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09:58:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
09:58:50 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
09:58:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:58:51 <trackbot> Date: 30 November 2011
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09:59:06 <Zakim> +Erik
09:59:40 <erik> regrets: Raphael, Silvia
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10:01:06 <Yves> I'll call soon
10:01:31 <erik> present: Erik, Davy, Yves
10:02:57 <Zakim> +Yves
10:02:58 <erik> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:02:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/30-mediafrag-minutes.html erik
10:03:32 <Zakim> +tomayac
10:04:42 <erik> present+ Thomas
10:07:50 <erik> chair: Erik
10:07:54 <erik> Scribe: Erik
10:08:09 <erik> TOPIC: ADMIN
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10:08:51 <erik> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:08:51 <erik> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:08:51 <erik> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:09:00 <tomayac> +1 to accept
10:09:04 <davy> +1
10:09:04 <erik> +1
10:09:27 <erik> TPOIC: SPEC
10:09:40 <davy> s/TPOIC/TOPIC
10:10:32 <erik> so Yves says the publication to CR will be tomorrow (Thursday)
10:11:48 <Zakim> + +46.3.13.48.aaaa
10:11:57 <foolip> Zakim, I am aaaa
10:11:57 <Zakim> +foolip; got it
10:12:02 <foolip> Zakim, mute me
10:12:02 <Zakim> foolip should now be muted
10:12:12 <erik> present+ Filip
10:12:45 <erik> Davy asks if features 'at risk' will be marked non-normative?
10:13:10 <erik> Yves says it should just be another normative note
10:13:55 <davy> Davy: can appendix about RTSP processing be moved to recipes note?
10:14:02 <davy> Yves: no problem
10:15:14 <erik> Yves says that just editorial changes to make spec more readable are justified between CR and PR
10:15:21 <foolip> so, if we're dropping server-side, is there any dimension left that has 2 client-side implementations?
10:16:25 <foolip> Zakim, unmute me
10:16:25 <Zakim> foolip should no longer be muted
10:20:38 <davy> Thomas: in the strict sense, we have not yet two complete implementations
10:20:51 <davy> ... but the current 'implementations' fulfil the requirements for me
10:21:10 <Yves> xywh should stay 
10:21:16 <davy> foolip: what dimensions will be in the spec?
10:21:30 <davy> erik: time (only npt) and spatial
10:21:44 <davy> scribenick: Davy
10:21:48 <davy> scribe: Davy
10:21:59 <foolip> Zakim, mute me
10:21:59 <Zakim> foolip should now be muted
10:22:24 <foolip> Zakim, unmute me
10:22:24 <Zakim> foolip should no longer be muted
10:22:47 <Yves> even the fact that mediadescription (and CSS) uses mediafrag is in one way an implementation
10:23:15 <davy> Thomas: Opera had at some point an implementation, but then it got canceled. Where did it get dropped from the priority list?
10:23:36 <davy> foolip: implementation was a PoC for the Open Video conference
10:23:46 <davy> ... it was an experiment if it worked or not
10:24:17 <davy> ... it's on the priority list, but there are other things to do first
10:24:37 <davy> thomas: for chromium, it is still open
10:24:45 <davy> ... don't know about the priority
10:24:55 <foolip> Zakim, mute me
10:24:55 <Zakim> foolip should now be muted
10:25:24 <erik> ACTION-231: Yves to check if his grammar is in sync with the latest version of the spec
10:25:24 <trackbot> ACTION-231 Check if his grammar is in synch with the latest version of the spec notes added
10:25:37 <erik> close ACTION-231
10:25:37 <trackbot> ACTION-231 Check if his grammar is in synch with the latest version of the spec closed
10:25:38 <tomayac> the "pink glasses" mail I was referring to before: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Nov/0078.html
10:25:49 <davy> close ACTION-244
10:25:50 <trackbot> ACTION-244 Mail implementers the likelihood to get the remaining features implemented in the coming weeks closed
10:26:01 <davy> TOPIC: Test cases and implementations
10:26:30 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-impl/
10:26:38 <tomayac> The Chromium bug: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=94368
10:26:47 <Yves> tomayac, putting things 'at risk' does mean that we can remove them if needed, it doesn't mean they will be removed.
10:27:04 <davy> erik: slight change that dailymotion comes up with an implementation (both client and server-side)
10:27:25 <davy> ... we should have feedback by next week
10:27:35 <tomayac> Yves, I know. Slow steps, but that's good I guess :-)
10:27:57 <davy> ACTION: troncy to clarify whether Dailymotion will provide an implementation or not
10:27:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-245 - Clarify whether Dailymotion will provide an implementation or not [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-12-07].
10:28:23 <davy> close ACTION-228
10:28:23 <trackbot> ACTION-228 Develop the validator page using his js library for media fragments closed
10:28:33 <davy> close ACTION-232
10:28:33 <trackbot> ACTION-232 Use the machine readable descriptions of the test cases (n3, rdf) for adapting to the Mozilla test suite framework closed
10:28:48 <davy> close ACTION-237
10:28:48 <trackbot> ACTION-237 Review TC-0095-UA to TC-0102-UA closed
10:28:50 <davy> close ACTION-238
10:28:51 <trackbot> ACTION-238 Review TC0002-S to TC0026-S (server test cases) closed
10:28:53 <davy> close ACTION-239
10:28:54 <trackbot> ACTION-239 Review TC0027-S to TC0102-S (server test cases) closed
10:29:08 <davy> close ACTION-241
10:29:08 <trackbot> ACTION-241 Starting from http://tomayac.com/mediafragments/implementationtests.html to generate a EARL report closed
10:29:27 <davy> close ACTION-242
10:29:28 <trackbot> ACTION-242 Contact Jack to get media resources to test TC0099 and TC0100 closed
10:29:36 <davy> close ACTION-234
10:29:36 <trackbot> ACTION-234 Review the "Media Type Specifications and Registration Procedures" IETF draft closed
10:30:19 <davy> close ACTION-243
10:30:19 <trackbot> ACTION-243 Search for a media resource that contains a chapter name closed
10:30:37 <doublec> sorry, late to call
10:30:54 <davy> Topic: update action list
10:31:01 <davy> Action-240?
10:31:01 <trackbot> ACTION-240 -- Raphaël Troncy to create a first draft of this page on the wiki before designing the web site -- due 2011-10-12 -- OPEN
10:31:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/240
10:31:05 <davy> erik: still open
10:31:16 <davy> topic: update issue-list
10:31:24 <davy> issue-10?
10:31:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Media Fragments Test Case Maintenance -- open
10:31:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/10
10:33:05 <davy> action: erik to update the issues and close the issues that can be closed
10:33:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Update the issues and close the issues that can be closed [on Erik Mannens - due 2011-12-07].
10:33:15 <davy> erik: issue-10 can be closed
10:33:26 <davy> issue-17?
10:33:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Media Fragment track names and IRIs -- open
10:33:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/17
10:35:01 <Zakim> +tomayac.a
10:35:52 <davy> erik: can be closed as well (will be addressed in a future version of the spec)
10:35:57 <davy> issue-20?
10:35:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Create a IETF draft at CR stage explaining what the media fragment semantics will be for video/*, image/*, audio/* -- open
10:35:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/20
10:37:17 <davy> Yves: we should ask Philippe Le Hégaret about that
10:37:36 <davy> erik: will close this issue and send a mail to philippe
10:37:50 <davy> issue-21?
10:37:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-21 -- Expressing complex regions with a reference in Media Fragments URI -- open
10:37:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/21
10:38:28 <davy> erik: something for MF2.0, can be closed
10:38:42 <davy> topic: what's still left to do?
10:39:45 <davy> erik: restructuring the spec
10:39:56 <davy> ... removing the features that are not implemented
10:40:07 <davy> ... implementation report
10:40:40 <davy> erik: how much time is needed between CR and PR?
10:43:13 <davy> topic: AOB
10:43:35 <tomayac> no aob
10:43:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/30-mediafrag-minutes.html davy
10:44:47 <Zakim> -tomayac.a
10:44:48 <davy> [adjourned]
10:44:48 <Zakim> -Erik
10:44:49 <Zakim> -Yves
10:45:07 <Zakim> -foolip
10:45:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/30-mediafrag-minutes.html davy
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11:05:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Erik, Yves, tomayac, +46.3.13.48.aaaa, foolip