planning to put out several working drafts
15:16:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Wrote to Ian Jacobs to forewarn the W3C Comm Team that the WG is planning to put out several working drafts [on bhyland Hyland - due 2012-02-16].
15:16:20 <dvilasuero> mhausenblas: We should try to get more publicity and visibility. We could do something like a google hangout: invite people to discuss and talk about the work of the WG
15:16:33 <PhilA2> action: Phil to write blog post about the publications, linking them to the ISA Programme work
15:16:33 <dvilasuero> ...: it would be a nice forum
15:16:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-49 - Write blog post about the publications, linking them to the ISA Programme work [on Phil Archer - due 2012-02-16].
15:17:14 <dvilasuero> mhausenblas: We could  find an appropriate timeframe to do it
15:17:27 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Could someone from Deri participate?
15:17:39 <DeirdreLee> yes, i can help out
15:17:56 <dvilasuero> mhausenblas: I could participate, and we need to find more people from other organizations to participate
15:18:25 <dvilasuero> bhyland: We need to have at least one person organizing it
15:18:47 <dvilasuero> mhausenblas: How could we call it?
15:18:59 <dvilasuero> bhyland: GLD WG Open Day?
15:19:49 <BenediktKaempgen> Regarding using google hangout: How many people are possible to join a hangout at the same time?
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15:20:09 <DaveReynolds> I'm not on Google+ so could not join a hangout.
15:20:17 <dvilasuero> George: Agrees with mhausenblas
15:20:31 <PhilA2> action: mhausenblas to organise a "GLD Wg Online Open Day", including preparing a wiki page with information
15:20:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-50 - Organise a "GLD Wg Online Open Day", including preparing a wiki page with information [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-02-16].
15:20:37 <dvilasuero> mhausenblas: does not have to be g+ 
15:21:11 <PhilA2> action: sandro to check internally whether it's OK to specify Google+ for an online open day or suggest alternatives
15:21:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Check internally whether it's OK to specify Google+ for an online open day or suggest alternatives [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-02-16].
15:21:42 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Some technology that everyone can use and join the discussion about GLD and Open data
15:22:08 <dvilasuero> s/George/Sandro
15:22:40 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Talk about BP document
15:22:55 <dvilasuero> ...: Any update on Procurement?
15:22:57 <boris>
15:23:43 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Any comments? Intentions to do any further update?
15:24:07 <dvilasuero> Mike_P: I will update the overview section
15:24:16 <dvilasuero> ...: by the end of the week
15:24:37 <dvilasuero> boris: we agreed to have a checklist for this section
15:24:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
15:24:49 <boris>
15:25:08 <dvilasuero> ...: Ghislain already worked and improved this section, the plan is to rephrase some bits of it
15:25:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-
15:25:38 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Are you going to be responsible to pull out the comments from the PDF to this section?
15:25:44 <dvilasuero> boris: Yes, I will
15:25:50 <PhilA2> Thanks Boris - and please don't feel under any pressure to use *any* of that text!
15:25:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> boris, what will we do with the multilanguage page ?
15:26:30 <dvilasuero>
15:27:16 <boris> dvilasuero: Talking about URI construction 
15:27:39 <PhilA2> http URIs are cool, so I hear...
15:27:48 <boris> q?
15:28:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> sorry no microphone here
15:29:35 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk on LD principles and standardisation
15:30:16 <cygri> bhyland++ for test cases
15:30:31 <mhausenblas> ack me
15:30:31 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk on LD principles and standardisation
15:30:34 <boris> q?
15:32:17 <boris> mhausenblas: agrees with bhyland, but not 100% ... more best practices experiences, experiences we can share
15:32:44 <boris> bhyland: GLD different from LD ..
15:32:58 <PhilA2> q+
15:34:26 <BenediktKaempgen> Provenance blog post:
15:34:55 <dvilasuero> bhyland: I continue to see a missunderstanding in people that speak about LOD, they have fundamental missunderstanding about what LOD is
15:35:00 <gatemezi> q?
15:35:42 <dvilasuero> bhyland: have a checklist to check wether they are doing GLD or not
15:35:43 <sandro> +1 making it very clear how many stars you get.   
15:35:44 <PhilA2> ack me
15:36:03 <rreck> +1
15:36:06 <dvilasuero> PhilA: if its possible to create a checklist, that would be excellent
15:36:08 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
15:36:25 <rreck> +1 form!
15:36:28 <dvilasuero> ...: It could be a form that you fill, something like a validator
15:36:54 <sandro> +1 form or checklist....
15:37:32 <sandro> :-)
15:38:14 <Biplav> +1 form or checklist. 
15:38:43 <dvilasuero> PhilA: my other point is: ADMS is about providing codelist to people so they can use them and link to them
15:38:45 <mhausenblas> ACTION-50?
15:38:45 <trackbot> ACTION-50 -- Michael Hausenblas to organise a "GLD Wg Online Open Day", including preparing a wiki page with information -- due 2012-02-16 -- OPEN
15:38:45 <trackbot>
15:38:51 <mhausenblas> Michael: done, see
15:38:55 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-50
15:38:55 <trackbot> ACTION-50 Organise a "GLD Wg Online Open Day", including preparing a wiki page with information closed
15:39:30 <Mike_P> +1 @ Phil on use of LOD cloud in this manner
15:39:38 <dvilasuero> ...: As government agencies is you want to be in the cloud list you should follow a series of steps
15:39:57 <dvilasuero> s/cloud/LOD cloud
15:40:08 <dvilasuero> s/is/if
15:41:28 <dvilasuero> PhilA: People can use it to find out about how to proceed by typing their needs
15:41:46 <dvilasuero> ...: e.g. I want to describe people, etc.
15:42:18 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Going back to the agenda
15:42:37 <dvilasuero> q+
15:42:43 <cygri> q+
15:42:43 <rreck> zakim, unmute me
15:42:45 <Zakim> rreck should no longer be muted
15:42:49 <boris> q?
15:43:45 <dvilasuero> rreck: Find a consistent terminology
15:43:59 <gatemezi> q?
15:44:54 <dvilasuero> rreck: The other questions is, looking at my notes, there was a comment from Sandro about stability and the relation it has to URIs section
15:45:11 <dvilasuero> rreck: I wonder how we should do it
15:45:41 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Put the stuff you have in and then we can move the different parts to where they make more sense
15:46:03 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Persistence of URIs is really important
15:46:13 <cygri> q-
15:46:22 <dvilasuero> rreck: Stability section is making good progresses
15:46:40 <mhausenblas> q?
15:46:44 <PhilA2> ack dvilasuero
15:47:04 <boris> dvilasuero: Invites all to check the URI construction section ... feedback is welcome
15:47:51 <dvilasuero> bhyland: We need to go through issues list
15:48:20 <sandro> -> PROV Model Primer
15:48:45 <dvilasuero> bhyland: It is important to our pragmatic prov section
15:49:03 <dvilasuero> bhyland: any other comments regarding pragmatic provenance?
15:49:05 <Zakim> -rreck
15:49:17 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Update on People vocabulary
15:49:21 <cygri> q+ to talk about dcat UC&R document
15:49:22 <boris> TOPIC: dcat
15:49:36 <mhausenblas> Michael: Concerning People, I'll add more details re the UC & R 
15:50:04 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask if we can today resolve to go into WG-internal review with the first batch of FPWD
15:50:18 <PhilA2> ack cygri
15:50:18 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to talk about dcat UC&R document
15:50:40 <cygri> ack me
15:50:45 <cygri>
15:51:00 <dvilasuero> cygri: I wanted to mention there has been progress on DCAT and UC&R
15:51:04 <Biplav> q+
15:51:28 <dvilasuero> cygri: It looks pretty good, I'd say is good to go, with few modifications
15:51:52 <dvilasuero> bhyland: where do UC&R come from?
15:52:14 <dvilasuero> cygri: Work by Fadi and myself within Egov IG
15:52:20 <mhausenblas> q?
15:52:47 <dvilasuero> bhyland: DCAT and UC&R look good
15:53:04 <mhausenblas> ack me
15:53:04 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask if we can today resolve to go into WG-internal review with the first batch of FPWD
15:53:06 <mhausenblas>
15:53:09 <Zakim> +rreck
15:53:49 <dvilasuero> mhausenblas: I was wondering if we are going today into WG-internal review?
15:54:00 <boris> q?
15:54:02 <boris> q+
15:54:13 <dvilasuero> bhyland: I am afraid we are not ready, not much progress on the wiki since F2F2
15:54:32 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Monday could be a good deadline
15:54:51 <dvilasuero> mhausenblas: next thursday we will start internal review, right?
15:54:57 <dvilasuero> bhyland: Yes
15:55:00 <PhilA2> So internal review is due to start after next week's call
15:55:28 <dvilasuero> bhyland: We need to get a sense about what the state is regarding wiki progress
15:55:29 <PhilA2> ack Biplav
15:55:56 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk to source data
15:56:13 <dvilasuero> Biplav: Give an update about Source data. I am looking at specific source data within a certain domain
15:56:43 <mhausenblas> Michael: So, I'd be interested in the outcome of this as well -  all I have in the People deliverable is
15:56:46 <mhausenblas> q?
15:57:24 <dvilasuero> Biplav: There are a couple of colleagues that could help and contribute to the section
15:57:34 <dvilasuero> ...: I am checking with them
15:57:40 <Zakim> -boris
15:57:50 <mhausenblas> q?
15:57:54 <gatemezi> q?
15:57:58 <PhilA2> ack mhausenblas
15:57:58 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk to source data
15:58:12 <mhausenblas> ack me
15:58:20 <boris> q-
15:58:58 <PhilA2> bhyland:We have a lot of action items, some of which are rather old. Can people with action items please... take action!
15:59:20 <PhilA2> ... some are so old now that it's not clear what they relate to
15:59:28 <PhilA2> scribe: PhilA2
15:59:53 <PhilA2> bhyland: I've set up the issue tracker to record directory issues
16:00:11 <BartvanLeeuwen> talked to martin hepp
16:00:55 <gatemezi> q?
16:01:04 <sandro>
16:01:13 <PhilA2> bhyland: kudos if you complete your actions
16:01:37 <PhilA2> I actually completed both my actions this week :-)
16:02:06 <PhilA2> bhyland: TPAC is in Lyon in November - can we have a f2f there?
16:02:46 <PhilA2> Upcoming workshop -<
16:03:17 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk about EDF2012
16:03:31 <mhausenblas> ack me
16:03:33 <mhausenblas>
16:04:42 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about EDF2012
16:04:54 <mhausenblas> acl me
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16:04:55 <mhausenblas> ack me
16:04:55 <BartvanLeeuwen> okay thx bye
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16:05:12 <gatemezi> thanks!! 
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16:06:55 <PhilA2> rrsagent, make logs public
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16:07:02 <PhilA2> rrsagent, dtaft minutes
16:07:02 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'dtaft minutes', PhilA2.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:07:12 <PhilA2> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:07:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate PhilA2
16:08:25 <dvilasuero> * thanks a lot phil and sorry about that