Chatlog 2012-01-05

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14:19:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
14:19:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 41 minutes
14:19:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:19:57 <trackbot> Date: 05 January 2012
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14:30:33 <Mike_Pendleton> scribe:MikeP
14:33:56 <Mike_Pendleton> #GLDWG
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14:35:41 <Mike_Pendleton> Chair: Bernadette Hyland
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14:45:12 <Mike_Pendleton> correction - Chair: George Thomas
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14:51:57 <Mike_Pendleton> Chair: George Thomas
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14:53:11 <HadleyBeeman> Hi all.  Happy new year!
14:53:30 <Mike_Pendleton> ScribeNick:Mike_P
14:53:39 <olyerickson> @All:  Happy New Year
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14:53:46 <fadmaa> Hi. happy new year!
14:53:50 <HadleyBeeman> :)
14:55:03 <Mike_Pendleton> chair: gthomas
14:55:22 <Zakim> +George_Thomas
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14:56:02 <rreck> zakim, +1.218.296.aacc is me
14:56:02 <Zakim> +rreck; got it
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14:56:08 <rreck> zakim, mute me
14:56:08 <Zakim> rreck should now be muted
14:56:42 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353914 is fadi
14:56:42 <Zakim> +fadi; got it
14:56:50 <George>
14:57:04 <BartvanLeeuwen> BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld
14:57:10 <BartvanLeeuwen> hi all
14:57:12 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353914 is fadmaa
14:57:12 <Zakim> sorry, fadmaa, I do not recognize a party named '+353914'
14:57:20 <Zakim> + +1.440.389.aadd
14:57:22 <fadmaa> Zakim, fadi is fadmaa
14:57:22 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
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14:57:26 <bhyland> hi all.  George will be chairing today.  I'm on IRC only.
14:57:34 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, aadd is me
14:57:34 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it
14:57:57 <rreck> that is the one i forget to do
14:58:18 <Zakim> +??P12
14:58:21 <rreck> you want to be sure
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14:58:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P12 is me
14:58:30 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
14:58:38 <rreck> hi anne
14:58:46 <Zakim> + +1.757.604.aaee
14:58:47 <George> Meeting <GLD>
14:58:53 <annew> yo Mr stability!
14:59:01 <rreck> anything but
14:59:07 <Zakim> +??P17
14:59:24 <George> Agenda: <>
14:59:25 <olyerickson> Zakim, P17 is me.
14:59:26 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'
14:59:27 <GeraldSteeman> Zakim, I'm aaee
14:59:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I'm aaee', GeraldSteeman
14:59:40 <olyerickson> Zakim, ?p17 is me.
14:59:40 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '?p17'
14:59:47 <GeraldSteeman> Zakim, aaee is me.
14:59:48 <Zakim> +GeraldSteeman; got it
15:00:05 <rreck> zakim needs to support more than one way to do things
15:00:08 <annew> correct meeting agenda URL is
15:00:09 <olyerickson> zakim, ??p17 is me. 
15:00:09 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
15:00:10 <Zakim> +sandro
15:00:21 <Zakim> +raphael
15:00:27 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
15:00:27 <RRSAgent> See
15:00:31 <Zakim> + +49.721.aaff
15:00:32 <sandro> Zakim, who is on the call?
15:00:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.566.aaaa, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, GeraldSteeman, olyerickson, sandro, raphael, +49.721.aaff
15:00:33 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone
15:00:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', olyerickson
15:00:50 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone? 
15:00:54 <Zakim> + +1.267.481.aagg
15:01:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.566.aaaa, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, GeraldSteeman, olyerickson, sandro, raphael (muted), +49.721.aaff,
15:01:05 <Zakim> ... +1.267.481.aagg (muted)
15:01:10 <raphael> Present+ raphael
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15:01:17 <raphael> Regrets+ Ghislain
15:01:46 <sandro> Zakim, who is talking?
15:01:47 <Mike_Pendleton> George Thomas to chair today
15:01:52 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, aaff is BenediktKaempgen
15:02:01 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is George 
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15:02:21 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it
15:02:27 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 12 (60%), +1.202.566.aaaa (47%)
15:02:35 <Zakim> +George; got it
15:03:03 <BenediktKaempgen> hearing it also
15:03:04 <rreck> yes i hear it too
15:03:08 <fadmaa> I hear a noise as well
15:03:09 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:03:09 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.
15:03:10 <BartvanLeeuwen> sandro, +1 for sound
15:03:10 <rreck> it is noise cancelation
15:03:27 <olyerickson> Hi
15:03:29 <tgheen> Zakim, [LC] is me
15:03:31 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted
15:03:42 <olyerickson> I don't think it's me
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15:03:53 <Zakim> +tgheen; got it
15:03:57 <rreck> i am familiar but the solution is non-trivial
15:04:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, mute me
15:04:07 <rreck> i am double muted also
15:04:15 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen should now be muted
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15:04:44 <DruidSmith> Zakim, aahh is me
15:04:53 <Zakim> +DruidSmith; got it
15:04:54 <sandro> zakim, George is MikePendleton
15:04:55 <Zakim> +MikePendleton; got it
15:05:06 <Zakim> + +1.443.569.aaii
15:05:21 <Mike_Pendleton> Proposal to accept minutes?
15:05:26 <Mike_Pendleton> Comments?
15:05:30 <Mike_Pendleton> Accepted
15:05:30 <raphael> +1
15:05:34 <ZacharyWhitley> zakim, who's here?
15:05:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted),
15:05:38 <olyerickson> +1 
15:05:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
15:05:38 <Zakim> ... BenediktKaempgen (muted), +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii
15:05:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see DruidSmith, tgheen, BermudezLuis, annew, GeraldSteeman, BartvanLeeuwen, George, ZacharyWhitley, rreck, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, bhyland, MacTed, raphael,
15:05:46 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, danbri, trackbot, sandro
15:05:50 <Mike_Pendleton> TOPIC: Minutes Accepted
15:06:24 <olyerickson> No updates from me...
15:06:40 <rreck> I am improved the stability section but it is not complete
15:06:45 <rreck> s/am/have
15:07:18 <rreck> new AND improved
15:07:36 <George> TOPIC: Procurement
15:08:06 <annew> there's nothing to improve upon
15:08:18 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who's here?
15:08:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted),
15:08:23 <Zakim> ... BenediktKaempgen (muted), +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii
15:08:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see tgheen, BermudezLuis, annew, GeraldSteeman, BartvanLeeuwen, George, ZacharyWhitley, rreck, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, bhyland, MacTed, raphael, Zakim,
15:08:30 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, danbri, trackbot, sandro
15:08:51 <George> Mike_Pendleton: procurement - overview of LD, evolution of data mgmt practices, community dir
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15:09:48 <George> ... segments - Activities (5 areas); Services; Products - describe characteristics of S&P per activity
15:10:12 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is speaking?
15:10:23 <Zakim> HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MikePendleton (84%), George_Thomas (21%)
15:10:35 <raphael> I'm not sure when this is time to discuss this, but the Linked Enterprise Data patterns workshop report has been released, and that there is an explicit mention of potential overalp with this group and its deliverables
15:10:51 <HadleyBeeman> MikePendleton, This sounds thorough and useful! I'll be keen to see it.
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15:11:32 <HadleyBeeman> q+
15:12:24 <George> Sandro: save as htm from doc, then use tidy, tool chain to facilitate getting good results for wiki review by GLD members
15:12:37 <George> ... may be easier to recreate by hand
15:13:10 <DruidSmith_> My internet connection appears to be hosed as well
15:13:15 <George> q?
15:13:48 <George> ack HadleyBeeman
15:14:50 <HadleyBeeman> ack me
#15:15:14 <Mike> Mike has joined #gld
#15:15:23 <Mike> test
#15:15:28 <sandro> ack Mike
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15:16:36 <olyerickson> Workshop Homepage here:
15:16:49 <Zakim> +??P44
15:17:17 <annew> Zakim, ??p44 is me
15:17:17 <Zakim> +annew; got it
15:17:24 <olyerickson> Report page here:
15:17:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:17:40 <Mikep> Comments from Raphael on LD Enterprise Workshop - recommended LD Platform Workgroup; concern about overlap with GLD; recommend liason to deal to with that
15:18:06 <raphael> The report says: "In doing so it will be important to analyze any possible overlaps with the new Government Linked Data Working Group and suggest mitigating measures if appropriate."
15:18:14 <George>
15:18:17 <mikep> Sandro: Areas of overlap unclear; focus not on publishing for others to consume; but on applications exposing their data
15:18:22 <George> a 'basic profile' for linked data
15:19:40 <mikep> Sandro: suggest joint tast force to address major overlaps
15:20:22 <George> q?
15:21:27 <mikep> George: We will work to determine how best to work with the procurement piece from a technology perspective
15:21:46 <olyerickson> unmute
15:21:52 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute
15:21:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', olyerickson
15:21:58 <olyerickson> help
15:22:05 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.
15:22:05 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted
15:24:39 <mikep> Having tech issues hearing
15:25:18 <fadmaa> the current version of dcat is at:
15:26:08 <olyerickson> Not yet
15:26:37 <olyerickson> One of my actions is to do some eiki work on that
15:26:47 <George> Fadi: Person, Org work ongoing wrt
15:27:38 <olyerickson> zakim, please mute me.
15:27:38 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted
15:28:42 <rreck> anne you can go
15:28:44 <rreck> yep
15:28:49 <rreck> zakim, unmute me
15:28:49 <Zakim> rreck should no longer be muted
15:29:15 <George> Topic: Stability
15:29:36 <George> annew: collaborating with rreck with some brainstorming
15:29:42 <annew>
15:30:00 <George> rreck: revamped input into secondary page from above
15:30:48 <mikep> Ron and Ann on Stability BPs - brainstorming and will take next steps next week; framing for indicators of stability for a project
15:30:58 <annew>
15:31:02 <George> annew: write up key indicators of stability - interested in GLD member comments from their experiences
15:31:06 <rreck> zakim, mute me
15:31:06 <Zakim> rreck should now be muted
15:31:07 <George> ... in the F2F2
15:31:15 <rreck> when is the f2f again?
15:31:18 <rreck> link please
15:31:35 <mikep> Topic: schedule and milestone review
15:31:45 <annew> Yes looking for comments during F2F on whether these ideas of stability will work with other best practices
15:32:05 <mikep> Sandro: lets focus on being productive for F2F
15:32:23 <mikep> Topic: F2F
15:32:30 <sandro>
15:32:48 <mikep> Request for general questions
15:33:20 <rreck> it is two days?
15:33:23 <sandro> yes
15:33:52 <rreck> brutal
15:33:59 <mikep> Discuss co-location issue
15:34:03 <sandro> "brutal"?
15:34:18 <rreck> commuting in DC is brutal at least for me
15:34:36 <mikep> Dan has confirmed 7 a.m. EST start time
15:34:50 <sandro> rreck, then by all means do what the charter/consensus/group decision says and commute to Ireland!  :-)
15:35:00 <rreck> great point
15:35:24 <mikep> How might break-out groups work give co-location?
15:37:56 <annew> The door to BLS is exactly across the street from the Union Station metro stop... for those who have brutal
15:38:16 <mikep> Sandro on breakouts - US people could end at 3 formally, but stay around longer
15:39:17 <mikep> George: Suggest a dry run on the call before the meeting to see if it works logistically
15:39:24 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 to peple listed
15:40:04 <annew> i thought leading a discussion more than a presentation
15:40:13 <olyerickson>  Suggestion: put the names *in* the agenda section
15:40:34 <mikep> George: Request each person describe what they will be presenting/discussing (time reqd, issues/questions raised) on the wiki page
15:40:58 <mikep> Sandro: Want to get the presentation/discussion to lead us to consensus
15:41:08 <annew> consensus design = what are the questions? and know enough to make a decision.. ?
15:41:33 <George> q?
15:42:51 <mikep> George: Questions about topics you will be leading/presenting?
15:42:52 <olyerickson> No questions (at this time...)
15:43:15 <Zakim> -annew
15:44:17 <mikep> George: Two more calls before the F2F: next week review updates; next week we could do a dry run
15:44:38 <mikep> George: Other input for F2F planning today?  
15:44:44 <mikep> None
15:45:24 <mikep> George: Let's open this up
15:45:30 <annew> oh bother with the  audio...still on chat...
15:45:41 <fadmaa> @bhyland yes I am from DERI
15:45:46 <sandro> annew, can you rejoin?      
15:45:49 <rreck> i am
15:45:55 <rreck> zakim, unmute me
15:45:55 <Zakim> rreck should no longer be muted
15:45:56 <rreck> sure
15:45:58 <rreck> one sec
15:46:00 <mikep> Sandro: Want to here more about Ron and Anne's work
15:46:32 <George>
15:47:34 <George> rreck: cost benefit considerations
15:50:58 <mikep> Ron: Overaching concept is that data has value, value reduced by costs in consuming it - looking at attributes that affect cost in using the data; trying to break down costs and show what helps reduce costs.  Push modification of legacy data upstrean so that it did not have ot recure.  ex: Turtle uses least disk space, easy for people to read vs. machine readabilty of other serializations:
15:51:23 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
15:51:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck, HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted),
15:51:26 <Zakim> ... BenediktKaempgen, +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii, [IPcaller]
15:51:36 <rreck> zakim, mute me
15:51:36 <Zakim> rreck should now be muted
15:51:55 <mikep> George: Did anyone get a chance to look a provenance?
15:51:58 <George> q?
15:52:08 <olyerickson> RE Provenance new releases: Link? 
15:53:01 <HadleyBeeman> I had a quick review of them and found them interesting for us in LinkedGov… but not with the GLD in mind.  (Sorry)
15:53:43 <olyerickson> Links to recent PROV-WG drafts (from their recent minutes)
15:54:43 <mikep> George and Sandro to look into AV tech for the F2F 
15:54:59 <rreck> zakim, unmute me
15:54:59 <Zakim> rreck should no longer be muted
15:55:10 <raphael> The PROV Model Primer is the most interesting document for a first approach
15:55:13 <raphael> ... see
15:55:27 <mikep> George: Other considerations?
15:55:49 <HadleyBeeman> q+
15:56:05 <George> ack HadleyBeeman 
15:56:21 <annew> anne's gotta go. good summary ron on stability!
15:56:26 <annew> bye
15:56:38 <George> HadleyBeeman: agenda section to address liason/overlap activity checklist suggested
15:56:47 <mikep> Hadley: Might help to consider at each meeting to go over overlap from other groups (ex: provenance, e-gov)
15:57:00 <Zakim> -DruidSmith
15:57:14 <olyerickson> Thanks as always, George! 
15:57:25 <Zakim> - +1.443.569.aaii
15:57:27 <Zakim> -GeraldSteeman
15:57:28 <BenediktKaempgen> Thanks
15:57:30 <olyerickson> Here's to productivity...
15:57:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> bye
15:57:31 <Zakim> -tgheen
15:57:32 <raphael> thanks, bye
15:57:33 <Zakim> -sandro
15:57:37 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
15:57:38 <Zakim> -fadmaa
15:57:43 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
15:57:47 <Zakim> -raphael
15:57:49 <Zakim> -olyerickson
15:57:51 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:57:53 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen
15:57:55 <Zakim> - +1.267.481.aagg
15:57:58 <rreck> zakim, unmute me
15:57:58 <Zakim> rreck was not muted, rreck
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#15:58:32 <George> Scribe: <mikep>
15:58:37 <George> Scribe: Mike
15:58:48 <rreck> i dont think you need them
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15:59:28 <mikep> scribe: Mikep
16:00:33 <George> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
16:00:47 <George> RRSAgent, generate minutes
16:00:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate George