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<sandro> present: bern, gatemezi, mhaus, sandro, brafford, erickson, tobo, sheridan, bk, gerald, boris, george, cory, price <sandro> guest: Tina Gheen, NSF/LoC <sandro> guest: David (DruidSmith) Smith, EPA <sandro> guest: Bart (Simpson) van Leeuwen, Fire Dept Amsterdam <sandro> guest: Hadley Beeman, LinkedGov #<sandro> guest: Leonard Rosenthal, Adobe <sandro> guest: Zachary Whitley, JHU <sandro> guest: Yigal Arens, ISI 09:56:00 <ZacharyWhitley> Zakim, who is here? 09:56:00 <Zakim> sorry, ZacharyWhitley, I don't know what conference this is 09:56:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see bkaempgen, Zakim, George, mhausenblas, wbrafford, MacTed, bhyland, ZacharyWhitley, danbri, sandro, trackbot 09:57:00 <mhausenblas> Zakim, this will be GLD 09:57:00 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 09:57:00 <Zakim> + +49.721.aadd 09:58:00 <Zakim> +mhausenblas 09:58:00 <bkaempgen> zakim, who's here? 09:58:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.240.228.aaaa, +1.540.898.aabb, +1.443.708.aacc, +49.721.aadd, mhausenblas 09:58:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, TGheen, bkaempgen, Zakim, George, mhausenblas, wbrafford, MacTed, bhyland, ZacharyWhitley, danbri, sandro, trackbot 09:58:00 <Zakim> + +1.540.645.aaee 09:58:00 <Zakim> + +1.202.566.aaff 09:58:00 <wbrafford> Zakim, aacc is wbrafford 09:58:00 <bkaempgen> zakim, aadd is bkaempgen 09:58:00 <Zakim> +wbrafford; got it 09:58:00 <Zakim> +bkaempgen; got it 09:59:00 <TGheen> Zakim, aaee is me 09:59:00 <Zakim> +TGheen; got it 09:59:00 <bkaempgen> nick bkaempgen is Benedikt Kämpgen 09:59:00 <boris> zakim, boris with mhausenblas 09:59:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'boris with mhausenblas', boris 09:59:00 <boris> zakim, boris is with mhausenblas 09:59:00 <Zakim> +boris; got it 10:00:00 <Zakim> + +1.202.690.aagg 10:00:00 <ZacharyWhitley> Zakim, who's here? 10:00:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.240.228.aaaa, +1.540.898.aabb, wbrafford, bkaempgen, mhausenblas, TGheen, +1.202.566.aaff, +1.202.690.aagg 10:00:00 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, boris 10:00:00 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2001.07.28 10:00:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see gatemezi, boris, TGheen, bkaempgen, Zakim, George, mhausenblas, wbrafford, MacTed, bhyland, ZacharyWhitley, danbri, sandro, trackbot 10:00:00 <gatemezi> rrsagent, make records public 10:00:00 <George> Zakim, aagg is George 10:00:00 <Zakim> +George; got it 10:01:00 <Zakim> +Cory 10:01:00 <ZacharyWhitley> Zakim, +1.240.228.aaaa is ZacharyWhitley 10:01:00 <Zakim> +ZacharyWhitley; got it 10:01:00 <Zakim> +??P24 10:02:00 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aahh 10:03:00 <Zakim> -??P24 10:03:00 <gatemezi> Hi everyone.. 10:04:00 <gatemezi> Have some problem to invite rrsagent 10:04:00 <Zakim> +??P37 10:04:00 <bkaempgen> zakim, who's here? 10:04:00 <Zakim> + +1.440.389.aaii 10:04:00 <bhyland> To help remind people of people's names/faces, see http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47663&public=1 10:04:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see ZacharyWhitley, +1.540.898.aabb, wbrafford, bkaempgen, mhausenblas, TGheen, +1.202.566.aaff, George, Cory, +1.518.276.aahh, ??P37, +1.440.389.aaii 10:04:00 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, boris 10:04:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, Yigal, Mike, Simpson_2, gatemezi, boris, TGheen, bkaempgen, Zakim, George, mhausenblas, wbrafford, MacTed, bhyland, ZacharyWhitley, danbri, sandro, 10:04:00 <Simpson_2> did the passcode change ? 10:04:00 <Zakim> ... trackbot 10:04:00 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, +1.440.389.aaii is hadleybeeman 10:04:00 <Zakim> +hadleybeeman; got it 10:04:00 <Yigal> zakim, ??P37 is Yigal 10:04:00 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it 10:05:00 <Simpson_2> thx 10:05:00 <Simpson_2> strange 10:06:00 <Zakim> +??P40 10:06:00 <Zakim> + +1.617.489.aajj 10:06:00 <Simpson_2> Zakim, ??p40 is me 10:06:00 <Zakim> +Simpson_2; got it 10:07:00 <bhyland> Ghislain, please confirm you are scribing? 10:07:00 <Zakim> + +1.757.604.aakk 10:07:00 <gatemezi> scribe: gatemezi 10:08:00 <gatemezi> nick gatemezi is Ghislain Atemezing 10:08:00 <gatemezi> could we begin now? 10:08:00 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here? 10:08:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see ZacharyWhitley, +1.540.898.aabb, wbrafford, bkaempgen, mhausenblas, TGheen, +1.202.566.aaff, George, Cory, +1.518.276.aahh, Yigal, hadleybeeman, Simpson_2, 10:08:00 <Zakim> ... +1.617.489.aajj, +1.757.604.aakk 10:09:00 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, boris 10:09:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, cory-c, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, Yigal, Mike, Simpson_2, gatemezi, boris, TGheen, bkaempgen, Zakim, George, mhausenblas, wbrafford, MacTed, bhyland, 10:09:00 <Zakim> ... ZacharyWhitley, danbri, sandro, trackbot 10:09:00 <ZacharyWhitley> We could probably use the EPA data in conjunction with some work on homeland security at APL. 10:10:00 <gatemezi> topic: Announcements 10:10:00 <cory-c> zakin, Cory is cory-c 10:11:00 <bhyland> Minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-07-21 10:11:00 <cory-c> zakim, Coary is cory-c 10:11:00 <Zakim> sorry, cory-c, I do not recognize a party named 'Coary' 10:11:00 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-07-21 as minutes of last week. 10:11:00 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-07-21 10:11:00 <sandro> :-) 10:11:00 <cory-c> Zakin, Cory is cory-c 10:11:00 <cory-c> Cory can't type today 10:11:00 <mhausenblas> +1 10:11:00 <George> +1 10:11:00 <sandro> RESOLVED: Accept the minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-07-21 10:12:00 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask re issue tracker 10:12:00 <gatemezi> If resolved, next topic then? 10:12:00 <mhausenblas> q? 10:12:00 <cory-c> zakim, Cory is cory-c 10:12:00 <Zakim> +cory-c; got it 10:14:00 <Zakim> + +1.202.566.aall 10:14:00 <gatemezi> zakim, who is on the phone? 10:14:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see ZacharyWhitley, +1.540.898.aabb, wbrafford, bkaempgen, mhausenblas, TGheen, +1.202.566.aaff, George, cory-c, +1.518.276.aahh, Yigal, hadleybeeman, Simpson_2, 10:14:00 <Zakim> ... +1.617.489.aajj, +1.757.604.aakk, +1.202.566.aall 10:14:00 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, boris 10:14:00 <mhausenblas> q? 10:14:00 <mhausenblas> ack me 10:14:00 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask re issue tracker 10:15:00 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/ 10:16:00 <gatemezi> mhausenblas: is it announcement? 10:16:00 <gatemezi> ...or something else? 10:17:00 <sandro> q? 10:17:00 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-1? 10:17:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-1 -- Where should the BP cookbook go? -- open 10:17:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/1 10:18:00 <Zakim> +??P50 10:19:00 <gatemezi> It seems there is no announcements... we move then to the second point of the agenda? 10:20:00 <gatemezi> zakim, who is on the phone? 10:20:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see ZacharyWhitley, +1.540.898.aabb, wbrafford, bkaempgen, mhausenblas, TGheen, +1.202.566.aaff, George, cory-c, +1.518.276.aahh, Yigal, hadleybeeman, Simpson_2, 10:20:00 <Zakim> ... +1.617.489.aajj, +1.757.604.aakk, +1.202.566.aall, ??P50 10:20:00 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, boris 10:21:00 <wbrafford> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Community_Directory_Questionnaire 10:21:00 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1_Community_Directory_Discussion_Summary#Information_Collected.2FDisplayed 10:21:00 <bhyland> q? 10:24:00 <ZacharyWhitley> +1 10:24:00 <gatemezi> wbrafford: which type of technology will we manage to gather these data? 10:24:00 <DruidSmith> Zakim, .aall is me 10:24:00 <Zakim> sorry, DruidSmith, I do not recognize a party named '.aall' 10:24:00 <bhyland> q- ZacharyWhitley 10:24:00 <DruidSmith> Zakim, aall is me 10:24:00 <Zakim> +DruidSmith; got it 10:25:00 <HadleyBeeman> q+ 10:25:00 <cory-c> I see no reason not to allow posting of information when it is available, people don't like to call vendors : ) 10:25:00 <gatemezi> cory-c: alternative name ? 10:26:00 <Yigal> q+ 10:26:00 <cory-c> gatemezi, cory-c is Cory Casanave, Model Driven Solutions 10:27:00 <olyerickson> q+ 10:27:00 <mhausenblas> ack HadleyBeeman 10:27:00 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: int'l law and culture will affect this privacy/publicity question 10:28:00 <bhyland> Hadley: Due to legal & cultural differences, vendors/consultants may or may not be able or willing to put deployments info on the W3C Community Directory 10:28:00 <dpe> David Price, TopQuadrant on zakim and irc 10:29:00 <bhyland> Yigal: We should be driven by the purpose of the Community Directory. I thought it was to help organizations get started and therefore having deployments detailed would be helpful. 10:29:00 <sandro> I agree with Yigal -- a big point of CD is for folks to learn from each other -- so there is value even if there are only a few entries -- it doesn't need to be complete. 10:29:00 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to Yigal 10:29:00 <wbrafford> +1 to Yigal 10:29:00 <cory-c> +1 Yigal 10:30:00 <bhyland> +1 Yigal and Olyerickson 10:30:00 <ZacharyWhitley> are we debating providing links to vendors or posting the content directly to the directory? 10:30:00 <cory-c> q+ 10:30:00 <bhyland> q? 10:30:00 <George> +1 Cory, Sandro, Yigal, John 10:30:00 <bhyland> q- Yigal 10:30:00 <sandro> ZacharyWhitley, I think we're debating whether to even ask questions that lots of folks can't/wont answer. 10:30:00 <olyerickson> q- 10:30:00 <bhyland> q- olyerickson 10:30:00 <bhyland> q- cory-c 10:32:00 <bhyland> Topic: Best Practices Discussion 10:33:00 <mhausenblas> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/78852cca9f1a/bp/index.html 10:33:00 <sandro> q+ 10:33:00 <Zakim> +??P1 10:33:00 <gatemezi> mhausenblas: thanks for this draft 10:34:00 <sandro> zakim, who is talking? 10:34:00 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mhausenblas (45%), +1.202.566.aaff (74%) 10:34:00 <sandro> zakim, mute aaff 10:34:00 <Zakim> +1.202.566.aaff should now be muted 10:35:00 <sandro> (the connection +1.202.566.aaff was causing echo, so I muted it. sorry if that's you!) 10:36:00 <tobo> Hello from tobo 10:36:00 <bhyland> Mhausenblas: Discussed options for getting input on the Best Practices spec. One option is get contributors to add to wiki. Then Editors would be responsible for putting it into the editors draft. 10:37:00 <bhyland> q? 10:37:00 <gatemezi> I have also put two other links here http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary#2.2.3_URI_Construction 10:37:00 <gatemezi> Hope will be helpful 10:37:00 <bhyland> Sandro: Two solutions for editing, either ReSpec or the wiki. Initially he thought this group would be better suited using the wiki. 10:38:00 <bhyland> Mhausenblas: There will be a day when we have to publish the first Working Draft. 10:38:00 <bhyland> q+ 10:40:00 <johnlsheridan> I think the wiki is the best bet (agree with Sandro) 10:40:00 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to Bernadette that the wiki is an easy to do group work. Less versioning, less confusion. 10:40:00 <HadleyBeeman> an easy place 10:41:00 <bhyland> To be clear, I think mhausenblas and I (bhyland) are suggesting that we use wiki, but that the editors pull the info over into ReSpec using Mercurial. 10:42:00 <gatemezi> +1 for Bernadette & mhausenblas proposal 10:42:00 <bhyland> q? 10:42:00 <sandro> q- 10:42:00 <olyerickson> I support either method (hg or wiki) ... as long as additions can be reverted, either is fine 10:43:00 <bhyland> q- sandro, bhyland 10:45:00 <olyerickson> +1 to Cookbook being "living" (evolving) document; wiki is a great approach; lives beyond GLD WG activity 10:45:00 <HadleyBeeman> Strong support to keep the cookbook as a live document; we're learning (collectively) loads all the time. It would be a shame for it to become stale because we couldn't incorporate new progress. 10:46:00 <mhausenblas> +1 10:46:00 <gatemezi> +1 10:46:00 <Simpson_2> +1 for keeping it a live doc 10:46:00 <bhyland> Proposed: The Linked Data Cookbook be on a WG wiki now, but keep the option to move to non-WG wiki after the life of the WG to allow it to evolve over time. 10:47:00 <boris> r u writing the proposal? 10:47:00 <bhyland> q? 10:47:00 <George> +1 10:47:00 <mhausenblas> +1 10:47:00 <gatemezi> I think it could be approved? 10:48:00 <johnlsheridan> I should own up to knowing some things about procurement... 10:48:00 <sandro> RESOLVED: The Linked Data Cookbook be on a WG wiki now, but keep the option to move to non-WG wiki after the life of the WG to allow it to evolve over time. 10:48:00 <HadleyBeeman> I can help with stability 10:48:00 <olyerickson> What is "stability" in this contxt 10:48:00 <gatemezi> thanks, Sandro 10:48:00 <bhyland> Topic: Vocabulary, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary 10:49:00 <Zakim> +Sandro 10:49:00 <Zakim> - +1.617.489.aajj 10:49:00 <DruidSmith> +q 10:50:00 <olyerickson> I should be added to "Standard Vocabs" list of people... 10:50:00 <bhyland> Noted olyerickson. 10:50:00 <bhyland> q? 10:51:00 <Simpson_2> +q 10:51:00 <bhyland> @olyerickson, do you want to put down a topic or area you are interested in supporting under Vocabularies please? 10:52:00 <DruidSmith> -q 10:52:00 <bkaempgen> q+ 10:52:00 <olyerickson> "LOL" 10:53:00 <mhausenblas> q? 10:53:00 <Simpson_2> +q 10:54:00 <bhyland> bkaempgen asked how to give feedback on the wiki page on Vocabulary Discussion. He is interested in Cube Vocab but wants to give feedback on others too. 10:54:00 <olyerickson> q+ 10:54:00 <olyerickson> +1 to "create a (comment) page and link to it..." 10:55:00 <bhyland> +1 to creating comment page linked from wiki if you have a lot of comments. 10:55:00 <mhausenblas> Michael: maybe NL should implement INSPIRE? :) 10:56:00 <George> the wiki has a 'discussion' tab for topics/articles/pages 10:56:00 <mhausenblas> q+ 10:56:00 <boris> q+ 10:56:00 <gatemezi> George: you are right.. 10:56:00 <bkaempgen> q- 10:56:00 <bhyland> Bart: In EU, you have a lot of local gov't organizations who would have different encoding processes/methodologies/standards. 10:57:00 <HadleyBeeman> q+ 10:57:00 <DruidSmith> If this is referring to NL-specific coordinate systems, there is a registry of spatial reference systems at the European Petroleum Survey Group which has most of the world's spatial reference systems 10:57:00 <bhyland> Bart: How do we capture regional specific ways of capturing information, it isn't the data that is specific, but how it is described by the region that unique. 10:58:00 <DruidSmith> http://www.epsg.org/ - EPSG is a recognized international standard for specifying coordinate systems within spatial databases, also there are WKT (Well Known Text) representations 10:59:00 <bhyland> q? 10:59:00 <bhyland> q- simpson 10:59:00 <bhyland> q- erickson 10:59:00 <mhausenblas> ack olyerickson 10:59:00 <ZacharyWhitley> this sould be contained within the geosparql spec 11:00:00 <bhyland> Resolved: Create a wiki page for discussion/background on topics related to the Deliverables. 11:00:00 <bhyland> q? 11:00:00 <mhausenblas> ack mhausenblas 11:01:00 <bhyland> mhausenblas: Do discussions via mailing list. Write structured, agreed to parts on the wiki. 11:01:00 <gatemezi> RESOLVED: Create a wiki page for discussion/background on topics related to the Deliverable related to Geo spec/standards/methodologies 11:01:00 <bhyland> +1 to mhausenblas approach for iteration 11:01:00 <bhyland> q? 11:02:00 <mhausenblas> ack boris 11:02:00 <gatemezi> Do we have time to move to the 4th point? 11:02:00 <bhyland> who is speaking now? 11:02:00 <Zakim> -TGheen 11:02:00 <mhausenblas> http://data.semanticweb.org/person/asuncion-gomez-perez 11:03:00 <boris> thanks michael 11:03:00 <bhyland> q? 11:04:00 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is on the phone? 11:04:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see ZacharyWhitley, +1.540.898.aabb, wbrafford, bkaempgen, mhausenblas, +1.202.566.aaff (muted), George, cory-c, +1.518.276.aahh, Yigal, hadleybeeman, Simpson_2, 11:04:00 <Zakim> ... +1.757.604.aakk, DruidSmith, ??P50, ??P1, Sandro 11:04:00 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, boris 11:04:00 <mhausenblas> Zakim, list participants 11:04:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.540.898.aabb, +1.443.708.aacc, +49.721.aadd, mhausenblas, +1.540.645.aaee, +1.202.566.aaff, wbrafford, bkaempgen, TGheen, boris, 11:04:00 <Zakim> ... +1.202.690.aagg, George, ZacharyWhitley, +1.518.276.aahh, hadleybeeman, Yigal, +1.617.489.aajj, Simpson_2, +1.757.604.aakk, cory-c, +1.202.566.aall, DruidSmith, Sandro 11:05:00 <Simpson_2> +1 11:05:00 <johnlsheridan> Bye 11:05:00 <Simpson_2> thx bye 11:05:00 <Zakim> - +1.202.566.aaff 11:05:00 <George> bye 11:05:00 <Zakim> -mhausenblas 11:05:00 <bhyland> adjourned 11:05:00 <Steeman> Thanks 11:05:00 <Zakim> -Sandro 11:05:00 <Zakim> -Simpson_2 11:05:00 <Zakim> -hadleybeeman 11:05:00 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aahh 11:05:00 <Zakim> -bkaempgen 11:05:00 <Zakim> -Yigal 11:05:00 <Zakim> -George 11:05:00 <Zakim> -DruidSmith 11:06:00 <Zakim> -cory-c 11:06:00 <bhyland> Ghislain, are you familiar with the process for writing the minutes using zakim? 11:06:00 <Zakim> - +1.540.898.aabb 11:06:00 <Zakim> -ZacharyWhitley 11:06:00 <Zakim> -wbrafford 11:06:00 <Zakim> -??P50