IRC log of pf on 2011-11-10

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18:13:49 [MichaelC]
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meeting: Milestones Planning for IndieUI
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chair: ad hoc
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Time to start charter
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Time to FPWD
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Number of WDs
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Time to get implementations
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Time to develop test suite
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Comment processing time
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Ability to get comments before LCWD so don't have to do 2
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Ability to work in parallel on testing, spec development, implementation
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Distraction from other work (PFWG, real jobs, etc.)
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Impact on dependency with WebEvents
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WG size and communication quality, efficient discussions, ability to form consensus
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Chairs and editors able to stay present consistently
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Sufficient editorial resources
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== suggested timeline from Art ==
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a. WG end date 31 December 2014
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b. FPWDs 1 April 2012
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c. LCs 1 April 2013
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d. CR 1 Sep 2013
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d. PR 1 Dec 2013
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e. REC 31 Dec 2013
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== discussion ==
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value in having timelines that we're likely to *beat* not *miss*
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so FPWD in April makes sens
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+Rich_Schwerdtfeger
18:20:07 [MichaelC]
can do some test cases while working on spec
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but changes to spec change test cases, so don't plan for test suite to be *complete* until later in the process
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but e.g., 1 test per requirement
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desirable to have test suite ready by LCWD
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or CR
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have both Events and User Context specs to timeline out
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need to work in parallel
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18:26:15 [jcraig]
Rich: Accessible Portable Item Profile (APIP) http://education.state.mn.us/MDE/Accountability_Programs/Assessment_and_Testing/APIP/index.html
18:29:57 [MichaelC]
FPWDs at same time
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let's try to put them on similar timelines
18:30:15 [richardschwerdtfe]
Rich: and Access For All
18:31:41 [MichaelC]
though possibility could take longer in CR for user context
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so should plan on longer to PR for that one
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because has privacy and UI implications that could take longer to sort out in implementation
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which needs to be vetted through various communities
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so user context can go to LCWD later than events
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it will be easer to implement it when the events implementations are done anyways
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will make sure there are no dependencies in events module on the user context module
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Proposed FPWD for both is April 2012
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LCWD for events is April 2013
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LCWD for user context is August 2013
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after LC, need to process comments
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3 months for that
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and another 3 months for test suite
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hopefully can have the implementations (Apple & Google) pretty much ready by the time it goes to CR
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up to 6 months to do testing
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PR in April 2014
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Rec in June 2014
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For events, using same time calculations but offset by longer time to LCWD
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s/events/user context/
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-[Apple]
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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-Janina_Sajka
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Team_(pf)18:00Z has ended
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so CR in Feb 2014, PR in Aug 2014, Rec in Oct 2014
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Attendees were jcraig, [Apple], Janina_Sajka, Michael_Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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scribe: MichaelC
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