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14:54:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
14:54:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:54:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
14:54:39 <trackbot> Date: 17 November 2011
14:55:21 <kaz> s/Web and TV Interest Group/Media Pipeline Task Force/
14:55:28 <kaz> zakim, this will be webtv
14:55:28 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, kaz
14:55:35 <kaz> zakim, list
14:55:35 <Zakim> I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM, Team_Global(review)8:00AM, T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM active
14:55:38 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are UW_UWA()9:00AM, MM_MMI(EMMA)10:00AM, IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM, XML_PMWG()10:00AM, SW_RDFa()10:00AM, Math_IG()10:00AM, WF_TF()9:00AM,
14:55:41 <Zakim> ... UW_POI(POIWG)10:00AM
15:57:11 <kaz> zakim, list
15:57:11 <Zakim> I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM, UW_POI(POIWG)10:00AM, WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM, T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM, SW_(PROV)11:00AM active
15:57:14 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are MM_MMI(EMMA)10:00AM, XML_QueryWG(XSLT)11:00AM, SW_HCLS(TMO)11:00AM, UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()10:00AM, I18N_WG(MLW)11:00AM,
15:57:17 <Zakim> ... Team_Global(review)8:00AM, Styl_XSL-FO-()11:00AM, WAI_RDWG()11:00AM, Math_IG()10:00AM, WF_TF()9:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM, Team_Comm()10:30AM,
15:57:22 <Zakim> ... VB_VBWG(CCXML)11:00AM
15:57:41 <kaz> zakim, this will be webtv
15:57:41 <Zakim> ok, kaz; I see UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
15:57:47 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
15:57:47 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
15:57:49 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has now started
15:57:50 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
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15:59:16 <Zakim> +??P42
15:59:28 <Clarke> zakim, ??P42 is me
15:59:29 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
16:00:07 <Zakim> + +44.303.040.aaaa
16:00:20 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is Dancun
16:00:21 <Zakim> +Dancun; got it
16:00:41 <Zakim> + +1.206.664.aabb
16:00:50 <kaz> zakim, aabb is Ted
16:00:56 <kaz> zakim, Dancun is Duncan
16:00:59 <Zakim> +Ted; got it
16:01:01 <Zakim> +Duncan; got it
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16:03:50 <Zakim> + +1.908.848.aacc
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16:04:44 <kaz> zakim, aacc is Paul
16:04:44 <Zakim> +Paul; got it
16:05:00 <kaz> zakim, ??P55 is Bob
16:05:00 <Zakim> +Bob; got it
16:05:02 <Zakim> + +1.415.867.aadd
16:05:15 <kaz> zakim, aadd is Mark_Watson
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16:05:44 <kaz> Scribe: Kaz
16:05:48 <kaz> Chair: Clarke
16:05:55 <Clarke> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_17th_November_2011
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16:07:32 <Zakim> +Mark.a
16:07:59 <kaz> topic: Review of TPAC and work items for MPTF
16:08:45 <kaz> clarke: what level do we want?
16:08:55 <Zakim> + +358.405.81aaee
16:09:09 <kaz> zakim, aaee is Juhani
16:09:09 <Zakim> +Juhani; got it
16:09:23 <kaz> ... Ted provided numbers of errors
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16:09:57 <kaz> ... specific to content protection 
16:10:14 <kaz> ... Mark Watson proposed lower level ones
16:10:29 <kaz> markW: architectural question
16:12:22 <kaz> ... we need some archtecture
16:13:05 <kaz> mav: agree errors for content protection is not well-defined as the ones for HTTP
16:14:13 <kaz> ted: wasn't aware of multiple proposals
16:15:31 <kaz> clarke: on the low level errors
16:16:57 <kaz> (discussion on error codes and architecture)
16:18:44 <kaz> markW: 600 different errors in our system
16:19:17 <kaz> ted: can you show actual use case?
16:19:20 <kaz> markW: can
16:19:50 <kaz> clarke: it would be useful to list errors match to actual APIs
16:20:03 <kaz> ted: yes
16:20:08 <kaz> ... like that idea
16:21:27 <kaz> clarke: even though they would occur asynchronously
16:22:21 <kaz> ... if you can provide that, it would be useful
16:22:43 <kaz> ... I'll try to put together on the Wiki
16:23:07 <Zakim> -Mark.a
16:23:08 <kaz> markW: not suggest Wiki
16:23:49 <Zakim> +Mark.a
16:24:13 <kaz> ted: how do you proceed using both ML and Wiki?
16:24:31 <kaz> clarke: maybe one page on adaptive bit rate and another on content protection
16:24:40 <kaz> ... including list of errors
16:24:48 <kaz> ... and add comments
16:25:00 <kaz> ... open discussion using Wiki
16:25:13 <kaz> ... will take an action item to create them
16:25:40 <kaz> action: clarke to create wiki pages for adaptive streaming and content protection
16:25:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Create wiki pages for adaptive streaming and content protection [on Clarke Stevens - due 2011-11-24].
16:25:51 <kaz> topic: schedule expectation
16:26:17 <kaz> clarke: hope we can conclude this discussion by the end of the year
16:26:34 <kaz> ... there is no specific deadline, though
16:26:40 <kaz> ... sounds reasonable?
16:27:28 <kaz> kaz: do you mean we'll wrap up the discussion so far and create the first version of the MPTF report?
16:27:34 <kaz> clarke: yes
16:27:53 <kaz> ... put together the requirements, and pass to the HTML WG
16:28:00 <kaz> kaz: great
16:29:12 <kaz> kaz: btw, @@@report from TPAC 2011
16:30:02 <kaz> ... maybe we'll publish the report asap
16:30:24 <kaz> clarke: already provided some report with several paragraphs
16:30:37 <kaz> kaz: that's enough
16:30:41 <Zakim> -Bob
16:30:42 <Zakim> -Paul
16:30:44 <Zakim> -Duncan
16:30:44 <Zakim> -Ted
16:30:46 <Zakim> -Mark.a
16:30:46 <Zakim> -Mark_Watson
16:30:47 <Clarke> Thanks again, Kaz
16:30:50 <Zakim> -Juhani
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16:30:55 <Zakim> -Clarke
16:31:01 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
16:31:02 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended
16:31:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, Clarke, +44.303.040.aaaa, +1.206.664.aabb, Ted, Duncan, +1.908.848.aacc, Paul, Bob, +1.415.867.aadd, Mark_Watson, Mark, +358.405.81aaee, Juhani
16:32:00 <kaz> s/that's enough/that should be enough. I'll send a message to the IG chairs and ask them for opinions/
16:32:15 <kaz> clarke: let's see their opinions
16:32:22 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
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16:33:03 <kaz> Present: Clarke, Ted, Duncan, Paul(AT&T), Bob, Mark_Watson, Mark_Vickers, Juhani, Kaz
16:33:09 <kaz> Regrets: Francois
16:33:24 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
16:33:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:33:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/17-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:39:55 <kaz> s/@@@report from TPAC 2011/I think we should (1) send out a brief summary from our joint meetings at TPAC 2011 to the IG public list and (2) update the whole IG report with the summary report, (because we had great discussion and progress there) though we didn't have our own F2F meeting
16:40:26 <kaz> s/asap/asap because it's already 2 weeks since the meetings/
16:41:50 <kaz> s/pass to/pass them to/
16:41:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:41:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/17-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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16:42:32 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.858.942.aaaa
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