IRC log of htmlspeech on 2011-11-10

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zakim, this will be htmlspeech

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ok, burn; I see INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM scheduled to start 22 minutes ago

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Chair: Dan_Burnett

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Nov/0058.html

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trackbot, start telcon

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be

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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

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Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference

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Date: 10 November 2011

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+Dan_Burnett

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+[IPcaller]

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-Dan_Burnett

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+Dan_Burnett

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+Dan_Druta

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+ +1.650.253.aaaa

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zakim, aaaa is Glen_Shires

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+Glen_Shires; got it

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Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay

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+Olli_Pettay; got it

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Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay

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ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay

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+Michael_Bodell

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+Debbie_Dahl

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+ +1.818.237.aabb

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zakim, aabb is Patrick_Ehlen

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+Patrick_Ehlen; got it

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/me doesn't even have a chair

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Scribe: Patrick_Ehlen

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ScribeNick: ehlen

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Nov/0058.html

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Topic: Review of updated final report draft

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+Charles_Hemphill

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Report draft is in this email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Nov/0061.html

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+ +1.760.705.aacc

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Dan: Manually merged changed instead of applying add'l edits

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s/changed/changes/

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zakim, aacc is Satish_Sampath

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+Satish_Sampath; got it

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Issue 1

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Topic: Issue 1

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Glenn: Change in IDL in sec 7.1.4. resultDeleted event

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Glenn: There's also an event for this (SpeechInputResultDeleted).

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s/Glenn: Change/Michael: Change/

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s/Glenn: There's/Michael: There's/

17:11:58 [mbodell]

link to the section with most of the changes: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech.html#speechinputrequest-section

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Topic: Moving explanation of "final" to end of section

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Topic: Protocol issue 3

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Added Result-Index header field

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burn: changes are in a few different places; 1st in reco headers section.

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burn: now adds a # of 1-20 digits, and added a description

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Topic: API issue 3: Updated re-reco example to use Robert's new version

17:18:26 [ehlen]

all agree example looks good

17:18:38 [mbodell]

Link to new section on EMMA mappings: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech.html#emma-to-interpretation

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Topic: API issue 4: Wrote up the EMMA mappings. This involved a new section explaining the mappings and an example to illustrate it

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michael: explains mapping section and example added

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michael: in section 7.1.5

17:22:31 [burn]

this should be a static dated version of the current doc: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech-20111110.html

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smaug: Specify whether ? in emma spec is required

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link to emma element: http://www.w3.org/TR/emma/#s3.1

17:23:41 [ehlen]

can probably do just emma specification but leave out location and xsi

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s/? in/all the emma namespace stuff in/

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ddahl1: does not appear to be required

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charles: looks like xmlns:emma only can be used

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ddahl1: and the version

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s/version/emma:emma version/

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michael will drop the 3 lines assoc. with xsi stuff

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topic: API Issue 5: Brought back the grammar/parameter functions. This involved uncommenting the functions/explanations, adding a new one for grammarString, and renaming and rewording appropriately.

17:27:08 [mbodell]

Back to http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech.html#speechinputrequest-section

17:27:46 [ehlen]

Brought back some of the API grammar functions

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satish: seems fine

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+Michael_Johnston

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burn: On issue 5, there was another resolution on built-in default; still needs to be done?

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mbodell: yes

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satish: needs array manipulation funcs?

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burn: better to leave the way it is now; can revisit delete capability later on

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smaug: misleading names on 7.1.4.2

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e.g., "Speech Input Request" (w/ spaces)

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michael will do that

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s/michael/mbodell/

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Topic; API Issue 6: Shortend the naming of resultEMMAXML and resultEMMAText to no longer have the result. They would nearly always be referenced from result property anyways so this just changes result.resultEMMAText to result.EMMAText)

17:35:31 [ehlen]

no objections

17:35:37 [glen]

Add clarification at end of description of AddGrammarElement method. "Note that grammars can be removed through direct maniplulation of the grammar array."

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API Issue 10: Added text property to TTS with explanation and also included statement about xml:lang

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See section: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech.html#tts-section

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-Glen_Shires

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+Glen_Shires

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no requests for changes around text attribute

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burn: Section 7.1.3 language

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burn: language on "should use base64 encoding" is ambiguous

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burn: people can probably figure out when they need to use base64 in UA

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burn: those are all of the changes that have been applied so far

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burn: will have more time in next few days to work on it

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burn: practical issue: last date for call is next week

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burn: we could (a) end call now and make more changes; or (b) try to do them live now during the call

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burn: could also describe how everything gets done and reviewed

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MichaelJ: discussed EMMA mapping yet?

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e,,a at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech.html#emma-to-interpretation

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MichaelJ: wasn't sure about "Boston flight 311" and then interpretation being "Boston"; could probably come up with more clear string->meaning mapping

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MichaelJ: What is assumption on what ends up in interpretation?

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MichaelJ: So a DOM object is hanging off interpretation?

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mbodell: is "any"; could be EMMA literal, or XML DOM document

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mbodell: it's all javascript

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MichaelJ: Other case is where it's a JSON payload; so interpretation would contain JSON?

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mbodell: didn't have any mapping for that; only literals and xml

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MichaelJ: so we may want to consider having JSON within literal in CDATA

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mbodell: not CDATA; just a string

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<emma:literal><![CDATA[ {_cmd:"CALL",_obj:"joe_bloggs"}]]></emma:literal>

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-Satish_Sampath

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mbodell: these will be normal javascript properties

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mbodell: based on what's there, if you have emma:literal, you just get a string with that value

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MichaelJ: but there are attribs in EMMA 1.0 that describe what type of data you have

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mbodell: if you want to eval your content, you can do it in javascript

17:51:24 [ehlen]

MichaelJ: that's reasonable. could modify this down the line, but you can always eval or parse it

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For context the description og sting literal in emma is: http://www.w3.org/TR/emma/#s3.5

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s/og/of/

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burn: open again for use of remaining time

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ddahl1: is there a deadline for sending comments to list, and how should time be allocated in general?

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burn: editing references can wait until end (or even after)

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burn: if anyone had updates for exmaples, send them to list

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s/exmaples/examples/

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burn: a few other issues that require more substantive text:

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burn: such as text around issue 11 on bindings

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burn: understand that more work needs to happen here and there are gotchas

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11, 17, 18 related

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mbodell will take a crack at that

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burn: michael was also going to take issue 10

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Michael will also do 23

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22 still needs to be done

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burn will do 22

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mbodell already did 10

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burn: 8 and 13 are on switching to collections from arrays

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-Glen_Shires

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+[Microsoft]

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burn: good exmaple from Satish on making it look like FileList

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s/exmaple/example/

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MichaelJ: send example w/ literal w/ semantics

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s/send/sent/

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burn: aligning adjustment of requirements

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burn will take that one

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burn: how do we wrap up effectively?

17:59:00 [Avery]

Sorry I'm late

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burn: can contentful changes be done by, say, tuesday?

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burn: gives time for review by thursday

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burn: other option is a very slight extension to beginning of december

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mbodell: let's just aim to get content in by tuesday

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mbodell: other changes can go over email

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burn: would prefer that as well

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burn: sounds like it's just a matter of getting those changes in

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burn: next and finall call is in one week

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-Olli_Pettay

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I might be able to make it Thursday

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s/finall/final/

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-Michael_Bodell

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-Debbie_Dahl

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-Dan_Burnett

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-Michael_Johnston

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-Dan_Druta

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-Patrick_Ehlen

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-Charles_Hemphill

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-[Microsoft]

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INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Dan_Burnett, Dan_Druta, +1.650.253.aaaa, Glen_Shires, Olli_Pettay, Michael_Bodell, Debbie_Dahl, +1.818.237.aabb, Patrick_Ehlen, Charles_Hemphill, +1.760.705.aacc,

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... Satish_Sampath, Michael_Johnston, [Microsoft]

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