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14:00:22 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #gld 14:00:22 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-gld-irc 14:00:35 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone 14:00:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', olyerickson 14:01:04 <sandro> zakim, this will be gld 14:01:04 <Zakim> ok, sandro, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 14:01:05 <Zakim> +??P13 14:01:08 <bhyland> tracbot, start telecon 14:01:16 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p13 is BartvanLeeuwen 14:01:18 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 14:01:28 <gt> trackbot, start telecon 14:01:29 <gatemezi> hi, all!! 14:01:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 14:01:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV_GLD 14:01:33 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 14:01:33 <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2011 14:01:34 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 14:01:34 <olyerickson> zakim, qw3birc@128.30.52.28 is olyerickson 14:01:38 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named 'qw3birc@128.30.52.28' 14:01:42 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public 14:01:55 <gt> zakim, who is here"? 14:01:57 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, gt. 14:02:01 <gt> zakim, who is here? 14:02:05 <Zakim> I notice T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has restarted 14:02:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.690.aaaa, ??P1, +1.703.607.aabb, +1.267.481.aacc, Sandro, Cory, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.202.208.aadd 14:02:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, luisbermudez, Zakim, gatemezi, mhausenblas, csarven, MartinKaltenboeck, MacTed, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, gt, danbri_, bhyland, trackbot, sandro 14:02:17 <Zakim> Regrets: Rick Murphy, Tina Gheen, Boris Villazón-Terrazas, Martin Alvarez, Elena Montiel-Ponsoda, Richard Cyganiak (travelling), Yigal Arens, Hadley Beeman, Christophe Gueret (will join late) 14:02:31 <Zakim> -??P1 14:03:09 <gt> zakim, aaaa is gt 14:03:09 <Zakim> +gt; got it 14:03:25 <Zakim> +??P22 14:03:32 <bhyland> zakim davidwood is me 14:03:42 <Cory-c> Cory-c has joined #gld 14:03:48 <olyerickson> zakim, +??P22 is olyerickson 14:03:48 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22' 14:04:10 <olyerickson> zakim, ??P22 is olyerickson 14:04:10 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it 14:04:18 <Zakim> +??P29 14:04:27 <olyerickson> zakim, who's here 14:04:27 <Zakim> olyerickson, you need to end that query with '?' 14:04:39 <olyerickson> zakim, who's here? 14:04:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see gt, +1.703.607.aabb, +1.267.481.aacc, davidwood, Sandro, Cory, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.202.208.aadd, olyerickson, ??P29 14:04:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cory-c, RRSAgent, luisbermudez, Zakim, gatemezi, mhausenblas, csarven, MartinKaltenboeck, MacTed, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, gt, danbri_, bhyland, trackbot, sandro 14:05:05 <Zakim> +??P27 14:05:07 <Zakim> +mhausenblas 14:05:14 <mhausenblas> Zakim, csarven is with me 14:05:14 <Zakim> +csarven; got it 14:05:24 <bhyland> scribe: bhyland 14:05:44 <bkaempgen> bkaempgen has joined #gld 14:05:46 <bhyland> chair: gt 14:05:55 <bkaempgen> zakim, who's there? 14:05:57 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bkaempgen. 14:06:08 <bhyland> zakim, who is here? 14:06:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see gt, +1.703.607.aabb, +1.267.481.aacc, davidwood, Sandro, Cory, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.202.208.aadd, olyerickson, ??P29, ??P27, mhausenblas 14:06:11 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, csarven 14:06:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see bkaempgen, Cory-c, RRSAgent, luisbermudez, Zakim, gatemezi, mhausenblas, csarven, MartinKaltenboeck, MacTed, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, gt, danbri_, bhyland, 14:06:15 <Zakim> ... trackbot, sandro 14:06:38 <MartinKaltenboeck> Calling via skype - do not know my out calluing number? 14:06:59 <bkaempgen> bkaempgen is connected through skype 14:07:23 <danbri> danbri has joined #gld 14:07:30 <sandro> MartinKaltenboeck, bkaempgen I don't think skype transmits caller-id anyway. 14:07:30 <bkaempgen> sometimes it takes time so that changes get through in SMW 14:07:33 <bkaempgen> q+ 14:08:48 <bhyland> bkaempgen: re: semantic mediawiki annotations, there may be a lag with annotations being reflected. 14:08:52 <mhausenblas> ack bkaempgen 14:09:00 <MartinKaltenboeck> ok, thanks sandro! 14:09:17 <gt> q? 14:09:49 <gt> proposal to accept 8-18 minutes - 14:10:05 <bhyland> +1 14:10:06 <mhausenblas> s/proposal/PROPOSAL: 14:10:09 <mhausenblas> +1 14:10:20 <gatemezi> +1 14:10:27 <gt> +1 14:10:28 <bhyland> minutes accepted for 18-Aug-2011 14:10:35 <olyerickson> +1 14:10:35 <MartinKaltenboeck> +1 14:10:38 <luisbermudez> +1 14:10:45 <bkaempgen> You may need to edit/refresh Mainpage to have annotations being updated in the table. 14:11:09 <olyerickson> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.01 14:11:12 <bhyland> +1 14:11:17 <mhausenblas> +1 14:11:36 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 14:11:48 <bhyland> proposal to accept http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.01 14:11:53 <gatemezi> +1 14:11:53 <sandro> zakim, who is talking? 14:11:57 <Zakim> +??P35 14:12:04 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (13%), olyerickson (96%), ??P29 (15%) 14:12:10 <mhausenblas> zakim, mute olyerickson 14:12:10 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted 14:12:13 <bhyland> minutes accepted 14:12:25 <bkaempgen> baempgen should be muted 14:12:29 <bhyland> yes 14:12:31 <danbri> danbri has joined #gld 14:12:35 <Cory-c> Perhaps some time today one of the w3c staff could speak a bit about the W3C Workshop on Data and Services Integration http://www.w3.org/2011/10/integration-workshop/cfp.html 14:12:40 <simonWall> simonWall has joined #gld 14:13:24 <gt> q? 14:13:45 <mhausenblas> zakim, unmute olyerickson 14:13:45 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted 14:13:48 <olyerickson> the system is muting me arrgh] 14:14:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q 14:14:31 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ 14:15:12 <bhyland> Topic: ISWC 14:15:16 <bhyland> no comments. 14:15:19 <Zakim> + +1.240.228.aaee 14:15:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> q- 14:16:11 <Cory-c> q+ 14:16:14 <ZacharyWhitley> ZacharyWhitley has joined #gld 14:16:52 <bhyland> BartvanLeeuwen: Would like to present at Amsterdam data initiative (breakfast meeting), on Linked Data. 14:17:22 <bhyland> Advice is simply to state you're a member of this group and present your experiences as a member of the GLD WG. 14:18:21 <olyerickson> zakim, who is speaking 14:18:22 <bhyland> Cory-c: Discussed vocab + NIEM. Active effort to produce that standard. Anyone have NIEM related info in sem web form? 14:18:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', olyerickson 14:18:28 <Cory-c> q- 14:18:30 <bhyland> q+ 14:18:43 <ZacharyWhitley> +q 14:19:11 <bhyland> Topic: NIEM and Linked Data 14:19:21 <bhyland> Recent training event in Philly, PA, see http://www.iir.com/registration/niemtraining/ 14:19:34 <gt> cory-c: NIEM is a US Gov sponsored XSD centric effort, somewhat like OASIS UBL - see niem.gov 14:19:52 <bhyland> Focused on first responders and other domains, used extensively by US Government, specifically Homeland Security. More info on niem.org 14:20:30 <ChrisMusialek> ChrisMusialek has joined #gld 14:20:31 <olyerickson> For more info on NIEM: http://www.niem.gov/ 14:20:43 <bhyland> Over 500 people from federal, state & local gov't attended recent. A lot of energy around it. Technology is primarily focused on XML & XML schema. Controlled vocab approach for common elements, e..g, person, location, etc. 14:22:05 <bhyland> Cory-c: NIEM PMO wanted NIEM to be more international standards aware. They sponsored effort to create UML model, then map to JSON, RDF, others. Standards effort is to create NIEM community & support international standards. 14:22:08 <gt> cory-c: information sharing environment - see http://www.ise.gov/ - and the OMG - see http://gov.omg.org/ - are creating a UML profile for NIEM 14:22:24 <bhyland> December 2011 deadline for RFP. 14:22:38 <gt> q? 14:22:45 <gt> ack bhyland 14:23:25 <Zakim> +??P2 14:23:41 <gt> action: george to follow up with bhyland, ChrisMusialek and cory-c regarding NIEM interaction with US Data.gov PMO 14:23:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Follow up with bhyland, ChrisMusialek and cory-c regarding NIEM interaction with US Data.gov PMO [on George Thomas - due 2011-09-15]. 14:23:41 <bhyland> Cory-c asked anyone interested in helping speak to him. 14:23:49 <gt> q? 14:24:18 <bhyland> Zach: Ralph Hodgson from TopQuadrant is porting NIEM to OWL. 14:24:33 <ZacharyWhitley> -q 14:25:19 <bhyland> Mentioned: TopQuadrant is doing work with Dutch Dept of Justice (Immigration) ... 14:25:37 <Zakim> -??P27 14:26:00 <cgueret> cgueret has joined #gld 14:26:18 <gt> q? 14:26:20 <Zakim> +??P10 14:26:48 <cgueret> Zakim, cgueret is Christophe Gueret 14:26:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'cgueret is Christophe Gueret', cgueret 14:26:54 <cgueret> yep 14:26:55 <bhyland> Announcement: Open Government Data Camp 2011, call for participation is out, see http://ogdcamp.org/cfp/ 14:26:58 <bkaempgen> bkaempgen has rejoined 14:27:43 <MartinKaltenboeck> Registration is open too: http://ogdcamp.org/register/ 14:29:10 <bhyland> Topic: Open Government Data Camp 2011 14:29:32 <gt> q? 14:29:38 <bhyland> MartinKaltenboeck: Call for lightening talks (10 min) on best practices, linked data cookbook, etc. 14:29:43 <bhyland> coming out next week. 14:29:49 <bhyland> please participate. 14:31:22 <bhyland> Topic: Next F2F in DERI, Galway Ireland to be held Wed & Thur 25-26 January 2012. 14:31:29 <bhyland> We close the poll officially now. 14:31:46 <bhyland> We had 21 participants indicate their preference. 14:32:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 14:32:28 <gatemezi> +1 14:32:30 <bkaempgen> +1 14:32:31 <cgueret> +1 14:32:47 <bhyland> Mhausenblas: First round on him on Friday, after F2F. 14:32:54 <MartinKaltenboeck> +1 14:33:01 <cgueret> +1 :) 14:33:09 <mhausenblas> s/ First round/ First round of free RDF triples 14:33:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 14:34:32 <bhyland> Resolved: WG confirms second F2F at DERI Galway, 25-26 Jan 2012 14:34:48 <gatemezi> noo..maybe in July it will be at Eurecom, :-) 14:34:59 <gt> topic: deliverables 14:35:10 <BartvanLeeuwen> :) 14:35:22 <gatemezi> it is the same. :-) 14:37:10 <gt> q? 14:37:25 <gatemezi> actually, concerning ComDir, I don't know what next 14:37:32 <gatemezi> after the requirements proposed 14:37:49 <bhyland> Topic: Community Directory. No progress in last week. 14:37:56 <sandro> (sound breaking up a lot) 14:38:23 <bhyland> Action: Bhyland to send out email to ask people to fill in company info & start trying to use deployment form to see how usability & data shapes up. 14:38:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Send out email to ask people to fill in company info & start trying to use deployment form to see how usability & data shapes up. [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2011-09-15]. 14:38:32 <MartinKaltenboeck> bhyland: can you please provide link to the Community Directory prototype? 14:38:35 <bhyland> Topic: Standard Vocabs. 14:39:01 <gt> http://directory.3roundstones.net/ 14:39:17 <MartinKaltenboeck> many thanks gt! 14:39:22 <bhyland> olyerickson: Plans to list some use cases they are considering to foster discussion. Would like guidance on how to best foster discussion. 14:39:56 <bhyland> Community Directory prototype may be found at http://directory.3roundstones.net/ 14:40:26 <gt> has this GLD been republished or not... 14:40:52 <gt> who/what/where is the *authoritative/original* publication... 14:41:02 <bhyland> olyerickson: The issue he would like to discuss/iterate has to do with provenance of government or agent produced data. What country is this from, what does data represent? 14:42:03 <bkaempgen> +q 14:42:18 <bhyland> See John Erickson's email: 14:42:18 <bhyland> John Erickson <olyerickson@gmail.com> 14:42:18 <bhyland> Subject: Re: Catralog vocab question: Indicating whether "government" dataset has "official" status 14:42:18 <bhyland> Date: September 6, 2011 7:59:42 PM EDT 14:42:18 <bhyland> To: Martin Alvarez-Espinar <mlvarez@w3.org> 14:42:19 <bhyland> Cc: W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org> 14:42:54 <Cory-c> #bhyland, does or can the directory list data sources? 14:42:55 <gt> q? 14:43:39 <Zakim> - +1.703.607.aabb 14:43:48 <bhyland> olyerickson: Agreed to continue discussion on list and provide some further specifics on use cases. 14:44:12 <mhausenblas> ack bkaempgen 14:44:17 <bhyland> bkaempgen: Asked if this has to do with provenance or specifically a place that specifies where a given dataset is coming from? 14:45:38 <bhyland> olyerickson: More specific than provenance. We are looking to specify what a catalog represents. For example, if a gov't data set has been "officially sanctioned" by a gov't agency. Consumers should be able to identify whether this came from a specific agency or department … We need a status indicator. 14:46:23 <bhyland> Details on olyerickson's question are in: 14:46:23 <bhyland> John Erickson <olyerickson@gmail.com> 14:46:23 <bhyland> Subject: Catralog vocab question: Indicating whether "government" dataset has "official" status 14:46:23 <bhyland> Date: September 6, 2011 3:27:54 PM EDT 14:46:23 <bhyland> To: W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org> 14:46:35 <gt> q? 14:47:31 <bkaempgen> +q 14:48:03 <bhyland> @cory-c - RE: Community Directory - are you asking if you can get at the underlying triples? If so, yes, absolutely. I can discuss offline if you wish. Callimachus is about creating & publishing RDF. 14:48:14 <bhyland> Topic: Cube Vocab 14:48:49 <bhyland> See: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Statistical_Cube_Data. There were no minutes captured from the break out call. 14:49:04 <bkaempgen> I will have a look at it 14:49:10 <bhyland> Bkaempgen: Asked if the protocol is to capture the chat from breakout groups? 14:49:57 <bhyland> gt: Asked if WG can use W3C telecon infrastructure for calls & capturing what was discussed. 14:50:10 <bhyland> Sandro: Yes, absolutely. He will get it to us. 14:50:10 <sandro> -> http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/TeleconferenceHowTo.htm Setting up a Teleconference 14:50:51 <gt> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Statistical_Cube_Data 14:51:04 <bkaempgen> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.22 14:51:38 <gt> http://wiki.planet-data.eu/web/Datasets 14:52:20 <gt> action: to refactor some HHS CQLD GLD using QB 14:52:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Refactor some HHS CQLD GLD using QB [on Tope Omitola - due 2011-09-15]. 14:52:31 <gt> q? 14:52:44 <gt> ack bkaempgen 14:53:31 <bhyland> Topic: US Gov't subdomains. 14:53:49 <bhyland> gt: Wanted to put a plug in for data.gov.uk sector approach... 14:54:17 <gt> not data.health.gov - rather health.data.gov - {sector}.data.gov - environ.data.gov? 14:55:16 <bhyland> chrismusialek: said that people think of data of data vis a vis the sector first. 14:56:42 <olyerickson> so... what can't there be BOTH? 14:57:32 <bhyland> bhyland: recap from last week discussed opendata.epa.gov as subdomain. Consensus was data.epa.gov or more generically data.{agency}.gov 14:57:33 <olyerickson> data.energy.gov and energy.data.gov could resolve to the same place... (blasphemy I know) 14:57:52 <olyerickson> ...but there should be one canonical URI 14:58:07 <bhyland> ChrisMusialek: People think about things topically, not organizationally. 14:59:19 <olyerickson> Need to differentiate between URI form vs. various URLs that will "get there..." 14:59:31 <bhyland> +1 14:59:43 <bkaempgen> What does "to refactor some HHS CQLD GLD using QB" mean? 14:59:44 <gt> action: ChrisMusialek to get the data.agency.gov and {sector}.data.gov discussion into the Data.gov PMO SW/LD meeting 14:59:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ChrisMusialek 15:00:29 <ZacharyWhitley> Clinical Quality Linked Data (CQLD) 15:01:00 <bkaempgen> ah, thanks. 15:01:01 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'll have to send regrets in advance for next week, sorry 15:01:20 <ZacharyWhitley> Health and Human Services (HHS) 15:01:34 <bkaempgen> * can't, may be travelling, also 15:02:03 <cgueret> bye 15:02:06 <bhyland> thanks all. bye. 15:02:10 <simonWall> bye 15:02:11 <MartinKaltenboeck> thank you & bye! 15:02:11 <gt> thanks all - bye 15:02:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> bye 15:02:21 <gatemezi> thanks - bye!! 15:02:40 <Zakim> -mhausenblas 15:02:41 <olyerickson> olyerickson has left #gld 15:02:42 <Zakim> - +1.202.208.aadd 15:02:44 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen 15:02:51 <bhyland> RRSAgent, make logs public 15:02:54 <Zakim> - +1.240.228.aaee 15:02:58 <Zakim> -Cory 15:03:04 <Zakim> -simonWall 15:03:06 <Zakim> - +1.267.481.aacc 15:03:08 <Zakim> -Sandro 15:03:10 <gt> thanks for scribing and generating minutes bhyland :) 15:03:12 <Zakim> -davidwood 15:03:18 <gatemezi> @luisbermudez: please I send you a mail for help.. 15:03:28 <gatemezi> hope you have seen it!! TIA 15:03:30 <Zakim> -gt 15:03:36 <Zakim> -??P10 15:03:40 <Zakim> -??P29 15:03:57 <bhyland> zakim, davidwood is me 15:04:54 <Zakim> sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named 'davidwood' 15:06:16 <bhyland> rrsagent, generate minutes 15:06:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-gld-minutes.html bhyland # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000268