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15:56:16 Zakim, this will be 2119
15:56:16 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:56:17 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:56:17 Date: 01 December 2011
15:56:35 zakim, who's here?
15:56:37 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has not yet started, JF
15:56:40 On IRC I see RRSAgent, davidb, JF, MikeSmith, [tm], Zakim, trackbot
15:56:58 Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
15:57:00 agenda+ Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage
15:57:02 agenda+ review some RESOLVED/NEEDSINFO LC a11y bugs: http://goo.gl/J7WnX
15:57:03 agenda+ Other Business
15:57:05 agenda+ Identify Scribe for 08 December
15:57:49 scribe: JF
15:59:13 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started
15:59:19 +John_Foliot
15:59:24 zakim, remove agendum5
15:59:25 I don't understand 'remove agendum5', JF
15:59:39 zakim, remove agendum 5
15:59:39 agendum 5, Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage, dropped
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15:59:50 zakim, remove agendum 6
15:59:50 agendum 6, review some RESOLVED/NEEDSINFO LC a11y bugs: http://goo.gl/J7WnX, dropped
16:00:06 zakim, reomve agendum 7
16:00:06 I don't understand 'reomve agendum 7', JF
16:00:14 zakim, remove agendum 7
16:00:14 agendum 7, Other Business, dropped
16:00:25 zakim, remove agendum 8
16:00:26 agendum 8, Identify Scribe for 08 December, dropped
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16:00:34 +Rich
16:01:16 +??P37
16:01:24 zakim, ??P37 is Janina_Sajka
16:01:30 +Janina_Sajka; got it
16:03:37 zakim, agenda?
16:03:37 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
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16:03:42 2. Other Business [from MichaelC]
16:03:47 3. Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from MichaelC]
16:03:49 4. Identify Scribe for 1 December http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from MichaelC]
16:05:06 zakim, drop item 2
16:05:14 agendum 2, Other Business, dropped
16:05:23 zakim, remove item 3
16:05:28 agendum 3, Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open, dropped
16:05:34 zakim, remove item 4
16:05:40 agendum 4, Identify Scribe for 1 December http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, dropped
16:05:49 Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
16:05:51 agenda+ Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage
16:05:53 agenda+ review some RESOLVED/NEEDSINFO LC a11y bugs: http://goo.gl/J7WnX
16:05:54 agenda+ Other Business
16:05:56 agenda+ Identify Scribe for 08 December
16:06:28 zakim, agenda?
16:06:32 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:06:34 9. Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage [from JF]
16:06:36 10. review some RESOLVED/NEEDSINFO LC a11y bugs: http://goo.gl/J7WnX [from JF]
16:06:38 11. Other Business [from JF]
16:06:40 12. Identify Scribe for 08 December [from JF]
16:08:08 zakim, who's on the phone?
16:08:08 On the phone I see John_Foliot, Rich, Janina_Sajka
16:08:18 Zakim, call Mike
16:08:18 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:08:20 +Mike
16:09:33 so it seems that if we don't have quorum we may not do a formal call today
16:09:39 Yes
16:12:57 +Cynthia_Shelly
16:14:18 +Judy
16:14:35 zakim, take up next item
16:14:35 agendum 9. "Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage" taken up [from JF]
16:14:52 RS; Canvas update
16:15:01 meeting with Microsoft and Moz
16:15:11 decide to leave Drafocus Ring as is
16:15:37 Judy has joined #html-a11y
16:15:45 will reopen issue 131 and hope to have a new proposal in within the next week +/-
16:16:03 s/Drafocus Ring/DrawFocusRing
16:16:33 will add text base line property - appears uncontroversial
16:17:43 Frank Olivier will write a proposal for hit testing and element bounds
16:18:08 will be a modified version of what Rich brought to TPAC
16:19:55 RS: this allows us to tell browser vendors to implement DrawFocusRing
16:22:56 MS: there is now an additional developer at Moz, who implemented support for ABBR in table cells in Moz
16:24:34 RS: next calendar year will be working with Moz, IA Squared and Freedom Scientific on a lot of HTML5/a11y issues
16:26:06 JB: update on Text subgroup status
16:26:15 -Rich
16:26:25 JB met on tuesday
16:27:10 zakim, whos here?
16:27:10 I don't understand your question, JF.
16:27:17 zakim, who's here?
16:27:17 On the phone I see John_Foliot, Janina_Sajka, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, Judy
16:27:19 On IRC I see Judy, janina, richardschwerdtfe, RRSAgent, davidb, JF, MikeSmith, [tm], Zakim, trackbot
16:27:57 JB: text group discussed a number of topics
16:28:08 a lot of checking in on status of open issues
16:28:40 Janina and Steve need to schedule some time to finalize meta-generator issue
16:28:49 will bring that to "ready" to submit to Chairs
16:29:11 discussed status of longdesc issue, suspect that will need to be re-surveyed
16:29:28 anticipate a survey mid-december
16:29:55 discussed status of alt-text document that Steve has edited, including a set of bugs filed against it
16:30:14 including some of the troubling text in the HTML5 spec
16:30:27 need to "chase the status" of those bugs
16:30:56 questions around what sections should be normative and non-normative
16:31:31 looked at some of the bugs associated to this sub-group
16:31:53 anticipate next week to have a side-discussion on that, and anticipate resuming in 2 weeks
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16:32:08 Tuesday Dec. 13th @ 1:00 PM US Eastern
16:32:55 JB: JF was looking at the Generated Content issue, appears that this is more of a UAAG issue rather than an HTML5 issue
16:33:08 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Nov/0234.html
16:33:12 UAAG will take a closer look and advise if they agree
16:33:15 rrsagent, make minutes
16:33:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-html-a11y-minutes.html Judy
16:34:30 MS: sounds like a lot of progress being made
16:35:08 MS: not sure if bug triage team can be discussed today, as key players missing
16:35:17 JB: can comment on some of that
16:35:41 one issue discussed at text sub-group was how the bug triage work was going
16:35:50 looked at text-related issues
16:37:03 appears that there is a small and growing set that are being taken care of, as well as a large set rejected, and many that still do not meet a11y needs
16:37:21 hoping that it will make its wy up to next week's meeting
16:37:36 hope that the report be brought forward
16:37:59 many types of 'status' on these bugs, we need to review them
16:38:39 scribe: janina
16:39:05 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Nov/0243.html
16:39:06 jf: Everett has submitted two comments relating to DnD and has not heard back. Needs feedback
16:39:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Nov/0155.html
16:39:19 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Nov/0156.html
16:40:20 janina: Suggest we identify who needs to be in that feedback loop, and proactively get them all into the conversation
16:40:36 jf: Subject focused, not who
16:41:24 ms: We need to be sure to follow up for EZ
16:41:34 jf: Can someone respond? Don't know who?
16:41:44 ms: That's the issue, who?
16:41:53 jf: Should he go to a CP? A bug?
16:42:07 ms: Can't be a CP until there's disagreement of some kind
16:42:19 jf: Too late for bugs?
16:42:44 ms: Bugs are already there. We need a problem description and/or use cases that explain why/what needs to be done that's different from the spec
16:43:03 cs: Would it be useful for EZ to submit as a LC comment
16:43:34 jf: EZ sees three bugs that all seem the same
16:44:01 jf: If tidying up is all that's needed, I can follow up
16:44:03 ms: Ys
16:44:39 ms: EZ says editor's responses so far are OK
16:45:01 jf: Should we be pulling UA into this?
16:45:13 s/UA/UAWG/
16:45:44 jb: May be helpful to have a conversation to understand the boundaries and interactions.
16:46:03 ms: Need to make it clear what needs to be done and where
16:47:12 janina: Suggest an agendum next TF call with EZ and UAWG
16:48:40 MS: one thing I wanted to bring forward as a significant issue
16:48:52 we have a schedule for getting beyond Last Call
16:49:09 which involves ensuring all open bugs are resolved
16:49:18 http://goo.gl/J7WnX
16:50:00 the main thing we need to be looking at are any issues that are in Resolved/NeedsInfo status that are tagged with a11yTF
16:50:15 seems there are about 23 +/- out there
16:50:46 q+
16:50:52 many were submitted by Greg Lowney that are requiring clarification, and none has come forward
16:51:27 JB: From mcooper's informal count
16:52:09 35 marked as |WONTFIX
16:53:20 MS: the ones that are marked NEEDSINFO need - info
16:53:42 some are already assigned to people, but many are not
16:53:53 we need to make sure taht we get followup on these
16:54:05 s/taht/that
16:54:41 it appears that many of the bugs submitted by Greg were more on behalf of PFWG/this task force
16:55:20 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13555#c2
16:55:27 MS: was hoping to review these today, but seems we have no time
16:55:37 [judy pasting in info related to discussion above: Rough informal/unconfirmed estimate across all a11y bug since start of last call: 39 new, 4 re-opened, 22 fixed, 18 needs info, 13 invalid, 35 won't fix, 2 later, 2 duplicate, 5 worksforme.
16:55:51 MS: pasted a link that illustrates problem
16:56:25 Some of these may be fairly quick to address, but want to be sure that these issues have been noted
16:56:36 +q
16:56:42 ack ju
16:57:23 MS: there are many however that require a more substantive response
16:57:45 q?
16:57:51 ack JF
17:00:20 MS: will send a list of the key bugs to the list, so that perhaps some can do some advanced work in anticipation of next weeks call
17:00:51 but will focus on the key 18 needsinfo bugs ASAP, and then revisit the 35 wontfix bugs
17:01:07 MS: sniffing for a scribe for next week
17:01:12 any takers?....
17:01:19 -Cynthia_Shelly
17:01:33 -Judy
17:01:34 adjourned
17:01:39 -Janina_Sajka
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17:01:47 -Mike
17:01:51 -John_Foliot
17:01:53 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has ended
17:01:53 zakim, bye
17:01:56 Attendees were John_Foliot, Rich, Janina_Sajka, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, Judy
17:02:09 rrsagent, make logs public
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17:02:21 rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-html-a11y-minutes.html JF
17:02:47 rrsagent, please part
17:02:47 I see no action items