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14:49:50 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:49:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
14:49:51 <trackbot> Date: 23 November 2011
14:49:57 <darobin> Chair: Robin_Berjon
14:50:04 <darobin> Regrets: Frederick_Hirsch
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14:52:33 <Deep> Present+ Deepanshu_Gautam 
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15:00:43 <Cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
15:01:08 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
15:01:23 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref
15:01:52 <Zakim> + +1.314.314.aaaa
15:01:53 <Zakim> -Deepanshu_Gautam
15:01:55 <Zakim> +Deepanshu_Gautam
15:01:59 <Zakim> +??P12
15:02:01 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P12 is me
15:02:02 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
15:02:06 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
15:02:08 <darobin> Zakim, aaa is me
15:02:08 <Zakim> sorry, darobin, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
15:02:09 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:02:11 <darobin> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:02:11 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
15:02:22 <Kihong_Kwon> Present+ Kihong_Kwon
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15:02:26 <Josh_Soref> Scribe: Josh_Soref 
15:02:32 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
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15:02:43 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Deepanshu_Gautam (24%), darobin (19%)
15:02:57 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute Deepanshu_Gautam 
15:02:57 <Zakim> Deepanshu_Gautam should now be muted
15:03:18 <Zakim> +??P14
15:03:24 <Cathy> zakim, ??P14 is me
15:03:24 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
15:03:37 <Clarke> Present+ Clarke_Stevens
15:03:44 <Josh_Soref> Present+ Josh_Soref 
15:03:51 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:03:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
15:04:07 <Zakim> +??P16
15:04:08 <Zakim> +spoussa
15:04:12 <dom> Zakim, ??P16 is me
15:04:12 <Zakim> +dom; got it
15:04:21 <Zakim> +nwidell
15:04:42 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make logs public 
15:04:55 <spoussa> Present+ Sakari_Poussa
15:05:19 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:05:21 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Agenda
15:05:30 <Zakim> + +1.720.934.aabb
15:05:33 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/A5572620-7342-408E-B4E7-778B0E823919@berjon.com
15:05:33 <Josh_Soref> darobin: it seems we don't have many people
15:05:49 <Zakim> + +34.97.424.aacc
15:05:53 <Josh_Soref> ... Josh_Soref, thank you for the scribing again
15:05:58 <darobin> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/mar2012-f2f/
15:06:06 <Josh_Soref> ... we need to remember that the F2F dates are being selected
15:06:24 <dom> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/mar2012-f2f/results
15:06:32 <Josh_Soref> ... please be sure you fill it out if you want to have a say about the date for the F2F
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15:06:56 <Josh_Soref> ... it seems that the current winner is Mar 13
15:07:03 <jcantera> Present+ jcantera
15:07:04 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/TR/vibration/
15:07:11 <Josh_Soref> ... The Vibration API has been published
15:07:36 <Josh_Soref> ... hopefully as it's a short spec we can move to LC very soon
15:07:39 <darobin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0204.html
15:07:55 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Minutes Approval
15:08:06 <Josh_Soref> darobin: I know they were sent out after the Agenda, any objections?
15:08:07 <Josh_Soref> [ none ]
15:08:13 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Minutes from last week are approved
15:08:17 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Web Intents TF
15:08:20 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/CAO800SxJtMp6+UyV4d1Z3CPE5VvL8CeOJd=pFEd6Ep8Dk5zLTQ@mail.gmail.com
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15:08:40 <Josh_Soref> darobin: It has now started, and there is a ML called public-web-intents
15:08:47 <Josh_Soref> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/
15:09:04 <Josh_Soref> darobin: one thing that would be useful is to look at the current APIs we have
15:09:14 <Josh_Soref> ... and see if we can work out whether they can be worked
15:09:15 <Josh_Soref> q+
15:09:28 <Josh_Soref> ... into using Intents
15:09:33 <darobin> Zakim, [Microsoft] is Travis
15:09:33 <Zakim> +Travis; got it
15:09:51 <jcantera> Zakim, aacc is me
15:09:51 <Zakim> +jcantera; got it
15:09:54 <darobin> Josh_Soref: my plan is to look at moving Contacts and potentially Calendar towards intents model
15:09:57 <darobin> ack Josh_Soref 
15:09:59 <Zakim> + +1.781.534.aadd
15:10:05 <lgombos> Present+ Laszlo_Gombos
15:10:06 <darobin> ... I might try a hypothetical thermometer API
15:10:13 <darobin> ... Contacts is mostly lookup
15:10:18 <darobin> q+ for writeback
15:10:35 <darobin> ... Thermometer is more about pairing — different case, different way of working
15:11:01 <darobin> ACTION: Josh to investigate using intents for Contacts, perhaps Calendar and Thermometer
15:11:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-491 - Investigate using intents for Contacts, perhaps Calendar and Thermometer [on Josh Soref - due 2011-11-30].
15:11:04 <darobin> ack me
15:11:04 <Zakim> darobin, you wanted to discuss writeback
15:11:13 <Josh_Soref> darobin: you mentioned Contacts being a simple lookup
15:11:24 <Josh_Soref> ... you know that initially we also had a Contacts WriteBack
15:11:24 <Dzung_Tran> Should thermometer be part of sensors
15:11:40 <Josh_Soref> ... i think it might be useful to look into Writing/Deleting in Intents as well
15:11:54 <Josh_Soref> ... that might surface more interesting limits on the model
15:11:54 <spoussa> +1 for contacts write and delete
15:12:18 <darobin> Josh_Soref: would look at write and read as separate actions
15:12:32 <Travis> Present+ Travis_Leithead
15:12:39 <darobin> ... sort of thinking of it as look up contact in one action, then range action, then way to write/modify
15:12:48 <darobin> ... on either given contact or the list
15:13:12 <darobin> Robin: differnet actions ok, but probably same service
15:13:22 <Josh_Soref> s/net/ent/
15:13:45 <Josh_Soref> darobin: finding the limits of Intents early is important
15:14:06 <Josh_Soref> ... so using more complicated UCs early to shake out the kinks is important
15:14:27 <darobin> Josh_Soref: two parts to read-only data sources
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15:14:46 <darobin> ... on is to throw an exception, the other is to have a separte API for writing
15:14:58 <Josh_Soref> s/on is/one is/
15:15:01 <darobin> ... exception APIs are disastrous: untested, unexpected unhandled
15:15:06 <darobin> [+1 to that]
15:15:15 <Josh_Soref> s/Robin:/darobin:/
15:15:39 <Josh_Soref> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2011Nov/thread.html
15:15:40 <darobin> Josh_Soref: dropping some pointers
15:15:50 <Josh_Soref> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2011Nov/0011.html
15:16:19 <darobin> Josh_Soref: I've posted five parts of discussion on intents
15:16:24 <darobin> ... this is part 3 about USB hubs
15:16:34 <darobin> ... with USB, devices will often have multiple profiles
15:16:35 <Josh_Soref> s/is/is in/
15:17:23 <darobin> ... makes sense to be able to ask for an input device (keyboard), then ask for mouse, but UA can suggest existing one
15:17:49 <darobin> ... so in contacts, you can say "already asked for lookup", upon write-back, UA says "hey, this service can do that too"
15:18:04 <Josh_Soref> darobin: right, i see what you're getting to
15:18:06 <darobin> q?
15:18:08 <Dzung_Tran> Have the WebEvents WG looks into this for Joystick API
15:18:09 <darobin> ack jcantera 
15:18:18 <Josh_Soref> ... definitely if you could look into the UC, it'd be good
15:18:26 <Josh_Soref> jcantera: I have comments on Web Intents in general
15:18:42 <Josh_Soref> ... since the TF is doing the Academic exercise that was done in the past
15:19:00 <Josh_Soref> ... the results have not been very good, creating things that implementers aren't very interested in
15:19:15 <Josh_Soref> ... I thought it was going to look at Google's input
15:19:30 <Josh_Soref> ... It would help if the Intents work would focus on already identified UCs
15:19:44 <Josh_Soref> ... And not look into things Implementers won't implement
15:19:54 <Josh_Soref> darobin: the reason we're not looking at the Draft yet
15:20:00 <Josh_Soref> ... is that it hasn't been uploaded
15:20:17 <Josh_Soref> ... and we're working on Administration tasks
15:20:22 <Josh_Soref> s/tasks/work/
15:20:38 <Josh_Soref> ... once we have the Draft in hand, it will be easier to make comments on it
15:20:49 <Travis> zakim, please mute Josh_Soref 
15:20:49 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
15:20:51 <Josh_Soref> ... [ The draft has support from One, One and a half implementers ]
15:21:10 <Josh_Soref> ... Once it's available, it's important to look at Intents and see if
15:21:14 <Josh_Soref> ... it addresses the UCs
15:21:25 <Josh_Soref> ... so other groups can know if it will work for them
15:21:34 <Josh_Soref> ... does that make sense?
15:21:36 <Josh_Soref> jcantera: yes
15:21:39 <Josh_Soref> ... but if it diverges
15:21:53 <Josh_Soref> ... it may go slower than we expected
15:22:00 <Josh_Soref> ... if you have open/long discussions
15:22:11 <Josh_Soref> ... the initial `intent` is different
15:22:21 <Josh_Soref> darobin: I invite you to take your concerns to the intents list
15:22:26 <Josh_Soref> ... i think you're on it
15:22:32 <Josh_Soref> ... i know you're working w/ the B2G people
15:22:41 <Josh_Soref> ... one thing that would be very valuable for the Intents TF
15:22:46 <Josh_Soref> ... would be for Mozilla to be more active
15:22:49 <Josh_Soref> q+
15:23:02 <Josh_Soref> ... I spoke to a number of Mozilla people @TPAC
15:23:08 <Josh_Soref> ... and I know they have reservations
15:23:10 <Josh_Soref> ... on Intents
15:23:16 <darobin> q?
15:23:27 <Josh_Soref> ... I know you're working closely with them, and I think it would help if you'd encourage them to share their feedback
15:23:41 <Josh_Soref> jcantera: My concern is that DAP/Mozilla/Intents are going along different paths
15:23:50 <Josh_Soref> ... it isn't your fault if Mozilla doesn't provide input
15:24:03 <Josh_Soref> darobin: I'm certainly hoping that the fact that Google is submitting their Draft to the TF
15:24:07 <Josh_Soref> ... and sharing their Draft
15:24:18 <Josh_Soref> ... and Chairing the TF
15:24:19 <darobin> ack Josh_Soref 
15:24:38 <darobin> Josh_Soref: I went to Moz's WebAPI meeting yesterday
15:24:47 <darobin> ... poked them to look at contacts via intents
15:24:56 <darobin> ... WebAPI meeting is mostly about B2G more than W3
15:25:01 <darobin> ... goal is to ship by end of year
15:25:35 <darobin> ... did try to convince them to give feedback on intents, both on contacts and similar things
15:25:44 <darobin> ... we need to push them more
15:26:02 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to prod DavidA and Shane about feedback on Activities/Intents
15:26:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-492 - Prod DavidA and Shane about feedback on Activities/Intents [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-11-30].
15:26:41 <Josh_Soref> Zakim: mute me
15:26:48 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
15:26:48 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
15:27:01 <Josh_Soref> q+ to comment on "native apps needing storage apis"
15:27:13 <Josh_Soref> s/Zakim: mute me//
15:27:26 <Josh_Soref> jcantera: I was on yesterday's call too
15:27:36 <Josh_Soref> ... but I think we need the contacts application
15:27:41 <Josh_Soref> ... to have a native api
15:27:45 <Josh_Soref> ... for storing and retrieving
15:28:13 <Josh_Soref> darobin: I'd like to avoid spending too much time on Intents since there is a TF for it
15:28:24 <Josh_Soref> ... rather than discussing it here where we don't have the key players
15:28:32 <Josh_Soref> ... it's important to discuss it in the TF
15:28:39 <darobin> ack Josh_Soref 
15:28:41 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, you wanted to comment on "native apps needing storage apis"
15:28:50 <Josh_Soref> ... jcantera, since you have ideas and are using it, it's important for you to send your feedback there
15:29:18 <darobin> Josh_Soref: contacts native store is basically IDB, they don't need an API, the API is the IDB API
15:29:32 <darobin> ... then offer services to expose APIs atop that, for search, lookup, etc.
15:29:41 <darobin> ... tried to express that but seem to have failed
15:29:44 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
15:29:44 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
15:29:53 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Media Capture TF
15:29:58 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/22C84B78-685C-4B6F-85E4-A12BC073D075@berjon.com
15:30:00 <Josh_Soref> darobin: ... yay, another TF
15:30:09 <Josh_Soref> ... there's a Draft Charter that I put out a couple of weeks ago
15:30:15 <Josh_Soref> ... we need it to be accepted by both groups
15:30:22 <Josh_Soref> ... any objections?
15:30:28 <Josh_Soref> ... there hasn't been much discussion about it
15:30:31 <AnssiK> +1
15:30:41 <Josh_Soref> ... there was a little feedback from Travis
15:30:49 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
15:30:55 <Josh_Soref> XXX: I'm in favor
15:31:01 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: darobin (60%)
15:31:06 <Josh_Soref> ... have we had any feedback from WebRTC?
15:31:19 <Josh_Soref> darobin: hearing no objection, and some support
15:31:24 <Josh_Soref> ... resolution for accepting it?
15:31:33 <Josh_Soref> ... the Mailing List isn't up yet
15:31:38 <Travis> Excellent.
15:31:39 <Josh_Soref> ... it comes after the Charter is accepted
15:31:43 <darobin> s/XXX/Travis/
15:31:44 <Josh_Soref> s/XXX/Travis/
15:31:55 <AnssiK> q+
15:32:01 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Accept Media Capture TF Charter
15:32:02 <darobin> ack AnssiK 
15:32:07 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Battery API LC
15:32:12 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: since CfC
15:32:18 <Josh_Soref> ... the spec got reviewed by the implementer
15:32:20 <AnssiK> http://www.w3.org/mid/DC3F966B-34F0-42E1-9DEF-0D3FA45DF8EC@nokia.com
15:32:31 <Josh_Soref> ... we received feedback and spotted some bugs in the spec
15:32:40 <Josh_Soref> ... we've corrected them
15:32:49 <Josh_Soref> ... the spec should be finally aligned with the implementation
15:32:54 <Josh_Soref> ... so I think we're ready to move to LC
15:32:58 <AnssiK> +1
15:33:05 <lgombos> +1
15:33:07 <dom> +1
15:33:08 <spoussa> +1
15:33:09 <Josh_Soref> darobin: Any objections to moving battery to LC?
15:33:13 <Josh_Soref> [ None ]
15:33:16 <dom> Yay!
15:33:19 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to publish Battery API as LC, transition request it
15:33:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-493 - Publish Battery API as LC, transition request it [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-11-30].
15:33:35 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Move Battery API to LC
15:33:40 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Sensor API
15:33:46 <Josh_Soref> darobin: there's been discussion on the list
15:34:02 <Josh_Soref> jcantera: we've received many feedbacks
15:34:10 <Josh_Soref> ... both on the B2G list and also the DAP list
15:34:22 <Josh_Soref> ... there were some mistakes in the WebIDL syntax in the Spec
15:34:29 <Josh_Soref> ... which were pointed out on the B2G list
15:34:41 <Josh_Soref> ... there was feedback from Claes concerning the list of Find methods
15:34:51 <Josh_Soref> ... the idea is
15:35:03 <Josh_Soref> ... the group is exploring the idea of Intents as a way of doing Discovery
15:35:18 <Josh_Soref> ... one of the options is not to cover Discovery in the Sensor API
15:35:21 <darobin> q+ next steps: keep iterating since discussions are working out; bother with process stuff later
15:35:38 <Josh_Soref> ... or only have a list method to find a way to cover local sensors on the device
15:35:41 <darobin> q+ to talk about next steps: keep iterating since discussions are working out; bother with process stuff later
15:35:48 <Josh_Soref> ... I favor having a way to see local sensors
15:35:54 <Josh_Soref> ... and use Intents for sensor discovery
15:35:56 <Josh_Soref> q+ to object
15:36:06 <Josh_Soref> ... there was also a discussion concerning Ranges
15:36:13 <Josh_Soref> ... and differing sensor data
15:36:22 <Josh_Soref> ... I think Sun was involved in that
15:36:55 <darobin> s/Sun/Dzung/
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15:37:02 <jcantera> https://github.com/jmcanterafonseca/SensorGapPlugin
15:37:24 <Josh_Soref> jcantera: I presented a sensor plugin @TPAC
15:37:33 <Josh_Soref> ... i think it's way to get more feedback from the developer community
15:37:34 <nwidell> Present+ Niklas_Widell
15:37:38 <Josh_Soref> ... the next step with sensors is
15:37:46 <darobin> q?
15:37:48 <Josh_Soref> ... collecting/addressing the feedback we've received
15:37:59 <Josh_Soref> ... and then try to publish a WD on Sensors
15:38:11 <darobin> ack me
15:38:11 <Josh_Soref> ... and get more feedback from W3 community in general
15:38:11 <Zakim> darobin, you wanted to talk about next steps: keep iterating since discussions are working out; bother with process stuff later
15:38:24 <Josh_Soref> darobin: what i'm hearing/seeing in the discussions
15:38:29 <Josh_Soref> ... is there's a good level of interest
15:38:35 <Josh_Soref> ... and you have quite a lot of feedback to integrate
15:38:41 <Josh_Soref> jcantera: yes, we need to do that in the next week
15:38:52 <Josh_Soref> darobin: before we jump to publication, i think it would be good to integrate that feedback
15:39:05 <Josh_Soref> ... otherwise we'd publish a draft behind what we know in terms of feedback
15:39:14 <Josh_Soref> ... so next step is to update to incorporate your feedback
15:39:20 <Deep> Zakim, unmute me
15:39:20 <Zakim> Deepanshu_Gautam should no longer be muted
15:39:22 <Zakim> -darobin
15:39:27 <darobin> oh oh
15:39:34 <Josh_Soref> ... and then ping the list
15:39:44 <Josh_Soref> ... Thanks for coordinating the discussion over multiple lists
15:39:53 <Zakim> +darobin
15:40:19 <Josh_Soref> [ darobin explains his drop is due to poor provisioning ]
15:40:30 <AnssiK> q+
15:40:33 <Josh_Soref> Topic: AOB
15:40:34 <AnssiK> should we try to enforce a ML netiquette on public-device-apis similar to http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/WorkMode#Mail_List_Policy.2C_Usage.2C_Etiquette.2C_etc. or http://www.w3.org/mid/CAACrNNfYMJJpWQ1U=hAk62O+VDcwvPeSg7g6WgYzFuL38RrXNA@mail.gmail.com
15:40:35 <darobin> ack AnssiK 
15:40:46 <dom> q+ to mention staff contacts transition
15:41:01 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: I wonder if we should try to ensure proper etiquette on the ML
15:41:10 <Josh_Soref> ... I see that Josh_Soref raised this on the Web Intents ML
15:41:20 <Josh_Soref> ... should we raise this, things like "no top posting"
15:41:23 <Josh_Soref> ... we have new people
15:41:30 <dom> (not sure about enforcing, but reminding at least?)
15:41:35 <Josh_Soref> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2011Nov/0028.html
15:41:45 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i'm asking the Chairs to remind people
15:41:55 <Josh_Soref> darobin: I agree with dom, enforcing is hard
15:41:59 <Josh_Soref> ... but i'm happy to remind people
15:42:10 <Josh_Soref> ... and I can add a link to the wiki
15:42:21 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: right, Notify/Inform people
15:42:30 <Josh_Soref> ... it isn't documented in the DAP wiki
15:42:38 <Josh_Soref> ... WebApps has guidance
15:42:41 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to email the list about email etiquette and link from the wiki to WebApp's etiquette
15:42:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-494 - Email the list about email etiquette and link from the wiki to WebApp's etiquette [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-11-30].
15:42:48 <Josh_Soref> ... and Josh_Soref posted his to the Intents ML
15:43:01 <Josh_Soref> ... ideally all groups would have the same netiquette for MLs
15:43:09 <Josh_Soref> ... it seems silly to have divergence
15:43:13 <Josh_Soref> darobin: I agree with you on principle
15:43:30 <Josh_Soref> ... that said, it's likely there's a netiquette page *somewhere* on the w3c site
15:43:35 <dom> http://www.w3.org/Mail/ links to Mail Etiquette http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt under "Policies"
15:43:44 <Josh_Soref> ... I encourage you to raise your concern to the new Process group
15:43:52 <Josh_Soref> ... this is something that can be raised in Charters
15:43:52 <darobin> ack dom
15:43:52 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to mention staff contacts transition
15:44:29 <Josh_Soref> dom: I will be transitioning out of DAP in the coming months
15:44:37 <Josh_Soref> ... dsr will be the staff contact in my stead
15:44:41 <darobin> RESOLUTION: Dom rocks!
15:44:47 <Josh_Soref> ... i will be taking over francois's responsibilities in WebRTC
15:44:58 <Josh_Soref> ... heads up that dsr is now in charge
15:45:06 <Josh_Soref> ... questions on the group should now be addressed to dsr
15:45:19 <Josh_Soref> darobin: definitely a huge thanks to you dom, for the work you've done
15:45:20 <Travis> +1
15:45:23 <Josh_Soref> +1
15:45:32 <darobin> q?
15:45:33 <Josh_Soref> s/+1/Josh_Soref: +1
15:45:36 <darobin> ack Josh_Soref 
15:45:37 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, you wanted to object
15:46:02 <darobin> Josh_Soref: Sensors... suggestion of having an API for local sensors
15:46:53 <darobin> ... shouldn't be a difference between local/remote, should be hidden, not exposed to the Web
15:46:59 <darobin> ... no fingerprinting
15:47:14 <darobin> darobin: send it to jcantera's big pile of feedback
15:47:24 <darobin> jcantera: not only local sensors
15:47:36 <darobin> ... one of the methods, list(), only lists local sensors
15:47:40 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
15:47:40 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
15:47:50 <darobin> ... but it can be the same for remote
15:47:57 <darobin> ... it's a common interface
15:48:04 <darobin> ... one I have a sensor, get connection, data
15:48:23 <Josh_Soref> darobin: this discussion should be captured in mail
15:48:28 <dom> q+ to ask duration of battery lc
15:48:35 <darobin> ack dom
15:48:35 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask duration of battery lc
15:48:36 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute me
15:48:39 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should no longer be muted
15:48:43 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
15:48:43 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
15:48:49 <Josh_Soref> darobin: minimum is 3 weeks
15:48:54 <Josh_Soref> ... but i'm open to longer if needed
15:48:58 <Josh_Soref> ... any opinions
15:49:22 <Josh_Soref> dom: there's a YYY of Dec 15
15:49:27 <Josh_Soref> ... 3 weeks might be short
15:49:38 <Josh_Soref> darobin: i'm fine with making a LC that goes a bit into January
15:49:56 <Josh_Soref> ... it's not like transitioning right before Christmas does us much good
15:50:09 <Josh_Soref> dom: let's go to Dec 16
15:50:15 <Josh_Soref> darobin: oh you want the end of the week
15:50:18 <darobin> q?
15:50:26 <Josh_Soref> s/there's a YYY of/three weeks is/
15:50:29 <Josh_Soref> darobin: thank you very much
15:50:32 <Josh_Soref> ... see you next week
15:50:34 <Zakim> -AnssiK
15:50:36 <Zakim> -dom
15:50:37 <Zakim> -nwidell
15:50:37 <Zakim> -spoussa
15:50:38 <Zakim> -Deepanshu_Gautam
15:50:40 <Zakim> -Cathy
15:50:41 <Zakim> -darobin
15:50:42 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, end telco
15:50:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end telco', Josh_Soref
15:50:44 <Zakim> -Travis
15:50:51 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:50:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
15:50:56 <Zakim> - +1.720.934.aabb
15:50:56 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, bye
15:50:56 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-actions.rdf :
15:50:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Josh to investigate using intents for Contacts, perhaps Calendar and Thermometer [1]
15:50:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-irc#T15-11-01
15:50:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Robin to prod DavidA and Shane about feedback on Activities/Intents [2]
15:50:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-irc#T15-26-02
15:50:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Robin to publish Battery API as LC, transition request it [3]
15:50:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-irc#T15-33-19
15:50:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Robin to email the list about email etiquette and link from the wiki to WebApp's etiquette [4]
15:50:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-irc#T15-42-41
15:51:06 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref