IRC log of mediafrag on 2011-12-21

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Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG

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Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 21 December 2011

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Chair: Erik, Raphael

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0027.html

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

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+ +33.4.93.00.aaaa

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Present: Raphael

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Present+ Davy

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Present+ Erik

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+ +329331aabb

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Regrets: Thomas

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Topic: 1. ADMIN

10:05:41 [raphael]

Erik: only 3 of us, but let's close some actions

10:05:55 [doublec]

I'm here on IRC

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Present+ Chris double

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Scribe: Raphael

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Scribenick: raphael

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PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-mediafrag-minutes.html

10:06:24 [dvdeurse]

+1

10:06:26 [raphael]

Erik: we are not that many

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+1

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+1

10:06:38 [doublec]

+1

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Erik: no objection, minutes approved

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Topic: 2. SPEC

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ACTION-249?

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ACTION-249 -- Raphaël Troncy to tidy up the spec before December 24th -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/249

10:07:37 [raphael]

Raphael: I will have tidy up the document before next week telecon

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Erik: 2 new email threads

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... 1/ rounding spatial fragments

10:08:23 [dvdeurse]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0015.html

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Raphael: is there some concrete text proposal to replace?

10:10:15 [dvdeurse]

we add it here: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#valid-uri-spatial

10:10:27 [dvdeurse]

s/we add/we could add

10:13:13 [raphael]

Raphael: section 6.1.2 seems indeed the right place to clarify how rounding should occur

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... we need a concrete text suggestion to put here

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Erik: should we ask Silvia / Philip ?

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

10:16:06 [silvia]

what rounding?

10:17:02 [silvia]

ah I guess these values have to be integers: a/w*100,b/h*100,c/w*100,d/h*100

10:17:33 [raphael]

Silvia, we are talking about the thread of Philip, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0015.html

10:18:02 [silvia]

foolip suggested rounding outwards, and I agree

10:18:55 [silvia]

raphael, I was talking about that, too, and in the place that dvdeurse suggested, which I agree with

10:20:38 [silvia]

so it should be: floor(a/w*100), floor(b/h*100), ceil(c/w*100), ceil(d/h*100)

10:20:56 [raphael]

Erik: I will email Philip to ask him for a concrete text proposal to go into section 6.1.2

10:21:34 [raphael]

Raphael: yes Silvia, but we need some text to explain the issue to the reader, we cannot put just this sentence

10:22:11 [silvia]

no, we can just replace what's there with these values

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Erik: other issue, BNF-syntax on wall-clock, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0000.html

10:22:31 [silvia]

xywh=percent:a,b,c,d with a+c <= 100, b+d <= 100: the UA displays a spatial fragment with coordinates (in pixel xywh format) a/w*100,b/h*100,c/w*100,d/h*100 (the normal percent case).

10:22:37 [silvia]

^ it's in this text line

10:24:14 [raphael]

ok, thanks Silvia !

10:24:37 [erik]

agree with Silvia :)

10:24:54 [raphael]

ACTION: Raphael to change in section 6.1.2 the last valid spatial fragment with the text suggested by Silvia/Philip

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Created ACTION-252 - Change in section 6.1.2 the last valid spatial fragment with the text suggested by Silvia/Philip [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-12-28].

10:27:19 [raphael]

ACTION: Raphael to update the section 4.2.1.3 (Wall Clock time code) with the concrete proposal from Christoph at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0000.html

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Created ACTION-253 - Update the section 4.2.1.3 (Wall Clock time code) with the concrete proposal from Christoph at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0000.html [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-12-28].

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Topic: 3. TEST CASES AND IMPLEMENTATIONS

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ACTION-250?

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ACTION-250 -- Davy Van Deursen to tidy up the implementation report before December 24th -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/250

10:28:09 [raphael]

Done ... section headings have been changed

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close ACTION-250

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ACTION-250 Tidy up the implementation report before December 24th closed

10:28:52 [raphael]

Raphael: should we put in this document that we have also "producer" of media fragments?

10:29:36 [raphael]

Erik: should we point to mediafragments.org or the wiki page?

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Raphael: add a sentence or a ref somewhere?

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Davy: ok I will do that

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ACTION-245?

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ACTION-245 -- Raphaël Troncy to clarify whether Dailymotion will provide an implementation or not -- due 2011-12-07 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/245

10:30:33 [raphael]

ACTION: davy to complete the implementation report mentioning the other type of implementations

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Created ACTION-254 - Complete the implementation report mentioning the other type of implementations [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2011-12-28].

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close ACTION-245

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ACTION-245 Clarify whether Dailymotion will provide an implementation or not closed

10:31:43 [raphael]

Raphael: we will not get an implementation report on time regarding Dailymotion implementation

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... but we will follow up this important implementation for the showcase portal

10:32:34 [silvia]

why does Dailymotion's implementation count?

10:32:43 [silvia]

they are not even using the same syntax

10:32:48 [raphael]

Raphael: it does not Silvia

10:32:57 [silvia]

ok, cool

10:33:01 [raphael]

... I think you haven't followed the thread ...

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because otherwise YouTube might have counted, too

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... they will change the syntax to be compliant

10:33:22 [silvia]

just saying that right now they are not

10:33:37 [raphael]

... if YouTube changes its syntax, and passes the test cases, they will count :-)

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... this is what we are saying

10:34:15 [raphael]

Raphael: announcement, Noterik in NL is also implementing Media Fragments URI ... a first product available in Feb 2012

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ACTION-251?

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ACTION-251 -- Erik Mannens to contact the Europeana developers to check the feasibility of having a new implementation report -- due 2011-12-14 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/251

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close ACTION-251

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ACTION-251 Contact the Europeana developers to check the feasibility of having a new implementation report closed

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See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0026.html

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Topic: 4. UPDATE ACTION LIST

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ACTION-240?

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ACTION-240 -- Raphaël Troncy to create a first draft of this page on the wiki before designing the web site -- due 2011-10-12 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/240

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close ACTION-240

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ACTION-240 Create a first draft of this page on the wiki before designing the web site closed

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See http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Showcase

10:36:27 [raphael]

Raphael: we should really edit this page and complete it as soon as we come across a new implementation

10:36:37 [erik]

+1

10:36:42 [raphael]

@Silvia, if you hear about something, could you please edit this page too?

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

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Topic: 5. AOB

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none

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meeting adjourned

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-raphael

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-Erik

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

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Attendees were +33.4.93.00.aaaa, raphael, +329331aabb, Erik, Davy

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

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zakim, bye

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Raphael to change in section 6.1.2 the last valid spatial fragment with the text suggested by Silvia/Philip [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-irc#T10-24-54

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ACTION: Raphael to update the section 4.2.1.3 (Wall Clock time code) with the concrete proposal from Christoph at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Dec/0000.html [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-irc#T10-27-19

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ACTION: davy to complete the implementation report mentioning the other type of implementations [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/21-mediafrag-irc#T10-30-33