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16:38:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7322733
16:38:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 22 minutes
16:38:38 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:38:38 <trackbot> Date: 20 December 2011
16:38:45 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Dec/0100.html
16:38:48 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
16:39:12 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Souri
16:39:32 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Percy
16:40:11 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Joerg
16:41:18 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:41:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:41:24 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:56:58 <mhausenblas> Zakim, this will be SW_RDB2RDF
16:56:58 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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16:59:52 <mhausenblas> Zakim, code?
16:59:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), mhausenblas
17:00:06 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
17:00:07 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa
17:00:13 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is me
17:00:13 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
17:00:20 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
17:00:43 <Zakim> + +49.133.6.aabb
17:00:43 <Zakim> - +49.133.6.aabb
17:00:43 <Zakim> + +49.133.6.aabb
17:00:57 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is boris
17:00:57 <Zakim> +boris; got it
17:01:04 <mhausenblas> present+ Boris
17:01:04 <boris> thanks michael
17:01:12 <Marcelo> Marcelo has joined #rdb2rdf
17:01:24 <Zakim> + +575737aacc
17:01:31 <juansequeda> Zakim, aacc is me
17:01:31 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it
17:01:37 <mhausenblas> present+ Juan
17:01:57 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas 
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17:02:43 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin
17:03:11 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
17:03:25 <Seema> Zakim, aadd is me
17:03:25 <Zakim> +Seema; got it
17:03:26 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aadd is Seema 
17:03:27 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
17:03:30 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
17:03:33 <mhausenblas> present+ Seema
17:03:37 <mhausenblas> present+ Ashok
17:03:47 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:03:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:04:34 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/12/13-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
17:04:44 <juansequeda> +1
17:04:45 <boris> +1
17:04:48 <Ashok> +1
17:04:55 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/12/13-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
17:05:09 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: cancel telecons on 27 Dec and 3 Jan
17:05:11 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aaee
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17:05:24 <MacTed> Zakim, aaee is OpenLink_Software
17:05:24 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
17:05:25 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaee is MacTed 
17:05:26 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee'
17:05:31 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
17:05:31 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
17:05:34 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
17:05:34 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
17:05:39 <Zakim> + +1.314.394.aaff
17:05:39 <mhausenblas> present+ Ted
17:05:48 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaff is dmcneil 
17:05:48 <Zakim> +dmcneil; got it
17:05:52 <mhausenblas> present+ David
17:06:22 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: cancel telecons on 27 Dec and 3 Jan
17:06:28 <boris> +1
17:06:32 <Seema> +1
17:06:39 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION:  cancel telecons on 27 Dec and 3 Jan
17:07:03 <Zakim> +Eric
17:07:11 <mhausenblas> present+ Eric
17:07:20 <mhausenblas> Michael: Pat has requested to leave the WG
17:08:18 <mhausenblas> Michael: Thanks Eric for taking care of this
17:08:39 <mhausenblas> present+ Richard
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17:08:47 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
17:08:47 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
17:08:57 <mhausenblas> Topic: ISSUE-72 - Bring back R2RML lookup tables
17:09:09 <Ashok> q+
17:09:10 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-72?
17:09:10 <trackbot> ISSUE-72 -- Bring back R2RML lookup tables -- open
17:09:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/72
17:09:15 <mhausenblas> ack Ashok 
17:09:17 <Zakim> + +1.562.714.aagg
17:09:31 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aagg is Marcelo 
17:09:31 <Zakim> +Marcelo; got it
17:09:36 <mhausenblas> present+ Marcelo
17:09:51 <mhausenblas> Ashok: As per David's suggestion, let's close it
17:10:01 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:10:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:10:59 <mhausenblas> Ashok: Related discussion with Kingsley re doing this with SQL views
17:11:15 <mhausenblas> ... or use SKOS
17:11:44 <mhausenblas> ... which is great but should be postponed for R2RML 1.1
17:11:56 <mhausenblas> ... suggest to incl. examples using SQL views in the spec
17:11:58 <mhausenblas> q?
17:12:20 <MacTed> hm.  issue 72 says "ACTION-170 on Richard Cyganiak to Draft a compromise translation table design for ISSUE-72 - due 2011-11-19, closed"
17:12:20 <MacTed> but no link to the draft in either issue or http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/170
17:12:43 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
17:12:43 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
17:12:46 <mhausenblas> Juan: IMO this wouldn't work for MySQL
17:12:48 <MacTed> q+
17:13:04 <mhausenblas> s/this/ SQL views
17:13:12 <mhausenblas> ack MacTed 
17:13:30 <mhausenblas> Ted: SQL view and sub-query are not the same
17:13:40 <mhausenblas> ... might not work in an optimal way
17:13:44 <cygri> q+ to ask if ashok meant R2RML views when he said SQL views
17:13:50 <mhausenblas> q?
17:14:34 <mhausenblas> Ted: So far we've tried to avoid to get too deep into the SQL space, so maybe not incl. examples for this?
17:14:38 <mhausenblas> q?
17:14:41 <Seema> q+
17:14:46 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
17:14:46 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask if ashok meant R2RML views when he said SQL views
17:14:51 <mhausenblas> q?
17:15:10 <mhausenblas> Richard: Ashok did you mean SQL views or R2RML views?
17:15:18 <mhausenblas> Ashok: using SQL views, that is
17:15:43 <mhausenblas> Richard: I see, thanks
17:16:12 <cygri> ack me
17:16:24 <mhausenblas> s/using SQL views/should be using R2RML views
17:17:03 <mhausenblas> Ashok: Additionally, I'm really interested in adding the SKOS part but should be better addressed in R2RML 1.1
17:17:41 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-72 with not action. Add an example using an R2RML view.
17:17:57 <Ashok> s/not/no/
17:18:01 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-72 with no action. Add an example using an R2RML view.
17:18:29 <mhausenblas> q?
17:18:39 <mhausenblas> ack Seema
17:18:50 <mhausenblas> Seema: has already been addressed earlier
17:20:03 <mhausenblas> Richard: Concerning the performance - if the mappings are in there declaratively then optimising is easier (using an index)
17:20:28 <mhausenblas> q?
17:20:30 <juansequeda> q+
17:20:56 <mhausenblas> Richard: Dunno which DB optimise this
17:20:59 <mhausenblas> ack juansequeda 
17:21:23 <mhausenblas> Juan: Ted mentioned this already - we don't go in there, re optimisation
17:21:59 <mhausenblas> Ted: That's the trade-off, yes
17:23:12 <mhausenblas> q?
17:23:52 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-72 with no action. Add an example using an R2RML view and add a note concerning optimisation strategy.
17:24:15 <Seema> q+
17:24:24 <mhausenblas> ack Seema 
17:24:28 <dmcneil> i don't think the note is necessary
17:24:48 <mhausenblas> Seema: It's an implementation issue so no need to add the optimisation strategy 
17:24:49 <mhausenblas> q?
17:24:54 <cygri> seema++
17:24:58 <boris> +1 to Seema
17:25:04 <juansequeda> +1 to seema
17:25:07 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-72 with no action. Add an example using an R2RML view.
17:25:16 <cygri> -0
17:25:38 <Seema> +1
17:25:57 <juansequeda> +1
17:25:59 <boris> +1
17:26:00 <MacTed> +1
17:26:06 <Marcelo> +1
17:26:13 <dmcneil> +1
17:26:17 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-72 with no action. Add an example using an R2RML view.
17:26:47 <mhausenblas> Topic: ISSUE-57 -  r2rml-document-syntax
17:26:51 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-57?
17:26:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-57 -- R2RML doesn't allow R2RML documents in RDF/XML syntax -- open
17:26:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/57
17:26:54 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to imlpement ISSUE-72 resolution by adding translation table example expressed asR2RML view
17:26:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-180 - Imlpement ISSUE-72 resolution by adding translation table example expressed asR2RML view [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-12-27].
17:27:35 <mhausenblas> Ashok: Have been talking to people in the RDF world, seems that Turtle is an widely accepted syntax
17:27:46 <Ashok> §1 An R2RML processor is a system that, given an R2RML mapping and an input database, provides access to the output dataset.  §2 An RDF graph that represents an R2RML mapping is called an R2RML mapping graph.
17:27:59 <Ashok> §3 An R2RML mapping document is any document written in the Turtle [TURTLE] RDF syntax that encodes an R2RML mapping graph.  §4 A conforming R2RML processor MUST accept R2RML mapping documents in Turtle syntax. It MAY accept R2RML mapping graphs encoded in other RDF syntaxes.
17:28:05 <mhausenblas> Ashok: Suggest to follow Richard's proposal from above
17:28:26 <Seema> q+
17:28:28 <cygri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Dec/0078.html
17:29:04 <mhausenblas> ack Seema 
17:29:33 <mhausenblas> Seema: All but 4 seems ok to us
17:30:00 <mhausenblas> Ted: can we change the MUST in 4 to a SHOULD?
17:30:12 <cygri> SHOULD   This word, or the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that there
17:30:13 <cygri>    may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a
17:30:14 <cygri>    particular item, but the full implications must be understood and
17:30:14 <cygri>    carefully weighed before choosing a different course.
17:30:19 <cygri> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt
17:30:37 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-57 with : [[
17:30:38 <mhausenblas> §1 An R2RML processor is a system that, given an R2RML mapping and an input database, provides access to the output dataset.
17:30:38 <mhausenblas> §2 An RDF graph that represents an R2RML mapping is called an R2RML mapping graph.
17:30:38 <mhausenblas> §3 An R2RML mapping document is any document written in the Turtle [TURTLE] RDF syntax that encodes an R2RML mapping graph.
17:30:39 <mhausenblas> §4 A conforming R2RML processor SHOULD accept R2RML mapping documents in Turtle syntax. It MAY accept R2RML mapping graphs encoded in other RDF syntaxes.
17:30:42 <mhausenblas> ]]
17:30:48 <cygri> +1
17:30:51 <MacTed> +1
17:30:56 <boris> +1
17:31:09 <Seema> +1
17:31:39 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-57 with: [[
17:31:39 <mhausenblas> §1 An R2RML processor is a system that, given an R2RML mapping and an input database, provides access to the output dataset.
17:31:39 <mhausenblas> §2 An RDF graph that represents an R2RML mapping is called an R2RML mapping graph.
17:31:40 <mhausenblas> §3 An R2RML mapping document is any document written in the Turtle [TURTLE] RDF syntax that encodes an R2RML mapping graph.
17:31:40 <mhausenblas> §4 A conforming R2RML processor SHOULD accept R2RML mapping documents in Turtle syntax. It MAY accept R2RML mapping graphs encoded in other RDF syntaxes.
17:31:42 <mhausenblas> ]]
17:32:05 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to implement ISSUE-57 resolution
17:32:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-181 - Implement ISSUE-57 resolution [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-12-27].
17:32:18 <mhausenblas> Topic: ISSUE-68 - Multiple PredicateMaps in a PredicateObjectMap
17:32:24 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-68?
17:32:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-68 -- Multiple PredicateMaps in a PredicateObjectMap -- open
17:32:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/68
17:32:55 <mhausenblas> Ashok: I guess we need Souri for this as well
17:33:00 <mhausenblas> Michael: I agree
17:33:33 <mhausenblas> ... encourage the involved parties to continue over email during the holidays ;)
17:33:44 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/open
17:33:53 <mhausenblas> Topic: Other open issues
17:34:05 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-52?
17:34:05 <trackbot> ISSUE-52 -- Extended example in the test cases document -- open
17:34:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/52
17:35:25 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-52 without further action (has been addressed already, admin SNAFU)
17:35:33 <MacTed> +1
17:35:36 <boris> +1
17:35:52 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-52 without further action
17:36:27 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-53?
17:36:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-53 -- RDFS vocabulary reference for R2RML, and namespace document -- open
17:36:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/53
17:37:27 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-53 as it has been already addressed
17:37:34 <MacTed> +1
17:37:37 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:37:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:37:39 <boris> +1
17:37:59 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-53 as it has been already addressed
17:38:15 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-73?
17:38:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-73 -- Section 11 cleanup -- open
17:38:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/73
17:39:05 <mhausenblas> Richard: will automatically be resolved with ISSUE-68
17:39:18 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-78?
17:39:19 <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Minor bug in namespace document -- open
17:39:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/78
17:40:38 <Zakim> -juansequeda
17:41:21 <mhausenblas> Richard: also have a look at pending review issues, see https://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/pendingreview
17:41:30 <mhausenblas> Michael: I agree, yes
17:41:39 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-70?
17:41:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-70 -- Behaviour of fully qualified column names in rr:sqlQuery -- pending review
17:41:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/70
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17:46:46 <mhausenblas> Michael: Happy to close ISSUE-75 as an resolution exists, however 70 and 71 do not have a formal resolution, yet
17:47:11 <mhausenblas> ... hence I'd like to see them in the OPEN state and get a resolution either via the mailing list or in the next telecon
17:48:23 <mhausenblas> (Richard explains status)
17:48:30 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:48:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:49:07 <cygri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-comments/2011Nov/0022.html
17:50:26 <mhausenblas> Richard: Has been sent over the comments-list only, seems not been picked up by tracker
17:51:06 <mhausenblas> Michael: David, what is your POV on the issues 70 and 71?
17:51:31 <mhausenblas> David: Wanted to review entire document, can't recall details re these two issues
17:51:48 <mhausenblas> ... will come back to these issues as well
17:52:07 <mhausenblas> Topic: AOB
17:52:12 <MacTed> cygri - would you please add links to the relevant comments-list messages, to those issues?  perfect world, post that linkage via main list email
17:52:57 <mhausenblas> Ashok: On next telecon, which will take place on 10 Jan 2012 we should focus on CR phase planning
17:53:16 <mhausenblas> Michael: Agree and will prepare a draft on the Wiki for this
17:53:38 <Zakim> -dmcneil
17:53:45 <Zakim> -Seema
17:53:58 <Zakim> -boris
17:53:58 <mhausenblas> Michael: Thanks everyone, excellent work and looking forward to REC in (early) 2012!
17:54:06 <mhausenblas> (meeting adjourned)
17:54:11 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:54:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:54:26 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
17:54:38 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to email the group summarizing ISSUE-68 position
17:54:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Email the group summarizing ISSUE-68 position [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-12-27].
17:54:42 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/LC/
17:56:28 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:58:27 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
18:02:39 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end meeting
18:02:39 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:02:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +3539149aaaa, mhausenblas, +49.133.6.aabb, boris, +575737aacc, juansequeda, +1.603.897.aadd, Seema, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.781.273.aaee,
18:02:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html trackbot
18:02:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:02:41 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-actions.rdf :
18:02:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cygri to imlpement ISSUE-72 resolution by adding translation table example expressed asR2RML view [1]
18:02:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-irc#T17-26-54
18:02:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cygri to implement ISSUE-57 resolution [2]
18:02:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-irc#T17-32-05
18:02:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cygri to email the group summarizing ISSUE-68 position [3]
18:02:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/20-RDB2RDF-irc#T17-54-38
18:02:43 <Zakim> ... MacTed, +1.314.394.aaff, dmcneil, Eric, cygri, +1.562.714.aagg, Marcelo