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<sandro> scribe: sandro <sandro> present: bern, sandro, george, cygri, irene, boris, cory, martin, raphael <sandro> guest: Andy Schain, NASA <sandro> guest: Anne Washington, GWU <sandro> guest: Bob DuCharme <sandro> guest: Chris Musialek, GSA <sandro> guest: Daniel Mekonnen, Alion <sandro> guest: David (DruidSmith) Smith, EPA <sandro> guest: David Wood, 3 Round Stones <sandro> guest: Ernest (Ernie) Lucier, NITRD <sandro> guest: Faisal D'Souza, NITRD <sandro> guest: Gerald Steeman, NASA <sandro> guest: Greg (gtw) Williams, RPI <sandro> guest: Kevin Merritt, Socrata <sandro> guest: Kristin Rutland, NASA <sandro> guest: Michael (MikeA) Aisenberg, MITRE <sandro> guest: Michael (MikeP) Pendleton, EPA <sandro> guest: Richard (Rick) Murphy, GSA <sandro> guest: Ronald Reck, Rrecktek <sandro> guest: Tina Gheen, NSF/LoC <sandro> guest: Todd Pehle, Orbis <sandro> guest: William Brafford, Revelytix <sandro> guest: William Sanchez, Orbis <sandro> guest: Yigal Arens, ISI <sandro> guest: Ansgar Scherp, Koblenz <sandro> guest: Bart van Leeuwen, Fire Dept Amsterdam <sandro> guest: Benedikt (bkaempgen) Kämpgen, FZI Karlsruhe <sandro> guest: Hadley Beeman, LinkedGov <sandro> guest: Jeanne Holm, NASA <sandro> guest: Michael Hausenblas, DERI <sandro> guest: Simon Wall, Australian Bureau of Statistics <sandro> guest: Tope (tobo) Omitola, Soton <sandro> guest: Zachary Whitley, JHU <sandro> guest: George Strawn, NITRD 12:59:09 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #gld 12:59:09 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-gld-irc 12:59:13 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #gld 12:59:14 <George> George has joined #gld 12:59:26 <raphael> raphael has joined #gld 12:59:29 <sandro> Zakim, this is gld 12:59:29 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches SW_e-Gov(GLDWG)8:00AM 12:59:31 <sandro> Zakim, who is here? 12:59:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, +1.240.228.aabb (muted), +1.303.773.aadd, +44.776.871.aaee (muted), +1.757.604.aaff, ??P16 12:59:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see raphael, George, Zakim, RRSAgent, sandro, Jeanne_, gtw, ZachWhitley, Debbie, HadleyBeeman, boris, cygri, BartvanLeeuwen, martin, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot 13:01:55 <Zakim> +Jeanne 13:03:00 <Bernadette> Bernadette has joined #gld 13:03:07 <sandro> topic: Welcome from NITRD 13:03:18 <Zakim> +??P28 13:03:23 <sandro> George Strawn talking about NITRD 13:03:55 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public 13:04:03 <Zakim> + +49.721.aagg 13:04:26 <George> http://dashboard.nitrd.gov/ 13:04:32 <sandro> strawn: We've already made a Semantic Dashboard, for results of our 20 year history of activities. We have some self-interest in hosting you. 13:04:33 <Bernadette> Bernadette has joined #gld 13:04:45 <bkaempgen> bkaempgen has joined #gld 13:05:47 <sandro> topic: Introductions 13:06:10 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1_Attendance 13:06:25 <sandro> Andy Schain, NASA 13:06:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> sandro, can I just edit and add myself to the remote list ? 13:06:54 <sandro> andy: I'm the new AC Rep for NASA. We've had a few successful LD implementations within NASA 13:06:59 <sandro> yes, BartvanLeeuwen 13:07:43 <sandro> Bernadette Hyland, 3 Round Stones (co-chair) 13:08:19 <sandro> Bernadette: I've been doing Sem Tech since before RDF, experience at CEO of companies doing this work 13:09:01 <sandro> Bernadette: This is an INTERNATIONAL WG; lots of people from other countries on the phone. 13:09:07 <sandro> Bob DuCharme 13:09:25 <sandro> bobd: I'm with TQ, but not representing them today. 13:09:41 <sandro> Chris Musialek, GSA 13:10:09 <sandro> chrism: A software developer at GSA, recently joined data.gov team, getting up to speed on LD 13:10:18 <sandro> Cory Casanave, Model-Driven Solutions 13:10:44 <sandro> cory: active in a lot of the standards, eg OMG, Arch EcoSystem, Open Gov Vocabs WG 13:11:05 <sandro> David Wood, 3 Round Stones 13:11:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> volume is okay 13:11:38 <sandro> DavidW: I work with Bern at 3RS, I'm co-chair of RDF WG at W3C. Been doing this stuff a long time. 13:12:02 <wbrafford> wbrafford has joined #gld 13:12:17 <sandro> Ernest Lucier, NITRD 13:12:41 <sandro> ernest: Our goal is spread the word, get other agencies to take advantage 13:12:50 <sandro> George Thomas, HHS (co-chair) 13:13:25 <sandro> George: Being working with SemWeb Tech and LD for a little while, recently complete project. Happy to have the opportunity to co-chair this wrok 13:13:36 <sandro> Gerald Steeman, NASA (remote) 13:14:27 <sandro> gerald: At NASA STI program. Got about 1m technical reports, 300k digitized, many more tech documents in metadata ref form, ... we're interested in where linked data will take us in the future --- we have a lot of stuff we could use more efficiently; 13:14:32 <sandro> Greg Williams, RPI 13:15:15 <sandro> gregw: representing RPI's LD project. I mostly do low-level workflows on the team, converting data to RDF. It might not be me long-term for RDF. 13:16:08 <sandro> Michael Pendleton, EPA 13:16:40 <sandro> pend: Work in datastds of key data objects, facs and chems we regulated. working on substance registry 13:17:02 <sandro> pend: working on toxics release inventory, very important data set. 13:17:16 <raphael> raphael has joined #gld 13:17:26 <sandro> Ronald Reck, Rrecktek 13:18:08 <sandro> ron: Consultant, I've worked on big RDF projects, inference for access control, versioning system, hoping to join at IE. Was on GRDDL WG, Social Web IG, ... 13:18:16 <sandro> Sandro Hawke, W3C (staff contact) 13:18:53 <raphael> Raphael, EURECOM (France), datalift project in France that aims to do the data.gov.fr, interest in multimedia semantics, working on SW and LinkedData since 10 years 13:19:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> it was hard 13:19:09 <sandro> Todd Pehle, Orbis 13:19:10 <Bernadette> Sandro introduces himself, been involved in semweb stuff for 11 years. He is working also on SPARQL working group, RDF WG, along with GLD WG. 13:19:59 <sandro> todd: RDF, cloud computing, a number of programs using Linked Data. Tasked to do LD Best Practices within org, so excited to be here 13:20:15 <sandro> todd: GIS / Spacial. Geo VoCamp at LoC recently. 13:20:36 <sandro> William Brafford, Revelytix 13:21:13 <sandro> braf: SW compa out of Baltimore, data federation, govt projects. NYC data projects last fall. Interested in govt data publishing space. 13:21:26 <sandro> dwood: Rev is one of the most innovative companies in this space. 13:21:33 <sandro> Yigal Arens, ISI 13:21:51 <sandro> Arens: Worked in data space years ago. 13:22:07 <sandro> William Sanchez, Orbis 13:22:32 <sandro> sanchez: I work with Todd. NCI, CDC; did LD for biomedical 13:22:45 <sandro> Kristin Rutland, NASA 13:23:02 <sandro> kristin: NASA with Vantage SW. Tasked to help on content collaboration strategy 13:23:34 <sandro> Tina Gheen, NSF: Library director at NSF, temp assig to LoC 13:24:26 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call? 13:24:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, +1.240.228.aabb, +1.303.773.aadd, +44.776.871.aaee, +1.757.604.aaff, ??P16, Jeanne, ??P28, +49.721.aagg (muted) 13:24:38 <sandro> Bart van Leeuwen, netage.nl / Fire Department Amsterdam, 13:25:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> did anyhing come through ? 13:26:04 <sandro> yes, BartvanLeeuwen we heard you. :-) 13:26:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> okay, didn't get any feedback 13:26:17 <sandro> Boris Villazón Terrazas, U.P. Madrid 13:26:54 <sandro> boris: research in ontology group at Univ Polit. Madrid; working with several agencies 13:28:01 <sandro> Brodt-Giles 13:28:15 <sandro> Hadley Beeman, LinkedGov 13:28:30 <sandro> hadley: head of UK Govts board 13:28:41 <sandro> hadley: interested in doing it via gamification 13:28:57 <sandro> hadly: interesting in contributing ways to do this on the ground, with real take up 13:29:06 <sandro> Jeanne Holm, NASA 13:29:32 <sandro> Jeanne: I'm eveng for Data.gov and Know. Arch at NASA. Also, for AF and Navy. 13:29:59 <sandro> Jeanne: Working on making data reusable 13:30:24 <sandro> Zachary Whitley, JHU 13:30:43 <Bernadette> Prior to Hadley Beeman and Jeanne Holm, was Debbie Brodt-Giles, from NREL calling in from Colorado. She is working on Open Energy International , sharing energy information with the world. 13:30:46 <raphael> s/hadly/hadley 13:30:47 <sandro> zach: A few LD/RDF projects, homeland protection, cross-agency data intg. 13:31:53 <sandro> Benedikt Kämpgen, FZI 13:32:23 <Bernadette> for ease of reference, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 13:33:13 <Zakim> +??P9 13:33:41 <gtw> Zakim, who is talking? 13:33:48 <martin> zakim, P9 is martin 13:33:48 <Zakim> sorry, martin, I do not recognize a party named 'P9' 13:33:54 <Zakim> gtw, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Jeanne (28%), +1.703.292.aaaa (88%) 13:34:16 <martin> zakim,+??P9 is martin 13:34:16 <Zakim> sorry, martin, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9' 13:34:43 <Yigal> Yigal has joined #gld 13:35:57 <martin> zakim, ??P9 is martin 13:35:57 <Zakim> +martin; got it 13:36:11 <davidwood> davidwood has joined #gld 13:36:15 <Bernadette> Sandro is giving an overview of the W3C now, see presentation on http://www.w3.org/2011/Talks/0628-gld-sandro/ 13:39:25 <Zakim> + +1.202.409.aahh 13:43:42 <cygri> cygri has joined #gld 13:43:44 <Bernadette> Sandro discussing the process, both formal & informal, around a working group. 13:44:47 <Bernadette> There is always input from two sides, the public and W3C members. Occasionally we take invited experts which we'll talk more about later. 13:46:08 <Bernadette> Within a Recommendation Track, every 3 mos a working draft is published. People who really care will follow each working draft, but the public review really comes in at the Last Call for Working Draft. 13:47:21 <Bernadette> Implementation phase - if it is code, code needs to have been written and tested. If policy, people have to have tried it and confirmed it works. This is the process to avoid publication of bad recommendations. 13:53:07 <boris> boris has joined #gld 13:54:11 <Zakim> + +49.261.287.aaii 13:54:53 <Ansgar_Scherp> just joined the telco 13:56:01 <HadleyBeeman> Have we lost the sound? 13:56:05 <HadleyBeeman> (or is it just me?) 13:56:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> just you 13:56:20 <Bernadette> can you try redialing in Hadley? 13:56:27 <HadleyBeeman> I will. Thanks 13:57:06 <Zakim> + +44.776.871.aajj 13:57:20 <Zakim> - +49.261.287.aaii 13:57:22 <Bernadette> Hadley, I assume that is you with +44 prefix ... 13:57:30 <HadleyBeeman> Yes— all better now! 13:57:31 <HadleyBeeman> Thanks 13:59:23 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, +44.776.871.aajj is HadleyBeeman 13:59:23 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it 13:59:54 <Zakim> - +44.776.871.aaee 14:00:25 <Michael> Michael has joined #gld 14:00:32 <chrism> chrism has joined #gld 14:00:51 <CoryCasanave> CoryCasanave has joined #GLD 14:02:24 <sandro> Bernadette: (underscoring international nature of group) 14:03:22 <sandro> David Smith, EPA 14:03:48 <sandro> dsmith:fairly new to LD, but getting out feet wet. 2.8m facilities. 14:04:18 <sandro> Daniel M: next gen air traffic system, doubling of air traffic 14:04:32 <sandro> .. have to cope with all their systems and agency data. Semantics is the way to handle that. 14:04:38 <sandro> Rick Murphy, GSA 14:04:59 <Zakim> - +1.202.409.aahh 14:05:06 <sandro> rick: I wrote w3c's linked gov data use case in 2008. 14:12:49 <Bernadette> Dave Wood encourages people who can *do* to participate in the GLD WG. He commented on how much does in fact get done with a geographically distributed community. 14:13:41 <Bernadette> Dave Wood highlights that the out of scope issue "A vocabulary for expressing the similarity between entities, like owl:sameAs or skos:exactMatch" means it is not up to this WG to come up with new mechanisms. We do expect to use existing mechanisms. 14:14:26 <user> user has joined #gld 14:14:37 <Bernadette> Can remote callers all hear Dave Wood speaking (mic is not close to him) 14:14:44 <HadleyBeeman> Yes 14:14:46 <Bernadette> ta 14:15:45 <tobo> tobo has joined #gld 14:16:07 <tobo> tobo has left #gld 14:16:25 <tobo> tobo has joined #gld 14:18:18 <bkaempgen> zakim, who's here? 14:18:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, +1.240.228.aabb (muted), +1.303.773.aadd, +1.757.604.aaff, ??P16, Jeanne, ??P28, +49.721.aagg (muted), martin (muted), HadleyBeeman 14:18:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see tobo, CoryCasanave, chrism, Michael, boris, cygri, Yigal, raphael, wbrafford, bkaempgen, Bernadette, George, Zakim, RRSAgent, sandro, Jeanne_, gtw, ZachWhitley, 14:18:23 <Zakim> ... Debbie, HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, martin, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot 14:18:39 <tobo> Yes, tobo == Tope Omitola 14:24:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> I miss a entry for 'events' 14:26:05 <Jeanne_> Will be offline for about 30 minutes then back. 14:26:55 <Zakim> -Jeanne 14:28:25 <sandro> ernie: How will you get Govt agencies to join, which seems necessary for this charter? 14:28:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> current speaker is not understandable 14:28:53 <Bernadette> Rick Murphy suggested a broader engagement model, beyond just federal gov't agencies. He has worked with other standards organizations who have a broader model. 14:28:58 <sandro> rick: W3C shouild consider a broader participation model. 14:29:12 <HadleyBeeman> Thanks, Bernadette 14:29:21 <sandro> rick: It's too limiitted to only sign up agencies. 14:29:57 <sandro> Michael Aisenberg, MITRE 14:30:26 <cygri_> cygri_ has joined #gld 14:30:26 <sandro> Irene Polikoff, TopQuadrant 14:30:48 <sandro> irene: CEO of TQ; we participate in stds, but this new for me. 14:31:05 <sandro> Kevin Merritt, Socrata 14:31:20 <sandro> kevin: We power many open govt platforms 14:31:27 <Zakim> +mhausenblas 14:31:48 <sandro> Richard Cyganiak, DERI 14:32:25 <sandro> cyg: We have a many gov data and LD activities. I'd like to talk about what we do for metadata and cube data. 14:32:27 <davidwood> davidwood has joined #gld 14:33:14 <Bernadette> Hi Richard, do you slides you can link to? http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 14:33:29 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman 14:33:30 <Bernadette> add link by your name for two slots ... 14:33:31 <Zakim> -martin 14:33:45 <Zakim> -??P28 14:34:15 <tobo> Tope Omitola, University of Southampton 14:34:46 <Zakim> -??P16 14:36:45 <bkaempgen> zakim, +49.721.aagg has bkaempgen 14:36:45 <Zakim> +bkaempgen; got it 14:40:53 <cygri> my slides are on the wiki 14:40:55 <cygri> 1. http://richard.cyganiak.de/2011/gld/gld-dcat-and-void.pdf 14:41:01 <cygri> 2. http://richard.cyganiak.de/2011/gld/gld-data-cube.pdf 14:43:16 <BartvanLeeuwen> BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 14:44:23 <Zakim> +??P0 14:45:47 <Zakim> +??P3 14:46:23 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman 14:46:29 <BartvanLeeuwen> zakim P3 is BartVanLeeuwen 14:46:55 <BartvanLeeuwen> zakim, ??P3 is BartVanLeeuwen 14:46:56 <Zakim> +BartVanLeeuwen; got it 14:48:08 <Zakim> - +1.303.773.aadd 14:48:39 <Zakim> +??P5 14:48:54 <martin> zakim, ??P5 is martin 14:48:54 <Zakim> +martin; got it 14:49:00 <martin> zakim, mute me 14:49:00 <Zakim> martin should now be muted 14:50:11 <BartvanLeeuwen> is there a hint + tips on using zakim and sip dialin ?? 14:50:34 <Zakim> + +1.303.773.aakk 14:53:22 <davidwood> Scribenick: davidwood 14:53:25 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/slides/2011-06-29-Aisenberg.pptx 14:53:42 <HadleyBeeman> For BartvanLeeuwen: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot 14:54:00 <cygri> http://richard.cyganiak.de/2011/gld/gld-dcat-and-void.pdf 14:55:41 <davidwood> Cygri: presenting metadata for datasets, especially two vocabularies being developed at DERI that are relevant to this group. 14:56:02 <davidwood> ... One of the major barriers has finds ology 14:56:29 <davidwood> s/finds ology/findability/ 14:57:01 <davidwood> ...dcat is a data catalog vocal 14:57:22 <davidwood> s/vocal/vocab/ 14:57:51 <davidwood> ...There are about 50 government data catalogs currently published. 14:59:45 <davidwood> ...dcat is based around Dublin Co, SKOS and FOAF. 15:00:58 <DruidSmith> DruidSmith has joined #GLD 15:01:33 <davidwood> ...cygri showed several uses and users of dcat, especially Spain. 15:02:13 <Zakim> + +49.261.287.aall 15:02:56 <DruidSmith> msg Bernadette I uploaded my slide deck to Slideshare: http://www.slideshare.net/DruidSmith/linked-data-w3c-20110629 - but I don't yet have W3C credentials to edit the wiki and add it... 15:03:17 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman 15:03:53 <Zakim> -martin 15:04:50 <davidwood> davidwood has joined #gld 15:05:07 <Zakim> +??P5 15:05:22 <davidwood> cygri next discussed VoID, a vocabulary to describe 4 and 5 star data sets. 15:05:28 <martin> zakim, ??P5 is martin 15:05:28 <Zakim> +martin; got it 15:06:02 <davidwood> ...VoID has been submitted as a W3 IG Note. 15:06:02 <martin> zakim, mute me 15:06:02 <Zakim> martin should now be muted 15:06:51 <davidwood> ...widely used, including by DBpedia, OpenLink, data.gov.uk and others. 15:07:01 <Zakim> +Jeanne 15:07:19 <davidwood> ...used to generate the LOD cloud diagram. 15:09:02 <cygri> part 2: http://richard.cyganiak.de/2011/gld/gld-data-cube.pdf 15:09:20 <davidwood> cygri: The Irish government has been slow to adopt LOD, so their work is funded by the EU. 15:09:25 <davidwood> cygri: Now presenting Publishing statistics with the Data Cube vocabulary. 15:11:12 <davidwood> ...Many government agencies collect and wish to disseminate statistical data. A data model is needed to allow for the publishing of statistical data in RDF. 15:12:14 <davidwood> ......characteristics include aggregate data, numerical data, time series and multi-dimensional data. 15:13:43 <davidwood> ...Governments have an incentive to collect and disseminate statistical data, so the data is often of high quality. The "sales process" of LOD is often easier with statistics people. 15:14:28 <davidwood> ...He presented an example of a data cube (regarding life expectancy). 15:15:47 <davidwood> ...The Data Cube vocabulary is used to model statistics in RDF. It is based on SDMX, an XML schema started in 2001. 15:16:39 <davidwood> ...SDMX covers more than data cubes, so only the core model was reused. 15:19:42 <Jeanne_> Jeanne_ has joined #gld 15:20:14 <davidwood> ...There is a draft specification. More tools are needed. There are several existing datasets, such as those by data.gov.uk, 2006 Irish census (2011 in progress)... 15:20:20 <Zakim> -martin 15:20:55 <davidwood> ....The Data Cube vocabulary is applicable for OLAP-style data warehouses. 15:21:07 <Zakim> +??P5 15:23:04 <BartvanLeeuwen> OT: meeting takes place in DC timezone right so 11:22 now ? 15:23:24 <gtw> yes 15:23:30 <davidwood> ...The SDMX Consortium has NOT been approached, which needs to happen before any standard is based on this work. A patent search has not yet occurred. 15:25:18 <davidwood> Kevin Merritt, Socrata, presented regarding data.gov's current status. 15:26:24 <davidwood> ...Socrata is intended to be a bridge between government agencies and the analysts, consumers that want it. 15:26:32 <davidwood> ...it is delivered as a cloud-based service. 15:26:38 <Zakim> -cygri 15:26:59 <davidwood> ...Also used by some state and local governments. 15:27:55 <davidwood> ...There are APIs for developers. 15:29:43 <davidwood> ...Agencies can publish their data and Socrata will federate into a common catalog. 15:29:55 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/webcam 15:30:46 <davidwood> Sandro: Remote attendees can now see the slides at the above URL. 15:35:01 <Ansgar_Scherp> slides are also linked from the W3C wiki page 15:35:17 <davidwood> Kevin Merritt: data federation in Socrata does not currently allow non-Socrata customers to federate their data. They are working toward that. 15:35:36 <Ansgar_Scherp> anyone knows details about the federation mechanism used at data.gov? 15:35:41 <davidwood> ...Their Linked Data support is currently "sprinkled in". 15:36:15 <Zakim> -??P5 15:37:50 <davidwood> ...They plan to have a RESTful interface to allow distributed update of a catalog to allow more agencies to play. They are interested in working with this WG to do this in a Linked Data way. 15:38:10 <tobo> Hello all, I have to rush off now, but will join you tomorrow. I'll be giving my talk tomorrow. 15:38:13 <Zakim> - +1.757.604.aaff 15:38:49 <tobo> tobo has left #gld 15:39:02 <davidwood> ...They are "not a Linked Data or Semantic Web company", but want their data to be linkable and expressible. 15:40:03 <sandro> kevin: I'm not the LD expert, but Greg Lockhart couldn't be here today 15:40:16 <BernadetteHyland> BernadetteHyland has joined #gld 15:40:54 <sandro> reck: MOU-driven, the problem is political more than technical 15:41:27 <sandro> kevin: decent is good, because folks want to control their own data, ESPECIALLY police depts. if they can control the release, they share more. 15:41:31 <Zakim> + +1.757.604.aamm 15:41:38 <ZachWhitley> ...They are "not a Linked Data or Semantic Web company" sounds like their marketing message. The question is why don't they feel comfortable marketing themselves as a Semantic Web Company? 15:41:46 <davidwood> David Wood volunteered to speak with Greg Lockhart about adding Linked Data support to Socrata. 15:41:57 <Yigal> Yigal has joined #gld 15:43:17 <Bernadette> Zach - I'll raise your question if you don't ... 15:43:24 <sandro> kevin: We use "transparency" as a calling card, to open the conversation, but then we help them see ways to save a lot of money sharing data better. 15:44:23 <sandro> davidw: My concern is that a lot of the data is in the 1-star category, where this group is about moving up the value chain, because at the 5 star level data can be combiined and repurposed. 15:45:13 <ZachWhitley> haha please do. It's probably easier for you to get the floor being there in person. 15:45:19 <sandro> ... We have a lot of agencies who publish as they were funded to do. That subset of data, done in support of particular program, is generally not in the form an analyst or consumer needs. So the LD approach is anwer questions the govt didnt presuppose. 15:45:44 <sandro> davidwood: I encourage your business to think about these benefits. 15:46:20 <sandro> kevin: I appreciate all that. We're a software company. We didnt start as prof. engagements. 15:47:22 <sandro> kevin: Most orgs will publish in a form that's not optimized for consumers. 15:48:17 <sandro> davidwood: 90% aligned, but I think you *should* care. 15:48:32 <sandro> kevin: We're looking for market driven reasons to support this. 15:48:56 <sandro> GeorgeS: Think of consumers, where your consumers are computers. 15:49:58 <sandro> rickm: Contra, there can be values to previously unknown relationships. BUT if we can't contemplate all the relationships, that is of course a concern for the agencies. This WG might have an important topic: explain that well, and still articulate that value, while not presenting a risk. 15:50:16 <sandro> rickm: eg info that is published separately, but which combines to form sec risk. 15:51:10 <Zakim> -??P0 15:51:19 <ZachWhitley> ZachWhitley has joined #gld 15:51:35 <ZachWhitley> Was trying to download some RDF from a socrata site and it crashed my browser 15:51:43 <davidwood> Todd Pehle, Orbis, presented re GIS data in a government setting with Linked Data. 15:52:11 <ZachWhitley> There was an option to download in RDF 15:53:51 <davidwood> ...Orbis focuses on location data on the cloud described using semantic approaches. 15:55:44 <davidwood> ...The key distinction between LOD geo data and earlier approaches is that we are now dealing with a worldwide database of distributed location information. 15:57:58 <davidwood> ..."Thus the lines between the SemWeb and the Geo Web could become blurry" 15:58:16 <sandro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_data_infrastructure 15:59:40 <sandro> "neogeography" 15:59:56 <sandro> (DIY mapping) 16:00:13 <davidwood> ...he proposes a lightweight government Linked locations approach. 16:01:05 <ZachWhitley> ZachWhitley has joined #gld 16:01:11 <davidwood> ..."citizen sensors", similar/related to openstreetmap.org? 16:01:14 <sandro> VGI -- Volunteered Geographic Information 16:01:25 <Zakim> +??P49 16:03:47 <davidwood> ...enthusiastic about GeoSPARQL. 16:05:00 <ZachWhitley> GeoD2RQ? 16:05:11 <davidwood> ...Need tools and best practices from this community and WG. 16:05:24 <ZachWhitley> Did I hear that right? he's talking quickly. 16:06:57 <davidwood> ZachWhitley, I heard him say D2RQ, but not GeoD2RQ... 16:07:16 <sandro> geosemantics wg at ogc 16:07:20 <ZachWhitley> I believe that geosparql has been integrated into ESRI's geoportal server 16:07:47 <ZachWhitley> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fproceedings.esri.com%2Flibrary%2Fuserconf%2Fdevsummit11%2Fpapers%2Ftech%2Fcreating_geoportals_using_the_esri_geoportal_server.pdf&ei=nk0LTqmtIpK5tgeR-rBv&usg=AFQjCNGX3FE7v2qwsvG0RjwxzB10VzaOwg&sig2=TkzoXHGjDYfLGvbQB6HMlw 16:08:25 <ZachWhitley> sorry about that http://proceedings.esri.com/library/userconf/devsummit11/papers/tech/creating_geoportals_using_the_esri_geoportal_server.pdf 16:10:37 <sandro> davidwood: cf Provenance WG, and Tom Heath 16:10:55 <sandro> Topic: Jeanne Holm presentation on Data.Gov 16:11:41 <davidwood> davidwood: See the w3 Provenance WG re event decisions about recording provenance in RDF. Also, see Tom Heath's NEAR data set. 16:12:15 <davidwood> Jeanne Holme, data.gov evangelist, presented next. 16:13:21 <davidwood> ...data.gov aimed at economy building, not just the publication of data. 16:13:56 <davidwood> ...trying to break down stovepipes; 156 agencies currently publishing on data.gov. 16:14:26 <davidwood> ...granted some agencies only publishing PDFs, but the first step is the hardest, 16:14:47 <cygri> cygri has joined #gld 16:17:19 <davidwood> ...data.gov site needs to serve many constituents, so sometimes you need to know where to go. 16:18:11 <davidwood> ...390,654 datasets available as of May 18, 2011, up from 47 two years earlier. 16:18:35 <davidwood> ...204m hits to data.gov, presumably total. 16:18:36 <Carlo> Carlo has joined #gld 16:19:09 <davidwood> ...Current focus on making it easier to find data. 16:19:41 <davidwood> ...One of the most popular data sets is the EPA's Toxic Release Inventory (TRI). 16:23:06 <davidwood> ...Working on developing and supporting "communities" that are driven by data. Trying to drive innovation and respond to emergent events (e.g. Haiti, fires, floods). 16:24:01 <sandro> jeanne: Hundreds of new data sets from folks who didnt think they had data to share until they started participating in our forums, where they learned what data people wanted. 16:27:31 <davidwood> ...Goal: make data accessible and Linked 5 star. 16:28:46 <davidwood> ...The communi 16:29:07 <davidwood> ...data.gov focuses on publishing and promoting. 16:29:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> does the charater discussion time is set ? 16:29:46 <sandro> (second webcam working now.... reload http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/webcam) 16:31:13 <Zakim> - +1.240.228.aabb 16:31:13 <gtw> ooh. much better latency on the new, small image 16:31:34 <sandro> Anne Washington 16:31:45 <Zakim> +??P30 16:32:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> in light of the agenda is the time for Charter discussion stil 14:15 ? ( then I'll be back after dinner here ) 16:32:37 <Zakim> - +1.303.773.aakk 16:32:43 <Zakim> -??P49 16:32:53 <sandro> gtw, there's a tradeoff in speed vs resolution. for the slides, I figure slow but hires is best. 16:33:03 <Zakim> - +49.721.aagg 16:33:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> since you said you gona reschedule 16:33:24 <Zakim> -??P30 16:33:29 <BartvanLeeuwen> Bernadette, I stil hear you 16:33:49 <Bernadette> Yes Bart, I think discussion of charter is warranted ... working on rejigging schedule in afternoon now. 16:33:50 <Zakim> -Jeanne 16:34:07 <BartvanLeeuwen> okay, then I'll be back for that after my dinner 16:34:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> I have some things I miss in there 16:34:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> I'm off this is my netage.nl 'office' time 16:34:44 <Zakim> -BartVanLeeuwen 16:34:47 <Zakim> - +49.261.287.aall 16:35:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> so I'll be back for that at 20:15 my time then 16:35:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> enjoy lunch ! 16:35:16 <Zakim> - +1.757.604.aamm 16:37:24 <Zakim> + +49.261.287.aann 16:37:41 <Zakim> - +49.261.287.aann 16:42:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 16:47:29 <bkaempgen> bkaempgen has joined #gld 17:03:44 <HadleyBeeman> I'm afraid I must be off for dinner— enjoy the afternoon, all. Speak to you in the morning! 17:11:47 <wbrafford> wbrafford has joined #gld 17:24:07 <Zakim> + +49.261.287.aaoo 17:39:30 <BernadetteHyland> BernadetteHyland has joined #gld 17:39:44 <BernadetteHyland> We are about to start the afternoon session for GLD F2F 17:41:49 <BernadetteHyland> please reload the wiki page for latest schedule changes. http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 17:42:33 <sandro> topic: Dave Smith, EPA 17:42:43 <raphael> raphael has joined #gld 17:43:02 <BernadetteHyland> Dave G. Smith from EPA on EPA Linked Data Directions 17:53:06 <Zakim> + +1.303.988.aapp 17:56:19 <BernadetteHyland> Next is Irene Polikoff from TopQuadrant on Linked Data Practices 17:56:36 <Zakim> +??P4 17:56:46 <BernadetteHyland> Her talk is about what she hopes this working group will accomplish. 17:56:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P4 is BartvanLeeuwen 17:56:57 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 18:02:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> url ? 18:02:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> nevermind had in history 18:04:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> sandro, I have a image now 18:05:32 <sandro> BartvanLeeuwen, you see two images, I hope. Big of slides, small of people. 18:05:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack <sandro> scribe: sandro 18:07:20 <sandro> Irene: Should folks be using owl:imports for Linked Data? 18:07:55 <sandro> Irene: What information should be returned for a resource? 18:08:19 <sandro> Irene: How to expess vocabulary and data mappings? 18:09:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> I assume that these questions are to be answered by this group right ? 18:10:20 <sandro> (yes, we'll at least try, or point people to solutions.) 18:10:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> I would be willing to participate in that part for best practices 18:11:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> I see that the charter items part is postponed to 14:45 right ? 18:11:46 <sandro> yes 18:11:50 <Yigal> Yigal has joined #gld 18:12:01 <BernadetteHyland> David Wood now speaking on Dave Wood, URI Design & PURLs. Please refresh wiki to get URL for presentation 18:12:36 <Zakim> - +1.303.988.aapp 18:12:44 <Zakim> + +1.303.773.aaqq 18:15:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 18:15:48 <sandro> (notes about URI opacity) 18:16:45 <sandro> IMHO URI Opacity is like API opacity -- it's about one module talking to another module only through the documented interface 18:19:13 <Yigal_> Yigal_ has joined #gld 18:22:17 <Yigal_> Yigal_ has left #gld 18:22:55 <Yigal> Yigal has joined #gld 18:22:56 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteHyland, can I write a comment on the charter here before I leave ? 18:25:51 <sandro> sure. 18:26:26 <sandro> davidwood: use "natural keys" in building URIs -- Rob Styles 18:27:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> okay, I miss 2 Items in the charter, somewhat closely related 18:28:12 <Zakim> + +1.240.228.aarr 18:28:36 <sandro> cory: If you put data in URIs, you get into trouble. 18:29:47 <BartvanLeeuwen> 1) Standard Vocabularies area: Events: a standard way to describe events that happen ,are planned or happend in the past 18:29:50 <sandro> davidwood: It's okay to use opaque strings, I wouldnt blame you ... but these are nice, and if they are socially wrong, the software doesn't break (because it's treated as opaque). 18:31:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> this way it would be possible to correlate the relation between various events in various organizations 18:31:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> for my work I used e.g.: http://semanticweb.cs.vu.nl/2009/11/sem/ 18:32:08 <raphael> raphael has joined #gld 18:32:25 <sandro> BartvanLeeuwen, it's too late to add something to the scope. So, keep that in mind for the next round, if this goes well..... No question, events are important. We just had to start somewhere for this group, and not bite off too much. 18:32:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> k, too bad 18:33:27 <sandro> There may be other vocab dev efforts at W3C soon that could tackle events, too. Not sure how gov-centric it needs to be. 18:33:33 <BernadetteHyland> Next up is Greg Williams, RDF Converter URIs and International Catalog 18:34:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> off now back tommorow 18:34:41 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen 18:34:49 <Ansgar_Scherp> Events and places need each other, thus I liked that Todd mentioned them 18:34:57 <sandro> Take care, Bart. 18:36:45 <raphael_> raphael_ has joined #gld 18:37:17 <raphael_> LODE is a vocabulary for representing Linked Descriptions of Events, see http://linkedevents.org/ontology/ 18:38:16 <raphael_> LODE has been recently adopted by the UK Archives hub, http://data.archiveshub.ac.uk/ 18:38:52 <sandro> raphael, Bart (who was asking about that) just left.... 18:52:56 <sandro> irene: I don't think getting data into RDF is *instead* of modeling. 18:53:10 <sandro> bern: Well, some people triplify their data and its still flat. 18:54:06 <sandro> bobd: Once it's XML, you can use XSLT to clean it up. Once it's triples, you can use SPARQL, etc, to clean it up. 18:54:30 <sandro> davidwood: RDF is doing research. There's no limit to how much we can figure out how better to do this. 18:54:54 <sandro> gtw: We don't necessarily step over modeling, we just allow it. 18:56:59 <sandro> topic: Bob DuCharme 18:57:08 <BernadetteHyland> Now on deck is Bob DuCharme on SKOS. He recently authored the O'Reilly publication "SPARQL" 18:57:28 <sandro> bobd: best practice 2 and 6 (legacy data) motivate our use of skos 18:59:34 <raphael> raphael has joined #gld 18:59:48 <BernadetteHyland> To people with library science experience, using SKOS makes Linked Data much more approachable. First, controlled vocabularies, then taxonomies, thesauri and ontologies. 19:02:02 <Zakim> - +1.303.773.aaqq 19:03:05 <sandro> bobd: Get by with just: prefLabel, broader, definition 19:03:30 <sandro> bobd: also altLabel, related, note 19:03:53 <Zakim> +??P0 19:04:49 <BernadetteHyland> Bob DuCharme: signature quote, "SKOS gives you 90-95% of what you need to get started with Linked Data, and it is very easy to add the last 5-10%" 19:11:46 <Zakim> - +1.240.228.aarr 19:13:21 <sandro> topic: Add Some Info About Yourself To The WIki 19:15:57 <Ansgar_Scherp2> Ansgar_Scherp2 has joined #gld 19:18:06 <Zakim> -??P0 19:19:30 <Zakim> - +49.261.287.aaoo 19:21:53 <sandro> topic: Charter Discussion 19:22:16 <raphael> raphael has joined #gld 19:22:24 <sandro> Bern: looking at people taking ownership of deliverables 19:23:04 <BernadetteHyland> Cory: Working on Vocabulary Management catalog effort for Data Architecture Subcommitee for USG CIO Counsel. 19:23:37 <BernadetteHyland> Cory: W3C has more capacity to publish a standard than CIO DAS group. 19:28:44 <sandro> bern: controlled vocab for size. 19:29:59 <sandro> size, years in business, contact info, website, ... 19:30:34 <sandro> irene: focus on expertise in this area -- have you done projects in this area, how many, what size, how many people trained in this. 19:31:39 <sandro> pend: You'll want to know what contract vehicles are available 19:32:07 <sandro> bern: Need inptuts from EU/UK on this, at least. 19:32:39 <sandro> bern: What's important to know about deployments? 19:32:50 <sandro> bern: Ernie? 19:33:05 <Zakim> + +49.261.287.aass 19:33:23 <sandro> bern: Sometimes we have leave out our company name. 19:33:31 <sandro> davidwood: primes hiding their subs 19:34:04 <sandro> irene: how many users, how long has it been in production, ... 19:35:18 <sandro> sandro: Can 3rd parties enter the info? 19:35:28 <sandro> .. if the agency doesnt want to 19:36:01 <sandro> gt: Generally, yes, we can fill out the form about a particular project. 19:36:30 <sandro> ernie: People may not want to advertise budget 19:36:38 <sandro> cory: $50m for 5 users, etc. 19:36:55 <sandro> bern: spending.gov 19:37:31 <sandro> gt: CCR example is a good angle on dogfood. Increasing visbility of fee-for-service = happy 19:37:53 <sandro> chrism: Answer the incentive quesiton why folks would add to this. 19:38:09 <sandro> bern: simple, small is beautiful. eg "1 project happening at HHS" 19:38:45 <sandro> sandro: maybe keep it very simple, --- contact, title, domain 19:38:47 <Ansgar_Scherp> usaspending.com? 19:39:05 <sandro> gt: ask if they made uris, used OWL, .... 19:39:17 <sandro> davidwood: ask for the URIs they minted! 19:39:46 <sandro> folks dont want to be the first or the last 19:40:14 <sandro> irene: It used to seem govt was on the leading edge here, but now it's falling behind, maybe? 19:41:53 <sandro> sandro: ask how many stars they get, or the questions that lead to the stars. 19:42:17 <sandro> cory: Do we want to have discussion/feedback area? 19:42:51 <sandro> gt: Let's reduce changes to game the system. 19:43:11 <sandro> ernie: can't just ask one company to come in and talk -- level playing field. 19:43:24 <sandro> bern: directory isn't just w3c members. 19:45:54 <sandro> cory: vendor can list their projects 19:47:13 <BernadetteHyland> Dave Wood:It is easier to respond to abuse than to over engineer from the onset. 19:47:59 <sandro> sandro: CTIC directory of gov data uses journalistic coverage as sources, I believe. 19:48:14 <BernadetteHyland> Bernadette: Suggest we have a current version of SWEO public use cases for deployments. 19:48:58 <sandro> model on http://www.w3.org/2001/sweo/public/UseCases 19:49:33 <sandro> irene: goal? 19:49:53 <sandro> bern: folks playing with it want to take the next step 19:51:09 <sandro> sandro: for finding out who should be in group and review our deliverables 19:51:24 <sandro> bobd: also for journalists and bloggers 19:51:54 <sandro> gt: Also for procurement. If none of their current contractors do this stuff, they might conclude no one does that stuff. 19:51:57 <raphael> raphael has joined #gld 19:52:12 <sandro> dwood: So what kind of info, within an agency would help you? 19:52:45 <sandro> gt: as in UseCases page, "SW technolgoies used" -- tied in with Procurement deliverable 19:53:19 <sandro> (something better than mailing email@example.com) 19:53:37 <sandro> cory: They only need to know who to send the RFP to. 19:54:23 <sandro> bern: veteran owned, small business, woman owned, etc. 19:55:20 <sandro> tina: Also for folks making the argument to management? I know vocabs is diff in the charter, but ... eg LoC looking at things done with law... so index by app domain. 19:55:45 <sandro> irene: govt only? there is eg WestLaw. 19:56:12 <sandro> tina: LoC expects their stuff to be used by WestLaw, Lexis-Nexis. 19:57:12 <sandro> bern: we heard LoC had a pro-open-source policy. "do you provide commercial support" "is there a floss version" 19:57:14 <raphael> raphael has joined #gld 19:58:42 <sandro> davidw: It might make sense to have Deployments broken out into a site like the /UseCases site. 19:59:27 <sandro> sandro: some will be very short. 19:59:50 <sandro> sandro: I just dont want to set a high bar for use cases. 19:59:58 <sandro> gt: One Pager is VERY popular. 20:00:16 <sandro> sandro: your limit is 3 triples, and no literals. 20:03:12 <sandro> ACTION: Brafford to draft wiki page from F2F1 discussion about community directory 20:04:02 <JeremyCarroll> JeremyCarroll has joined #gld 20:13:28 <Zakim> + +1.303.773.aatt 20:16:12 <Zakim> - +1.303.773.aatt 20:24:24 <gtw> Zakim, who is here? 20:24:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, +49.261.287.aass 20:24:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, Ansgar_Scherp2, Yigal, BernadetteHyland, wbrafford, bkaempgen, cygri, DruidSmith, CoryCasanave, Zakim, RRSAgent, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot 20:39:32 <Zakim> - +1.703.292.aaaa 20:39:48 <Zakim> - +49.261.287.aass 20:39:49 <Zakim> SW_e-Gov(GLDWG)8:00AM has ended 20:39:51 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.703.292.aaaa, +1.240.228.aabb, +49.721.aacc, +1.303.773.aadd, +44.776.871.aaee, +1.757.604.aaff, Jeanne, martin, +1.202.409.aahh, +49.261.287.aaii, HadleyBeeman, 20:39:56 <Zakim> ... cygri, bkaempgen, BartVanLeeuwen, +1.303.773.aakk, +49.261.287.aall, +1.757.604.aamm, +49.261.287.aann, +49.261.287.aaoo, +1.303.988.aapp, +1.303.773.aaqq, +1.240.228.aarr, 20:39:59 <Zakim> ... +49.261.287.aass, +1.303.773.aatt 20:42:28 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer? 20:42:28 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-gld-irc#T20-42-28 20:52:39 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 21:35:59 <cygri> cygri has joined #gld 22:35:41 <Zakim> Zakim has left #gld # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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