Chatlog 2011-09-01

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13:56:42 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #gld
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13:57:54 <bhyland> zakim what conferences do you see?
13:58:23 <bhyland> zakim list
13:58:26 <BenediktKaempgen> BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld
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13:59:55 <BartvanLeeuwen> hi all
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14:00:57 <olyerickson> zakim, who is speaking?
14:00:57 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I don't know what conference this is
14:01:23 <cygri_> cygri_ has joined #gld
14:01:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> nope, no SIP connection to IRC
14:01:46 <mhausenblas> Zakim, this will be GLD
14:01:46 <rreck> rreck has joined #gld
14:01:53 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
14:02:05 <bhyland> Thanks Michael
14:02:19 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
14:02:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> ah there it is
14:02:25 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
14:02:29 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
14:02:38 <olyerickson> Zakim, who is speaking? 
14:02:48 <Zakim> -??P27
14:02:51 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman has joined #gld
14:02:53 <Zakim> olyerickson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P24 (11%), mhausenblas (70%)
14:03:12 <Zakim> +??P27
14:03:21 <Zakim> +??P58
14:03:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P27 is BartvanLeeuwen 
14:03:28 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
14:03:32 <Zakim> + +1.218.296.aadd
14:03:36 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??p58 is me
14:03:36 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez; got it
14:03:52 <Zakim> +hadleybeeman
14:04:01 <rreck> zakim,  +1.218.296.aadd is me
14:04:01 <Zakim> +rreck; got it
14:04:15 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:04:27 <gatemezi> Hi everyone...
14:04:33 <Yigal> zakim, ??P24 is me
14:04:33 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it
14:04:33 <rreck> sandro: did you get the log i sent of last week's meeting?
14:05:02 <bhyland> zakim, who is here?
14:05:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.566.aaaa, davidwood, Yigal, +49.721.aabb, ??P28, +1.703.292.aacc, mhausenblas, BartvanLeeuwen, martinAlvarez, rreck, hadleybeeman, Sandro
14:05:05 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
14:05:17 <TinaGheen> Zakim, aacc is me
14:05:17 <Zakim> +TinaGheen; got it
14:05:38 <bhyland> zakim davidwood is me
14:05:41 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, aabb is bkaempgen
14:05:41 <Zakim> +bkaempgen; got it
14:05:56 <boris> Zakim, mhausenblas is with me
14:05:56 <Zakim> sorry, boris, I do not recognize a party named 'boris'
14:06:09 <cgueret_home> cgueret_home has joined #gld
14:06:15 <mhausenblas> Zakim, boris is with me
14:06:15 <Zakim> +boris; got it
14:06:20 <boris> thanks Michael
14:06:31 <cgueret_home> hi everyone
14:06:35 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is MikePendleton 
14:06:35 <Zakim> +MikePendleton; got it
14:06:38 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, +1.202.566.aaaa is MIkePendleton
14:06:38 <Zakim> sorry, HadleyBeeman, I do not recognize a party named '+1.202.566.aaaa'
14:06:46 <bhyland> zakim, who is here?
14:06:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikePendleton, davidwood, Yigal, bkaempgen, ??P28, TinaGheen, mhausenblas, BartvanLeeuwen, martinAlvarez, rreck, hadleybeeman, Sandro
14:06:50 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri, boris
14:06:52 <annew> annew has joined #gld
14:06:57 <olyerickson> Zakim, ??P28 is olyerickson
14:06:57 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
14:07:07 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, aabb is BenediktKaempgen
14:07:07 <Zakim> sorry, BenediktKaempgen, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
14:07:11 <Zakim> +Cory
14:07:38 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, bkaempgen is BenediktKaempgen
14:07:38 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it
14:07:55 <cygri> scribe: cygri
14:08:28 <Zakim> +??P68
14:08:57 <cgueret_home> I just joined the call
14:09:05 <cygri> zakim, who is noisy?
14:09:16 <Zakim> cygri, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:09:18 <cgueret_home> :)
14:09:29 <cgueret_home> Christophe Gueret
14:09:35 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mite cgueret_home 
14:09:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mite cgueret_home', mhausenblas
14:09:39 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute cgueret_home 
14:09:39 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not know which phone connection belongs to cgueret_home
14:09:52 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?
14:09:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikePendleton, davidwood, Yigal, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, TinaGheen, mhausenblas, BartvanLeeuwen, martinAlvarez, rreck, hadleybeeman, Sandro, Cory, ??P68
14:09:52 <cygri> zakim, ??P68 is cgueret_home
14:09:55 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri, boris
14:09:56 <Zakim> +cgueret_home; got it
14:10:06 <cygri> zakim, mute cgueret_home
14:10:06 <Zakim> cgueret_home should now be muted
14:10:21 <cygri> agenda:
14:10:31 <cygri> zakim, unmute cgueret_home
14:10:31 <Zakim> cgueret_home should no longer be muted
14:10:45 <cgueret_home> q+
14:10:54 <Zakim> + +1.202.691.aaee
14:10:55 <cygri> bhyland: we have some new members and official invited experts
14:11:07 <cygri> ... please introduce yourself
14:11:24 <mhausenblas> q?
14:11:26 <olyerickson> q?
14:11:30 <rreck> q?
14:11:30 <bhyland> q?
14:11:30 <cgueret_home> @bhyland it's ok I have access to the wiki etc
14:11:38 <cygri> ... and make sure you're on the mailing list and can edit the wiki
14:11:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland, all works for me since this week 
14:12:07 <mhausenblas> ack cgueret_home 
14:12:10 <mhausenblas> q?
14:12:11 <cygri> cgueret_home: Christophe Gueret at VUA
14:12:16 <cgueret_home> LATC
14:12:17 <cygri> ... work in the LATC project
14:12:20 <cgueret_home>
14:12:21 <Zakim> + +1.703.913.aaff
14:12:27 <bhyland> q?
14:12:46 <Cory> Cory has joined #GLD
14:13:28 <cygri> daniel: DOD ... interested in best practices
14:13:39 <Zakim> +??P39
14:13:55 <gatemezi> Welcome Christophe!!
14:14:21 <cgueret_home> thanks :)
14:14:27 <cygri> bhyland: we have a balance of research folks and government folks in the group
14:14:54 <cygri> ... if you have use cases etc, you're encouraged to present them
14:15:24 <cygri> ... this is a very pragmatic working group ... we will develop some specifications but also best practices
14:16:05 <cygri> ... feel free to form breakout groups, write emails and cc the list, develop discussion on the wiki
14:16:26 <cygri> ... now that we're off the ground and have WG mechanics in place
14:16:52 <bhyland> q?
14:17:24 <cygri> ... there's a poll for next F2F
14:17:47 <olyerickson> I need to verify travel ;) 
14:17:58 <cygri>
14:18:06 <gatemezi> what about the minutes of our previous meeting?
14:18:11 <cygri> ... please fill out if you haven't yet
14:18:24 <cgueret_home> I sent a log to Sandro
14:18:53 <cygri> ... minutes from last week's minutes didn't get captured, we need to reconstruct them from christophe's irc log
14:18:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
14:19:08 <cygri> topic: Community Directory
14:19:44 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
14:20:05 <cygri> uhm, bhyland, we dropped for some reason
14:20:15 <bhyland> Will do.
14:20:26 <gatemezi> ComDir.. @bhyland.. I had some questions that I send them to you
14:20:39 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
14:20:49 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
14:20:49 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
14:20:59 <mhausenblas> Zakim, boris is with me
14:20:59 <Zakim> +boris; got it
14:21:07 <Zakim> + +1.757.604.aagg
14:21:51 <gatemezi> ComDir we need to see what next after having access to 3roudstones platform..
14:22:23 <bhyland> BartvanLeeuwen: Discussed practitioners of LD in Netherlands.  Some is documented (in Dutch) re: use of standard vocabs and Bart is looking for place to integrate this info.  Looking for entry point within EU.
14:22:27 <BartvanLeeuwen>
14:22:33 <mhausenblas> q+
14:22:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-
14:23:18 <mhausenblas> ack me
14:23:22 <bhyland> q- mhausenblas
14:23:28 <bhyland> q?
14:23:41 <cygri> bhyland: how do you deal with specifications/documents etc that are not in english, in w3c?
14:24:48 <cygri> mhausenblas: when you bring together people from different backgrounds, the rest follows
14:25:01 <cygri> ... of course people want documents in their own language
14:25:11 <bhyland> mhausenblas: RE: Discussed issues of publishing info in other languages than English. People want info in their own language.  SMEs and Web Developers need this. We don't have a really good solution, but safe bet to say that if people get together solutions seem to emerge.
14:25:46 <cygri> bhyland: bart, can your colleague come to a F2F meeting?
14:25:51 <mhausenblas> scribenick: cygri 
14:25:59 <bhyland> ack cygri
14:26:09 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: not sure. he's very active in dublin core and eGovernment
14:26:41 <gatemezi> But I suppose that a small summary of documents in other languages that English could be necessary.. 
14:26:57 <cygri> ... there are various overlapping activities around definition of vocabularies
14:27:07 <cygri> ... how to avoid duplicate work?
14:27:41 <cygri> bhyland: question of publishing in multiple languages is critical
14:27:52 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: will take it to the mailing list
14:28:04 <olyerickson> Note that I don't think internationalization is completely disconnected from the work of this group
14:28:12 <cygri> bhyland: i'll check if callimachus can handle content in multiple languages
14:28:25 <olyerickson> +1 to querying directory info (that's my point)
14:28:30 <HadleyBeeman> Can we learn anything from the semantic web interest group? They must've had to deal with internationalisation and multiple languages.
14:28:58 <cygri> bhyland: a few questions have been raised regarding the community directory
14:29:07 <Yigal> q+
14:29:25 <cygri> ... email me to get a login
14:29:33 <bhyland> q?
14:29:34 <GeraldSteeman> GeraldSteeman has joined #gld
14:29:37 <mhausenblas> ack Yigal 
14:29:41 <BenediktKaempgen> q+
14:30:06 <cygri> Yigal: i'm uncertain about the form it should take exactly. but i'll try to add some things
14:30:18 <cygri> bhyland: what portion do you want to help with?
14:30:54 <cygri> Yigal: research funding. describe in detail what attributes, categories of sources, tpyes of funding are available
14:31:07 <cygri> bhyland: can you describe why this is important?
14:31:54 <cygri> Yigal: academics get funding from government agencies. it's important for people to understand what's involved in getting such funding
14:32:22 <cygri> bhyland: (anecdote on AI winter and semantic web)
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14:33:03 <Zakim> + +1.202.566.aahh
14:33:26 <olyerickson> RDF isn't a standard, it's a recommendation ;) 
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14:34:04 <bhyland> q?
14:34:21 <cygri> topic: Data Cube
14:34:38 <cygri> Benedikt: (reports on data cube breakout last week)
14:35:02 <cygri> ... goal: recommend how to publish governmental statistical data
14:35:07 <BenediktKaempgen>
14:35:12 <cygri> ... sdmx might be too expressive
14:35:24 <cygri> ... what exactly is needed, is still not entirely clear
14:35:41 <cygri> ... john sheridan reported on how they specialized data cube for COINS
14:36:09 <cygri> ... the specialization makes it easier to talk about financial data
14:36:18 <cygri> ... as opposed to statistical concepts (dimensions etc)
14:36:27 <annew> RFC?
14:36:35 <cygri> ... unfortunately, data is not available with dereferenceable URIs, only zip files
14:36:54 <cygri> ... another topic: how should statistical data be consumed?
14:36:55 <bhyland> @annew RFC = request for comment
14:36:55 <olyerickson> JohnS noted that DataCube more suited to "aggregate" data
14:37:24 <cygri> ... another topic: what's missing from the vocabulary
14:37:42 <cygri> ... perhaps: can descriptions of different datasets be combined? 
14:37:43 <cygri> q+
14:38:01 <bhyland> q?
14:38:13 <bhyland> q- BenediktKaempgen
14:38:21 <bhyland> q- cygri
14:40:01 <bhyland> q?
14:40:02 <cygri> cygri: (you can announce that datasets can be combined by re-using code lists, concepts etc)
14:40:22 <cygri> benedikt: yes, but publishers tend not to do that. we have to find out why
14:41:15 <bhyland> q?
14:41:18 <olyerickson> @bhyland are you looking for e.g. JohnS's use cases? 
14:41:25 <cygri> topic: Procurement
14:41:43 <annew> thanks mhausenblas. RFC is a way to gather multiple perspectives /comments . 
14:41:55 <cygri> bhyland: is anyone here who can contribute to the discussion here?
14:42:47 <annew> and for clarity IETF is Internet Engineering Task Force
14:43:15 <cygri> topic: Provenance
14:42:49 <cygri> bhyland: last week we had Stephen Creswell (UK TSO) from the provenance WG who discussed what they have been doing, see  He is looking for liaison from the GLD WG to ensure we supply realistic use cases for their recommendations.
14:43:33 <gatemezi> yes
14:43:40 <gatemezi> no..
14:43:45 <gatemezi> sorry..
14:44:29 <cygri> olyerickson: i can help making the right connections regarding provenance
14:44:57 <bhyland> Stephen Cresswell (UK TSO)
14:45:22 <cygri> ACTION: olyerickson to connect with steven chresswell regarding provenance
14:45:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Connect with steven chresswell regarding provenance [on John Erickson - due 2011-09-08].
14:45:43 <cygri> topic: DNS Subdomain discussion
14:46:10 <Michael Pendleton> you definitely have permission
14:46:33 <cygri> bhyland: mike pendleton is with us. preparing to release several datasets
14:46:33 <gatemezi> Zakim, gatemezi maybe Ghislain Atemezing
14:46:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'gatemezi maybe Ghislain Atemezing', gatemezi
14:46:56 <cygri> ... looking for direction on identifiers
14:48:08 <cygri> ... we discussed having opendata.<orgname>.gov
14:48:19 <annew> +q
14:48:29 <cygri> ... experiences, anyone?
14:48:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
14:48:37 <bhyland> q?
14:48:52 <cygri> annew: what is the goal of a subdomain here?
14:49:28 <cygri> bhyland: we want to make rdf available for the epa. what shall we tell their sysadmin?
14:49:28 <cygri> q+
14:49:34 <cygri> ack annew
14:49:48 <David Smith> i.e.  and and so on
14:50:21 <cygri> annew: are you trying to encourage a convention so that everyone knows where to find the open data?
14:50:25 <David Smith> versus and (simplified examples)
14:50:30 <cygri> bhyland: it would be nice if there was consistency
14:50:39 <HadleyBeeman> q+
14:50:46 <bhyland> q?
14:50:52 <olyerickson> -1 to e.g. "" 
14:51:15 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: why do you say “open” and not just “data”?
14:51:18 <sandro> q?
14:51:20 <sandro> q?
14:51:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-
14:51:26 <mhausenblas> q?
14:51:31 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
14:51:32 <bhyland> q- BartvanLeeuwen
14:51:46 <cgueret_home> s/replace/replaced
14:51:48 <olyerickson> +1 to ""
14:51:59 <annew> +1
14:52:27 <cgueret_home> +1 data.<organisation>.<country>
14:52:32 <olyerickson> it's analogous to efforts like "" "" (or whatever)
14:52:42 <Zakim> +??P2
14:52:45 <cygri> cygri: data.<org>.<tld> is a common pattern. mirrors www.<org>.<tld>
14:52:47 <bhyland> ack HadleyBeeman
14:52:58 <olyerickson> Isn't GT using ?
14:53:02 <gatemezi> +1 for
14:53:27 <olyerickson> -1 to "opendata..." 
14:53:36 <Michael Pendleton> A big thanks from EPA for all this sage advice
14:53:41 <gatemezi> +1 to "opendata"..
14:53:51 <Zakim> -Sandro
14:53:54 <cygri> topic: Announcements
14:53:57 <mhausenblas> q+
14:53:58 <bhyland> q?
14:54:13 <olyerickson> q+
14:54:23 <annew> +1 olyerickson way tedious
14:54:33 <bhyland> +1 to
14:54:33 <cygri> mhausenblas: we have journal special issue in IEEE Intelligent Systems
14:54:35 <mhausenblas> ack me
14:54:36 <mhausenblas>
14:54:48 <gatemezi> for me it is to make clear that we are dealing with data that are OPEN.. 
14:54:49 <cygri> ... submissions due in three weeks
14:55:34 <cygri> bhyland: is this all about new research, or also about best practices?
14:56:33 <cygri> mhausenblas: looking for real-world experiences, but some relation to a research challenge should be present in the submission
14:56:39 <mhausenblas> q?
14:56:49 <bhyland> @mhausenblas: I encourage you to research out to the Ontoprise guys who I heard speak yesterday on work they are doing in enterprise hospital care, HR, hydro-power project using sem tech.
14:57:08 <olyerickson> q-
14:57:10 <bhyland> q?
14:57:15 <rreck> write another edition
14:57:28 <cygri> bhyland: ontoprise guys do very interesting stuff, i wish they had submitted a chapter to the LGD book
14:57:36 <cygri> ... open gov camp in warsaw
14:57:39 <GeraldSteeman> q+
14:57:42 <cygri> ... we are invited to organize a track there
14:57:58 <cygri> q+
14:58:12 <bhyland> q?
14:58:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> London opengov data camp was really nice last year
14:58:40 <mhausenblas> q?
14:58:42 <mhausenblas> ack GeraldSteeman 
14:58:50 <bhyland> *Hadley - thanks, I'll definitely take you up on that!
14:58:51 <olyerickson> q+
14:59:02 <cygri> GeraldSteeman: nov 3rd, NASA will host a meeting ...
14:59:09 <bhyland> ack GeraldSteeman
14:59:16 <bhyland> ack cygri
14:59:19 <cygri> ... would bhyland or george be available to speak there?
14:59:27 <GeraldSteeman> q-
14:59:30 <cygri> ... 14 agencies will be there, good opportunity
14:59:33 <cygri> q-
14:59:40 <TinaGheen> +1 for George or Bernadette speaking to CENDI
15:00:13 <cygri> olyerickson: the eGov Interest Group is restarted, calls were paused but are on now again
15:00:27 <HadleyBeeman> olyerickson I was there too
15:00:28 <annew> +1 CENDI is an important group to expose to open linked data
15:00:32 <sandro> (yep, this group is an spin-off of that group, the eGov IG)
15:00:34 <bhyland> Coming up on Sept 15th, GLD WG meeting will have Bernard Vatant from Mondeca as guest speaking on VoaF. 
15:00:37 <HadleyBeeman> q+
15:00:38 <cygri> ... i seem to be the olny one from this group on that call
15:00:53 <annew> Anne is an invited expert on egov interest group but missed first call
15:01:15 <olyerickson> q-
15:01:31 <sandro> In general they 9am on the third tuesday of the month.
15:01:38 <bhyland> q?
15:01:43 <sandro> (boston time)
15:02:04 <mhausenblas> ack HadleyBeeman 
15:02:46 <annew> +1 Hadley's comments on staying connected
15:02:52 <cygri> HadleyBeeman: there's lots of overlap in interest between both groups so we need strong connections
15:02:57 <bhyland> * @annew thanks for recommending we reach out to CENDI. *
15:02:57 <olyerickson> Great meeting bern!
15:03:05 <cygri> bhyland: adjourned
15:03:06 <rreck> thanks
15:03:08 <HadleyBeeman> Thanks, bhyland!
15:03:11 <rreck> its an hour long?
15:03:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx ! see you next week
15:03:12 <cgueret_home> thanks
15:03:14 <annew> cheers!
15:03:15 <cgueret_home> bye
15:03:17 <martinAlvarez> bye
15:03:19 <sandro> thanks!
15:03:20 <cygri> RRSAgent, make  minutes public
15:03:20 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make  minutes public', cygri.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:03:21 <bhyland> thanks all.
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15:03:33 <cygri> RRSAgent, make logs public