IRC log of dap on 2011-11-16

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14:46:19 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be DAP
14:46:19 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
14:46:20 [trackbot]: Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
14:46:20 [trackbot]: Date: 16 November 2011
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14:55:17 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be DAP
14:55:17 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot, I see UW_DAP()10:00AM already started
14:55:18 [trackbot]: Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
14:55:18 [trackbot]: Date: 16 November 2011
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14:57:34 [Dzung_Tran]: Present+ Dzung_Tran
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14:57:55 [Clarke]: Present+ Clarke_Stevens
14:58:28 [fjh]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0139.html
14:58:39 [Zakim]: +??P7
14:58:41 [Zakim]: -??P7
14:58:41 [Zakim]: +??P7
14:58:58 [Clarke]: zakim, ??P7 is Clarke
14:58:59 [Zakim]: +Clarke; got it
14:59:34 [Zakim]: + +1.503.333.aabb
14:59:41 [fjh]: Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
14:59:48 [fjh]: Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
15:00:06 [Zakim]: + +46.1.07.15.aacc
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15:00:25 [spoussa]: zakin, aabb is spoussa
15:00:35 [dom]: Zakim, aabb is spoussa
15:00:35 [Zakim]: +spoussa; got it
15:00:47 [Zakim]: +??P11
15:00:50 [AnssiK]: Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:00:55 [Zakim]: +??P12
15:00:56 [AnssiK]: zakim, ??P11 is me
15:00:56 [Kihong_Kwon]: Present+ Kihong_Kwon
15:00:57 [Zakim]: +AnssiK; got it
15:01:00 [fjh]: \
15:01:01 [dom]: Zakim, ??P12 is me
15:01:01 [Zakim]: +dom; got it
15:01:16 [spoussa]: Present+ Sakari_Poussa
15:01:21 [Zakim]: + +33.1.43.14.aadd
15:01:25 [Claes]: Claes has joined #dap
15:01:28 [nwidell]: Present+ Niklas_Widell
15:01:29 [darobin]: Zakim, aadd is me
15:01:29 [Zakim]: +darobin; got it
15:01:35 [dom]: Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
15:01:37 [Ais]: Ais has joined #dap
15:01:42 [Claes]: Present+ Claes_Nilsson
15:02:01 [Ais]: Present+ Anders_Isberg
15:02:04 [Zakim]: + +86255662aaee
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15:02:09 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
15:02:18 [dom]: Zakim, who's noisy?
15:02:29 [Zakim]: dom, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: darobin (72%), +86255662aaee (5%), [IPcaller] (44%)
15:02:38 [fjh]: zakim /me ok 'll try algain
15:02:42 [Zakim]: -[IPcaller]
15:02:47 [darobin]: lovely :(
15:03:10 [Zakim]: + +46.1.08.00.aaff
15:03:20 [Zakim]: +Frederick_Hirsch
15:03:29 [Claes]: Zakim, aaff is Claes
15:03:30 [Zakim]: +Claes; got it
15:03:34 [timeless]: timeless has joined #dap
15:03:45 [dom]: Zakim, who's on the call?
15:03:45 [Zakim]: On the phone I see +1.289.261.aaaa, Clarke, spoussa, +46.1.07.15.aacc, AnssiK, dom, darobin, +86255662aaee, Claes, Frederick_Hirsch
15:03:59 [nwidell]: Zakim, aacc is nwidell
15:03:59 [Zakim]: +nwidell; got it
15:03:59 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, aaaa is me
15:04:01 [Zakim]: +Josh_Soref; got it
15:04:06 [dom]: Zakim, who's on the call?
15:04:06 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Josh_Soref, Clarke, spoussa, nwidell, AnssiK, dom, darobin, +86255662aaee, Claes, Frederick_Hirsch
15:04:33 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is making noise?
15:04:44 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: darobin (54%), +86255662aaee (54%), Frederick_Hirsch (4%)
15:04:49 [fjh]: zakim, mute me
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15:04:49 [Zakim]: sorry, fjh, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:05:00 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute Frederick_Hirsch
15:05:00 [Zakim]: Frederick_Hirsch should now be muted
15:05:05 [fjh]: zakim, Frederick_Hirsch is me
15:05:05 [Zakim]: +fjh; got it
15:05:18 [Josh_Soref]: Scribe: Josh_Soref
15:05:31 [Cathy]: Present+ Cathy_Chan
15:05:42 [Josh_Soref]: Present+ Josh_Soref
15:05:44 [Zakim]: +??P20
15:05:46 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is making noise?
15:05:50 [Cathy]: zakim, ??P20 is me
15:05:50 [Zakim]: +Cathy; got it
15:05:59 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +86255662aaee (27%)
15:06:10 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim: mute aaee
15:06:12 [fjh]: Topic: Administrative
15:06:13 [fjh]: Please complete questionnaire for dates of next F2F in March 2012: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Nov/0003.html (Dom)
15:06:14 [fjh]: Review: Geolocation WG will publish the DeviceOrientation Event specification as a Last Call - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Nov/0002.html
15:06:21 [Josh_Soref]: s/Zakim: mute aaee//
15:06:25 [fjh]: A big thank you to Josh for scribing the F2F
15:06:32 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute +86255662aaee
15:06:32 [Zakim]: +86255662aaee should now be muted
15:06:32 [darobin]: +1
15:06:35 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
15:06:35 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Josh_Soref, Clarke, spoussa, nwidell, AnssiK, dom, darobin, +86255662aaee (muted), Claes, fjh (muted), Cathy
15:06:37 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Cathy, Josh_Soref, wonsuk, Ais, Claes, nwidell, Clarke, Dzung_Tran, spoussa, fjh, Kihong_Kwon, Zakim, RRSAgent, AnssiK, dcoloma, darobin, richt, rektide, ilkka,
15:06:39 [Zakim]: ... lgombos, trackbot, mounir, dom
15:07:00 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:07:00 [Zakim]: fjh should no longer be muted
15:07:45 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: There's a Survey, with 3 weeks available
15:07:50 [Josh_Soref]: ... please fill it in
15:08:04 [Zakim]: +wonsuk
15:08:06 [Josh_Soref]: ... especially possible hosts, please look into whether you're available
15:08:07 [Zakim]: - +86255662aaee
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15:08:13 [fjh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0131.html
15:08:14 [AnssiK]: +1 to approve the minutes
15:08:19 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Minutes Approval
15:08:29 [Josh_Soref]: RESOLUTION: Minutes from F2F are approved
15:08:36 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Vibration API
15:08:45 [fjh]: CfC to publish FPWD, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0016.html
15:08:46 [fjh]: proposed RESOLUTION: Publish FPWD of Vibration API on 22 November 2011
15:08:48 [AnssiK]: +1 to publish FPWD
15:08:55 [wonsuk]: +1
15:09:07 [AnssiK]: q+
15:09:12 [dom]: ack AnssiK
15:09:17 [dom]: +1 on FPWD
15:09:24 [fjh]: +1 to FPWD
15:09:27 [Kihong_Kwon]: +1
15:09:29 [darobin]: +1 too
15:09:32 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: there's a discussion about Method Overloading and XXX
15:09:40 [Josh_Soref]: ... but that shouldn't hold up a FPWD
15:09:50 [Josh_Soref]: RESOLUTION: Publish FPWD of Vibration API
15:09:51 [Zakim]: + +86255662aagg
15:09:52 [darobin]: ACTION: Robin to publish Vibration FPWD
15:09:52 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-488 - Publish Vibration FPWD [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-11-23].
15:10:05 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: I'm away next week, darobin please arrange for next week + publication
15:10:25 [Claes]: q+
15:10:30 [fjh]: DAP API Requirements - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0027.html
15:10:31 [fjh]: System information - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0028.html
15:10:31 [fjh]: Messaging API - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0029.html
15:10:31 [fjh]: Gallery API - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0035.html
15:10:32 [fjh]: Suggested change to warning text: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0123.html (Frederick)
15:10:32 [fjh]: discussion re system information.
15:10:34 [fjh]: proposed RESOLUTION: Update status of editors drafts to indicate shelving, for DAP API Requirements, System Information, Messaging, Gallery APIs and update Roadmap to move to archived section.
15:10:45 [AnssiK]: s/XXX/type coercion/
15:10:49 [dom]: q?
15:11:03 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: I'm going to tweak YYY on jcantera's input
15:11:08 [fjh]: ack Claes
15:11:22 [Josh_Soref]: Claes: I'm reading the new warning text here
15:11:25 [Zakim]: + +44.208.144.aahh
15:11:28 [Josh_Soref]: ... I have a comment on the Gallery API
15:11:33 [AnssiK]: +1 to shelve all the above
15:11:37 [richt]: zakim, aahh is me
15:11:37 [Zakim]: +richt; got it
15:11:42 [richt]: Present+ Rich_Tibbett
15:11:43 [Josh_Soref]: ... If we shelve that API, I need to know what that means
15:11:58 [Josh_Soref]: s/YYY/the Shelving proposal/
15:12:14 [Josh_Soref]: ... We have work based on it
15:12:21 [Josh_Soref]: ... If we shelve it, can we reopen it at any time?
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15:12:25 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: definitely
15:12:32 [Josh_Soref]: ... we have a problem, we've published a bunch of documents
15:12:38 [Josh_Soref]: ... some we're currently working on
15:12:43 [Josh_Soref]: ... some which we haven't worked on recently
15:12:49 [fjh]: if shelved we note the document should not be used, we aren't working on it, but we can always resume the work etc
15:12:52 [Josh_Soref]: ... there's a certain amount of confusion about what we're doing
15:13:01 [Josh_Soref]: ... among people outside the WG
15:13:23 [Josh_Soref]: ... some of our documents haven't had a refresh because we haven't reached a newer conclusion
15:13:39 [fjh]: zakim, mute me
15:13:40 [Zakim]: fjh should now be muted
15:13:42 [Josh_Soref]: ... With shelving, we're just adding a Warning that it's not our current belief
15:13:54 [Josh_Soref]: ... we can at a later time remove the shelving warning
15:14:05 [Josh_Soref]: ... either updating the document to a new view
15:14:14 [Josh_Soref]: ... or having decided we like the view as published
15:14:18 [Josh_Soref]: Claes: so for Webinos
15:14:23 [Josh_Soref]: ... if we have input
15:14:23 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:14:23 [Zakim]: fjh should no longer be muted
15:14:29 [fjh]: shelving is not a charter change
15:14:33 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: everything in the Charter, if we have new input
15:14:40 [Josh_Soref]: ... we can continue working on at any time
15:14:50 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: It's just about making clear what's going on
15:14:57 [Josh_Soref]: ... There's been discussion about SysInfo as well
15:15:04 [Josh_Soref]: ... But i'd suggest we do this for now
15:15:11 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: I'd suggest we go ahead and do it
15:15:15 [fjh]: proposed RESOLUTION: Update status of editors drafts to indicate shelving, for DAP API Requirements, System Information, Messaging, Gallery APIs and update Roadmap to move to archived section.
15:15:15 [Josh_Soref]: ... it's reversible
15:15:33 [Josh_Soref]: q+ to speak on shelving text
15:15:41 [fjh]: zakim, mute me
15:15:41 [Zakim]: fjh should now be muted
15:15:45 [Josh_Soref]: Dzung_Tran: I have concerns about shelving Device API Requirements
15:15:57 [Josh_Soref]: ... it would be fine if we could have what is discussed in this warning text
15:16:00 [dom]: s/Dzung_Tran/Deepanshu
15:16:08 [Josh_Soref]: ... this warning text implies that this document can be taken up in future
15:16:27 [Josh_Soref]: ... but I have been told that the group has decided not to revise that Document
15:16:44 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is on the call?
15:16:44 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Josh_Soref, Clarke, spoussa, nwidell, AnssiK, dom, darobin, Claes, fjh (muted), Cathy, wonsuk, +86255662aagg, richt
15:16:53 [Josh_Soref]: ... so the Warning text for the Requirements document should be changed to address that
15:16:58 [dom]: Zakim, aagg is Deepanshu_Gautam
15:16:58 [Zakim]: +Deepanshu_Gautam; got it
15:17:04 [AnssiK]: [ I think that for requirements gathering wiki might work better ]
15:17:07 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:17:07 [Zakim]: fjh should no longer be muted
15:17:10 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: We said that the Warning text should be specific to the individual shelved documents
15:17:13 [fjh]: ack Josh_Soref
15:17:13 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref, you wanted to speak on shelving text
15:17:19 [fjh]: zakim, mute me
15:17:19 [Zakim]: fjh should now be muted
15:17:25 [darobin]: ACTION: Robin to prepare Requirements, SysInfo, Messaging, Gallery for shelving (wait for text from Deepanshu for Reqs)
15:17:26 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-489 - Prepare Requirements, SysInfo, Messaging, Gallery for shelving (wait for text from Deepanshu for Reqs) [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-11-23].
15:17:42 [fjh]: josh_soref: spoke with Suresh, will also try to suggest text
15:17:47 [fjh]: zakim, unmute
15:17:47 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'unmute', fjh
15:17:53 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:17:53 [Zakim]: fjh should no longer be muted
15:18:05 [darobin]: ACTION-489: wait for text from Josh, include input from Jose and Frederick
15:18:05 [trackbot]: ACTION-489 Prepare Requirements, SysInfo, Messaging, Gallery for shelving (wait for text from Deepanshu for Reqs) notes added
15:18:32 [dom]: dom has changed the topic to: DAP teleconf agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0139.html
15:18:41 [fjh]: proposed RESOLUTION: Update status of editors drafts to indicate shelving, for DAP API Requirements, System Information, Messaging, Gallery APIs and update Roadmap to move to archived section.
15:18:59 [wonsuk]: q+
15:19:13 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute me
15:19:13 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref should now be muted
15:19:25 [fjh]: ack wonsuk
15:19:33 [fjh]: zakim, mute me
15:19:33 [Zakim]: fjh should now be muted
15:19:44 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: I need to coordinate with w3 communications so that we don't get Announced for these documents
15:19:54 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: I'd agree it's best that we don't Annoucne
15:19:58 [Josh_Soref]: s/cne/nce/
15:20:18 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:20:18 [Zakim]: fjh should no longer be muted
15:20:56 [dom]: no, wonsuk was arguing for integrating requirements in each spec, to make it easier for the reader
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15:21:44 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:21:44 [Zakim]: fjh was not muted, fjh
15:22:07 [darobin]: +1 to Wonsuk
15:22:33 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: there's a Draft Charter
15:22:46 [Josh_Soref]: ... we're just waiting for the mailing list to be created
15:22:51 [Josh_Soref]: ... dom, do you know its status?
15:22:53 [fjh]: Topic: WebIntents Task Force
15:22:53 [fjh]: draft charter, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0054.html
15:22:53 [Josh_Soref]: dom: I don't
15:22:59 [Josh_Soref]: ... I think shepazu is in charge of this
15:23:03 [fjh]: s/Topic/Topic:/
15:23:08 [Josh_Soref]: ... but he's at the W3C conference right now
15:23:15 [Josh_Soref]: ... there was some concern about the Naming
15:23:22 [Josh_Soref]: ... and there was a concern about ZZZ
15:23:34 [fjh]: s/ZZZ/naming/
15:23:40 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: in terms of naming, I think that ship has sailed
15:23:45 [fjh]: zakim, mute me
15:23:45 [Zakim]: fjh should now be muted
15:23:56 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:23:56 [Zakim]: fjh should no longer be muted
15:23:56 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: we'll just have a mailing list
15:24:01 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'd rather not use the same system
15:24:07 [Josh_Soref]: ... it was rather buggy last time around
15:24:23 [fjh]: need a task force for IPR obligations
15:24:26 [Josh_Soref]: dom: there's an issue of who is Formally a Member of the TF
15:24:40 [Josh_Soref]: ... we want an open mailing list where anyone can subscribe
15:25:14 [Josh_Soref]: s/not use the same system/not use the same system as used for public-device-status/
15:25:22 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: We can track who contributed
15:25:27 [Josh_Soref]: ... by following the mailing list
15:25:33 [Josh_Soref]: ... and seeing who has made the IPR commitments
15:25:40 [Josh_Soref]: ... in the same way we track the DAP public mailing list
15:25:47 [Josh_Soref]: dom: AAA
15:25:56 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: if there are big concerns, we can do something else
15:26:03 [fjh]: s/AAA/so ok with just having a mailing list?
15:26:10 [Josh_Soref]: ... but I don't see how this is different from DAP's public mailing list or WebApps, etc.
15:26:17 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: I'll talk w/ shepazu
15:26:28 [Josh_Soref]: q+ to talk about delays
15:26:36 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: I don't know that there's much to talk about beyond that
15:26:36 [fjh]: ack Josh_Soref
15:26:37 [darobin]: ack Josh_Soref
15:26:38 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref, you wanted to talk about delays
15:27:05 [fjh]: Josh_Soref concerned about delays and cross-posting, so wants this to be done quickly
15:27:18 [fjh]: darobin: we all agree
15:27:26 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute me
15:27:28 [darobin]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0058.html
15:27:28 [Zakim]: Josh_Soref should now be muted
15:27:32 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Web API Design Cookbook
15:27:34 [fjh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0058.html
15:27:37 [darobin]: http://scriptlib-cg.github.com/api-design-cookbook/
15:27:46 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: darobin, I know you've worked on this
15:27:49 [fjh]: zakim, mute me
15:27:49 [Zakim]: fjh should now be muted
15:27:51 [Josh_Soref]: ... i don't know if there's much more to do
15:27:59 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: this has been done openly on GitHub
15:28:01 [darobin]: https://github.com/scriptlib-cg/api-design-cookbook
15:28:09 [Josh_Soref]: ... if you want changes made to it, you just clone from the repository
15:28:11 [Josh_Soref]: ... make your changes
15:28:15 [Josh_Soref]: ... and make a pull request
15:28:19 [Josh_Soref]: ... and then i'll integrate them
15:28:27 [Josh_Soref]: ... it's handled like a regular open source project
15:28:33 [Josh_Soref]: ... it's like a Cook Book
15:28:38 [Josh_Soref]: ... and not a BBB
15:28:53 [Josh_Soref]: ... The idea is to help people writing APIs inside or outside of W3C
15:28:58 [Josh_Soref]: ... to be able to refer to this document
15:29:02 [Josh_Soref]: ... to find best practices
15:29:06 [Josh_Soref]: ... input is welcome
15:29:12 [Josh_Soref]: ... preferably in the form of patches
15:29:15 [Josh_Soref]: ... but otherwise as well
15:29:19 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:29:19 [Zakim]: fjh should no longer be muted
15:29:20 [Josh_Soref]: ... Two sections have been fleshed out
15:29:25 [Josh_Soref]: ... but others are coming
15:29:30 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Battery
15:29:30 [AnssiK]: q+
15:29:35 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: AnssiK, where are we?
15:29:37 [fjh]: ack AnssiK
15:29:38 [Josh_Soref]: ack AnssiK
15:29:43 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:29:43 [Zakim]: fjh was not muted, fjh
15:29:47 [fjh]: zakim, mute me
15:29:47 [Zakim]: fjh should now be muted
15:29:48 [dom]: Zakim, who's noisy?
15:29:58 [wonsuk]: To make clear our specs, an requirement part should be included to the each spec to make it easier for the reader. In addition to make a consistency among requirement and other parts of the spec.
15:29:58 [Zakim]: dom, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Deepanshu_Gautam (94%), darobin (55%), AnssiK (15%)
15:30:09 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, mute deepanshu_gautam
15:30:11 [Zakim]: Deepanshu_Gautam should now be muted
15:30:23 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: last time we discussed the topic at the F2F
15:30:30 [Josh_Soref]: ... the only remaining issue was the Threshold feature
15:30:36 [Josh_Soref]: ... spoussa sent a proposal
15:30:41 [Josh_Soref]: ... it was discussed on the mailing list
15:31:03 [Josh_Soref]: ... we found out that we don't have a design that meets the quality requirements
15:31:08 [Josh_Soref]: ... so we're going to push it to v2
15:31:16 [Josh_Soref]: ... given that, we're ready for CfC to LC
15:31:22 [Josh_Soref]: ... so we can iron out any last bits
15:31:35 [Josh_Soref]: ... I'd like to note that this is shipping in Firefox 10 (Aurora)
15:31:39 [Josh_Soref]: ... so you can grab that
15:31:40 [fjh]: +1 to CfC for Last Call
15:31:40 [darobin]: [that will only work on Android or Linux]
15:31:42 [Josh_Soref]: ... that's about it
15:31:45 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:31:45 [Zakim]: fjh should no longer be muted
15:31:51 [spoussa]: +1
15:31:54 [AnssiK]: +1 to CfC for Last Call
15:31:54 [wonsuk]: +1
15:32:16 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: dom / darobin : any concerns about CfC to LC?
15:32:19 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: not at all
15:32:26 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: let's do this
15:32:37 [Josh_Soref]: ... AnssiK, can you do the paper/prep work for LC?
15:32:43 [Josh_Soref]: AnssiK: I haven't done it, but i'm willing to learn
15:32:49 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: sure, we can help you
15:32:54 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: I'll do the CfC
15:32:57 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: great
15:33:04 [darobin]: ACTION: Robin to CfC Battery LC
15:33:04 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-490 - CfC Battery LC [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-11-23].
15:33:09 [Josh_Soref]: Topic: Discovery API
15:33:12 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: there's a demo online
15:33:16 [Josh_Soref]: ... i'm not sure what else is new
15:33:19 [fjh]: discovery demo online, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0085.html
15:33:21 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is on the call?
15:33:21 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), Clarke, spoussa, nwidell, AnssiK, dom, darobin, Claes, fjh, Cathy, wonsuk, Deepanshu_Gautam (muted), richt
15:33:29 [Josh_Soref]: ... i don't know if Clarke is on the call
15:33:39 [Josh_Soref]: ... i don't know if there's anything to discuss
15:33:47 [Josh_Soref]: darobin: I don't think so
15:33:52 [Josh_Soref]: ... a lot of the action has been around Intents
15:33:56 [Josh_Soref]: ... and Battery and Vibration
15:34:02 [fjh]: zakim, mute me
15:34:02 [Zakim]: fjh should now be muted
15:34:08 [Josh_Soref]: ... before the call, I sent a draft of a Media Capture TF charter
15:34:11 [darobin]: http://www.w3.org/mid/22C84B78-685C-4B6F-85E4-A12BC073D075@berjon.com
15:34:20 [Josh_Soref]: ... another Joint TF
15:34:31 [Josh_Soref]: i/think so/Topic: AOB
15:34:34 [Josh_Soref]: ... we'
15:34:44 [fjh]: regrets from me for next week
15:34:49 [Josh_Soref]: s/we'/we're trying to get that off the ground quickly
15:34:54 [fjh]: zakim, unmute me
15:34:54 [Zakim]: fjh should no longer be muted
15:34:57 [darobin]: q?
15:35:04 [Josh_Soref]: ... The WebRTC people want to get it out early next year
15:35:22 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: darobin, can you send out the agenda for next week?
15:35:27 [Josh_Soref]: ... thanks Josh_Soref for scribing
15:35:29 [Zakim]: -richt
15:35:30 [Josh_Soref]: [ Adjourned ]
15:35:33 [Zakim]: -spoussa
15:35:34 [Zakim]: -Cathy
15:35:35 [Zakim]: -darobin
15:35:35 [Zakim]: -dom
15:35:36 [Zakim]: -nwidell
15:35:37 [Zakim]: -fjh
15:35:37 [Josh_Soref]: RRSAgent, make minutes
15:35:37 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
15:35:38 [Zakim]: -AnssiK
15:35:38 [Zakim]: -Deepanshu_Gautam
15:35:42 [Zakim]: -Claes
15:35:54 [Zakim]: -wonsuk
15:36:05 [Zakim]: -Josh_Soref
15:36:12 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, who is on the call?
15:36:12 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Clarke
15:36:18 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, end telcon
15:36:18 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'end telcon', Josh_Soref
15:36:21 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, end telco
15:36:21 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'end telco', Josh_Soref
15:36:25 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, help
15:36:25 [Zakim]: Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
15:36:27 [Zakim]: Some of the commands I know are:
15:36:29 [Zakim]: xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
15:36:32 [Zakim]: if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
15:36:34 [Zakim]: xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
15:36:37 [Zakim]: I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
15:36:40 [Zakim]: xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
15:36:42 [Zakim]: xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
15:36:45 [Zakim]: who's here? - lists the participants on the phone
15:36:48 [Zakim]: who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted
15:36:51 [Zakim]: mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
15:36:53 [Zakim]: unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
15:36:56 [Zakim]: is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
15:36:58 [Josh_Soref]: Zakim, drop Clarke
15:36:59 [Zakim]: list conferences - reports the active conferences
15:37:01 [Zakim]: this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx
15:37:03 [Zakim]: excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel
15:37:06 [Zakim]: I last learned something new on $Date: 2010/03/15 18:49:04 $
15:37:09 [Zakim]: Clarke is being disconnected
15:37:09 [Zakim]: UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
15:37:11 [Zakim]: Attendees were +1.289.261.aaaa, Clarke, +1.503.333.aabb, +46.1.07.15.aacc, spoussa, AnssiK, dom, +33.1.43.14.aadd, darobin, +86255662aaee, [IPcaller], +46.1.08.00.aaff, Claes,
15:37:13 [Zakim]: ... nwidell, Josh_Soref, fjh, Cathy, wonsuk, +86255662aagg, +44.208.144.aahh, richt, Deepanshu_Gautam
15:42:32 [Josh_Soref]: fjh: oh
15:42:39 [Josh_Soref]: so, one person asked me to make a change to the minutes
15:42:49 [Josh_Soref]: RRSAgent, bye
15:42:49 [RRSAgent]: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-dap-actions.rdf :
15:42:49 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Robin to publish Vibration FPWD [1]
15:42:49 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-dap-irc#T15-09-52
15:42:49 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Robin to prepare Requirements, SysInfo, Messaging, Gallery for shelving (wait for text from Deepanshu for Reqs) [2]
15:42:49 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-dap-irc#T15-17-25
15:42:49 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Robin to CfC Battery LC [3]
15:42:49 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-dap-irc#T15-33-04