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15:53:29 <lwatson> Meeting: WAI HTML-A11y Bug Triage weekly meeting
15:53:38 <lwatson> Chair: Léonie Watson
15:53:52 <lwatson> agenda: this
15:54:07 <lwatson> agenda+ Identify Scribe
15:54:40 <lwatson> agenda+ New bugs review
15:54:44 <lwatson> agenda+ Actions review
15:54:51 <lwatson> agenda+ Bug keyword check
15:54:55 <lwatson> agenda+ TF sub team support
15:54:59 <lwatson> agenda+ be done
15:55:08 <lwatson> Zakim, save agenda
15:55:15 <Zakim> ok, lwatson, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2011/11/29-a11y-bugs-agenda.rdf
15:55:43 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)11:00AM has now started
15:55:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:00:50 <lwatson> zakim, agenda
16:00:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', lwatson
16:00:58 <lwatson> zakim, agenda?
16:00:58 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
16:00:59 <Zakim> 8. TF sub team support [from MichaelC]
16:01:00 <Zakim> 9. Identify Scribe [from lwatson]
16:01:01 <Zakim> 10. New bugs review [from lwatson]
16:01:03 <Zakim> 11. Actions review [from lwatson]
16:01:04 <Zakim> 12. Bug keyword check [from lwatson]
16:01:05 <Zakim> 13. TF sub team support [from lwatson]
16:01:06 <Zakim> 14. be done [from lwatson]
16:01:59 <hhillen> scribe: hhillen 
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16:02:36 <lwatson> zakim, next item
16:02:36 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from lwatson]
16:02:49 <lwatson> zakim, take up item 10
16:02:49 <Zakim> agendum 10. "New bugs review" taken up [from lwatson]
16:04:05 <Zakim> +??P20
16:04:21 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, ??P20 is mwe
16:04:21 <Zakim> +mwe; got it
16:04:45 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
16:04:45 <Zakim> sorry, Marco_Ranon, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:04:56 <MichaelC> zakim, mwe is Marco_Ranon
16:04:56 <Zakim> +Marco_Ranon; got it
16:05:03 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
16:05:03 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should now be muted
16:05:20 <lwatson> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14906 Bug 14906 
16:05:40 <hhillen> EZ: New bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14906
16:07:13 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]
16:07:15 <hhillen> EZ: I can see the use case for being able to hover dragged content over an element to activate it 
16:08:03 <hhillen> HH: Currently ARIA doesn't have a way to indicate hover actions, just drop targets
16:08:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
16:09:00 <hhillen> EZ: Neither ARIA or HTML5 define this behavior in the spec 
16:10:32 <hhillen> EZ: It's probably something that the task force should track
16:11:03 <hhillen> EZ: I will add the a11ytf keyword 
16:11:48 <hhillen> EZ: This feature would have to be added to the spec, before we can start making it accessible 
16:11:53 <lwatson> zakim, next item
16:11:53 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from lwatson]
16:12:28 <hhillen> zakim, next item
16:12:28 <Zakim> agendum 9 was just opened, hhillen
16:12:51 <lwatson> zakim, take up item 11
16:12:51 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Actions review" taken up [from lwatson]
16:13:51 <hhillen> EZ: I scanned to the list and identified 3 drag and drop related items
16:15:15 <hhillen> EZ:  With all of these bugs, the editors pushed back that the spec is not meant to define drag and drop, but a mechanism that makes it possible
16:16:07 <hhillen> EZ: But a lot of language regarding drag and drop is mouse centric, and alternative, accessible methods need to be described
16:16:40 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
16:16:41 <hhillen> EZ: I've added some posts about this to the public-html-a11y list to discuss this, but so far there are no responses.
16:18:52 <hhillen> HH: Evertt's message can be found here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Nov/0155.html
16:19:35 <hhillen> EZ: ALl three of these bugs basically ask the question: "can drag and drop be performed without a mouse?"
16:19:46 <hhillen> EZ: So two of these bugs can be closed 
16:20:49 <hhillen> LW: How do we close bugs?
16:21:17 <hhillen> MC: We can move bugs to 'verified', then someone from the working group can close it 
16:21:30 <hhillen> EZ: Do we close the oldest or the newest?
16:22:49 <hhillen> MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8800 seems to be the core one, the others depend on it
16:23:12 <hhillen> MC: So 8800 is the one that should stay open and be commented on
16:23:56 <hhillen> EZ: I'll give it one more week to let people on the mailing list respond, if they don't I'll comment to the bug directly 
16:24:27 <hhillen> LW: We'll check up on this next week
16:24:34 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, unmute me
16:24:34 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should no longer be muted
16:25:02 <hhillen> LW: Marc, did you find any new bugs?
16:25:06 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
16:25:06 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should now be muted
16:25:41 <hhillen> MR: No
16:25:43 <hhillen> zakim, take up item 12
16:25:43 <Zakim> agendum 12. "Bug keyword check" taken up [from lwatson]
16:26:56 <hhillen> LW: We can probably close this
16:27:04 <hhillen> zakim, take up item 13
16:27:04 <Zakim> agendum 13. "TF sub team support" taken up [from lwatson]
16:27:55 <hhillen> LW: So far I've only gotten a response from the media sub group
16:28:06 <hhillen> LW: We're at a bit of a standstill
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16:30:14 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
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16:30:15 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], Marco_Ranon, Michael_Cooper
16:30:16 <hhillen> rrsagent, make minutes
16:30:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/29-a11y-bugs-minutes.html hhillen
16:31:20 <MichaelC> present: Everett_Zufelt, Hans_Hillen, Marco_Ranon, Léonie_Watson, Michael_Cooper
16:31:33 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:31:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/29-a11y-bugs-minutes.html MichaelC
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