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14:55:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:54 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference
14:55:54 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2011
14:56:07 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has now started
14:56:15 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aaaa
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14:56:27 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:56:27 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:56:28 <Zakim> +Shadi
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14:57:09 <Liz> Zakim, aaaa is Liz
14:57:09 <Zakim> +Liz; got it
14:57:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:58:18 <vivienne> zakim, ??[IPcaller] is me
14:58:18 <Zakim> sorry, vivienne, I do not recognize a party named '??[IPcaller]'
14:58:35 <Zakim> + +1.978.443.aabb
14:58:38 <vivienne> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:58:38 <Zakim> +vivienne; got it
14:58:45 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:58:46 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
14:59:16 <Kathy> zakim, aabb is Kathy
14:59:16 <Zakim> +Kathy; got it
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14:59:54 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:00:22 <Zakim> + +31.30.239.aacc
15:00:22 <Zakim> + +1.510.522.aadd
15:00:31 <AmyChen> zakim, aadd is me
15:00:31 <Zakim> +AmyChen; got it
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15:00:47 <AmyChen> zakim, mute me
15:00:59 <Zakim> AmyChen should now be muted
15:01:01 <ericvelleman> Zakim, aacc is ericvelleman
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15:01:23 <Zakim> +ericvelleman; got it
15:01:57 <Zakim> +??P37
15:02:05 <Kathy> zakim, mute me
15:02:07 <Zakim> + +31.30.239.aaee
15:02:12 <ssirois> zakim, ??p37 is me
15:02:18 <houtepen> zakim, aaee is me
15:02:34 <Zakim> Kathy should now be muted
15:02:46 <houtepen> zakim, mute me
15:02:48 <Zakim> +??P43
15:02:52 <Zakim> +ssirois; got it
15:02:58 <Zakim> +houtepen; got it
15:03:05 <ssirois> zakim, mute me
15:03:09 <Zakim> +houtepen.a
15:03:15 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:16 <kerstin> zakim, mute
15:03:26 <kerstin> zakim, mute me
15:03:41 <Zakim> houtepen should now be muted
15:04:01 <Zakim> ssirois should now be muted
15:04:07 <vivienne> zakim, unmute me
15:04:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Liz, Shadi, vivienne (muted), Kathy (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, ericvelleman, AmyChen (muted), ssirois (muted), houtepen (muted), ??P43, houtepen.a
15:04:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute', kerstin
15:04:30 <Zakim> sorry, kerstin, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:04:34 <shadi> zakim, ??p43 is Kerstin
15:04:57 <kerstin> zakim, ??P43 is me
15:05:00 <Zakim> vivienne should no longer be muted
15:05:07 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:05:08 <Zakim> +Kerstin; got it
15:05:15 <kerstin> zakim, mute me
15:05:22 <Zakim> I already had ??P43 as Kerstin, kerstin
15:05:22 <ssirois> was darth vader i guess
15:05:28 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
15:05:36 <Zakim> Kerstin should now be muted
15:05:42 <shadi> zakim, houtepen.a is Wilco
15:05:51 <shadi> scribe: Katie
15:05:56 <shadi> scribenick: Ryladog 
15:06:01 <Zakim> +Wilco; got it
15:06:04 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:06:13 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:06:44 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2011Nov/0031.html
15:06:51 <shadi> chair: Eric
15:07:02 <shadi> agenda+ Table of Contents
15:07:06 <Ryladog> Chair: Eric
15:07:14 <shadi> agenda+ Specific discussion
15:07:22 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:07:22 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Table of Contents" taken up [from shadi]
15:08:10 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20111109.html
15:08:40 <Wilco> Wilco has joined #eval
15:09:03 <Ryladog> EV: Tried to add more explanantion for the Website Accessibility Evaluation Methodology for WCAG 2.0. Please try to review
15:09:32 <Ryladog> EV: Want to publish before the end of the year
15:10:10 <Ryladog> EV: We Want to be ready for WCAG and EART to review
15:10:20 <vivienne> q+
15:10:22 <shadi> s/EART/ERT
15:10:33 <Ryladog> EV: I will try to captutre all by next Tues
15:10:48 <Ryladog> EV: The send to WCAG as a First DRFAT
15:10:55 <vivienne> ack me
15:10:57 <ericvelleman> q?
15:11:01 <Kathy> q+
15:11:02 <kerstin> I'm fine with that
15:11:02 <vivienne> q+
15:11:05 <Kathy> ack me
15:11:06 <Ryladog> EV: Any Comments?
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15:11:41 <Ryladog> Kathy: Do we want to keep it general?
15:11:46 <Ryladog> EV: Yes
15:12:09 <Ryladog> Kathy: Do we want to re-arrange the order - did we do that?
15:12:17 <Zakim> + +1.514.312.aaff
15:12:27 <shadi> ack me
15:12:32 <Vincent_> zakim, aaff is Vincent
15:12:32 <Zakim> +Vincent; got it
15:12:34 <shadi> q?
15:12:36 <Ryladog> EV: I thougth we agreed to do a split - but we will do that later
15:12:37 <shadi> ack v
15:12:40 <Kathy> zakim, mute me
15:12:40 <Zakim> Kathy should now be muted
15:12:47 <Vincent_> Hi, sorry to be late
15:12:59 <Vincent_> zakim, mute me
15:12:59 <Zakim> sorry, Vincent_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:12:59 <Ryladog> Vivienne: How are we editing individually?
15:13:08 <kerstin> q+
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15:13:31 <kerstin> zakim, mute me
15:13:31 <Zakim> Kerstin was already muted, kerstin
15:13:37 <Ryladog> EV: I will add the text for how to do it. Please send an emailk to the list with your comments
15:13:40 <kerstin> zakim, unmute me
15:13:40 <Zakim> Kerstin should no longer be muted
15:13:41 <Vincent_> zakim, aaff is Vincent_
15:13:42 <Zakim> sorry, Vincent_, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
15:13:43 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:13:43 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
15:14:23 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:14:23 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:14:33 <Vincent_> zaim, mute me
15:14:36 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:14:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Liz, Shadi (muted), vivienne (muted), Kathy (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, ericvelleman, AmyChen (muted), ssirois (muted), houtepen (muted), Kerstin, Wilco,
15:14:40 <Zakim> ... Vincent
15:14:42 <Vincent_> zakim, mute me
15:14:42 <Zakim> sorry, Vincent_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:14:44 <Ryladog> EV: Other questions about doc so far?
15:14:46 <ericvelleman> q?
15:14:56 <shadi> zakim, Vincent is Vincent_
15:14:56 <Zakim> +Vincent_; got it
15:15:00 <Wilco> zakim, mute me
15:15:00 <Zakim> Wilco should now be muted
15:15:04 <Vincent_> zakim, mute me
15:15:04 <Zakim> Vincent_ should now be muted
15:15:12 <Vincent_> Thank you
15:15:13 <Ryladog> Kerstin: I don't understand the need for splitting the document
15:15:32 <Ryladog> EV: We will not do that now. We will make that determination later
15:15:45 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
15:15:59 <Ryladog> EV: Seperate documents may be a risk
15:16:14 <ericvelleman> q?
15:16:18 <kerstin> zakim, mute me
15:16:18 <Zakim> Kerstin should now be muted
15:16:25 <Ryladog> Kerstin: I am very fine with not seperating it
15:16:30 <Ryladog> EV: OK
15:17:30 <Ryladog> EV: I will add. Please be a bit more specific in your comments. Hopefully will finish it on Tues and Shadi will be able to put the new Draft on Wed
15:17:42 <ericvelleman> q?
15:17:56 <shadi> q- k
15:17:59 <vivienne> that sounds fine to me, Eric
15:17:59 <kerstin> dont unterstand why?
15:18:28 <shadi> ack me
15:18:37 <Ryladog> EV: There are a number of versions. What about that Shadi?
15:18:49 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/
15:18:57 <Ryladog> Shadi: There is a link for the latest internal verson
15:19:19 <Ryladog> Shadi: from that you can always go back to the previous version
15:19:46 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20111109.html
15:19:59 <Ryladog> Shadi: Eric will notify the list when there is a new draft, with a specific dedicated URI
15:21:06 <ericvelleman> q?
15:23:19 <Ryladog> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:23:20 <Zakim> I only see 2 items on the agenda
15:23:36 <Ryladog> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:23:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Specific discussion" taken up [from shadi]
15:23:55 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#changes
15:24:22 <Ryladog> Shadi: You can see the specs
15:24:37 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:24:38 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:24:39 <Ryladog> EV: Specific discussion in the mil
15:24:49 <Tim> zakim, mute me
15:24:49 <Zakim> Tim_Boland should now be muted
15:24:56 <Ryladog> EV: Section 7 needs much more work
15:25:09 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20111109.html#expertiseforevaluating
15:25:09 <Ryladog> EV: Lets start with Section 6
15:25:58 <vivienne> q+
15:26:09 <vivienne> ack me
15:26:13 <Ryladog> EV: I have a short description (from the evaluation suite). We need to add text for using persons with disabilities. Any questions about section 6?
15:27:01 <Ryladog> Vivienne: I think we need to spell ot out a bit more clearly for a person to be tasked as an expert. Difference between novice and expert
15:27:19 <Vincent_> q+
15:27:48 <Ryladog> Vivienne: You need a basic understanding of HTML, CSS, Code Validation, AT - we need to have a list in order to do a successful eval
15:28:09 <shadi> q+
15:28:13 <Vincent_> q?
15:28:24 <Ryladog> EV: I agree, but there is already a nice description in the eval suite
15:28:52 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:28:52 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
15:28:52 <shadi> ack me
15:29:07 <ericvelleman> q?
15:29:23 <Vincent_> ack me
15:29:23 <shadi> q+
15:30:04 <Ryladog> Vincent: I want to point out that we can have a questions that need some expertise in order to give an answer
15:30:36 <Ryladog> Vincent: We should explain that some questions need an expert and some do not
15:31:08 <Ryladog> Vincent: I think we should offer a way for the people who are new to make a first step into this process
15:31:54 <ericvelleman> q?
15:31:56 <Vincent_> zakim, mute me
15:31:56 <Zakim> Vincent_ should now be muted
15:31:57 <shadi> ack me
15:32:24 <Ryladog> EV: Maybe we did not explain well enough between the full and the quick evaluation - so for people who do not have alot of skills - we should point them to the quick eval
15:32:44 <Ryladog> Shadi: I agree with you and Vivienne
15:32:58 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/reviewteams.html#expertise
15:33:06 <Ryladog> Shadi: Recommended Expertise
15:33:56 <Ryladog> Shadi: For carrying out this methodology - use this list - 
15:34:06 <Ryladog> Shadi: This is still open
15:34:29 <Ryladog> Shadi: It is not really clear what we are suggesting here
15:34:57 <Ryladog> EV: I will provide information for people with less skills and a link
15:35:30 <Ryladog> Shadi: Quoted text. Lets check with Shaun. 
15:35:56 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:35:56 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:35:56 <ericvelleman> q?
15:36:08 <Ryladog> Shadi: Basde rwquirements - an evaluator with expertise
15:36:35 <Ryladog> EV: Section 6.1
15:36:56 <Ryladog> EV: Here I copied part of the Eval Suite
15:37:10 <vivienne> q+
15:37:19 <Ryladog> EV: Would this be enough - or do we need to be more specific or provide a link?
15:37:26 <vivienne> ack me
15:38:01 <AmyChen> q+
15:38:29 <Kathy> q+
15:38:39 <ericvelleman> q?
15:38:41 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:38:41 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
15:38:43 <Ryladog> Vivienne: We wnat to link to other resources but we want people to feel that this is a reource. We should provide guidance on how to include different pefsons with disabilities
15:38:45 <AmyChen> ack me
15:39:14 <Ryladog> Amy: I actaully like the section the way it is. I don't think we should use numbers on how or who
15:39:24 <Ryladog> Amy: Examples might be good
15:40:07 <Ryladog> Amy: Should the text include "if you don't have the expertise. See here"
15:40:13 <Ryladog> EV: I agree
15:40:31 <Ryladog> EV: Skills for evaluator
15:40:43 <ericvelleman> q?
15:40:46 <Kathy> ack me
15:40:47 <AmyChen> zakim, mute me
15:40:50 <Zakim> AmyChen should now be muted
15:40:51 <Ryladog> EV: I will try to provide more freindly text
15:41:07 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:41:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Liz, Shadi (muted), vivienne (muted), Kathy, Katie_Haritos-Shea, ericvelleman, AmyChen (muted), ssirois (muted), houtepen (muted), Kerstin (muted), Wilco
15:41:10 <AmyChen> q+
15:41:11 <Zakim> ... (muted), Vincent_ (muted), Tim_Boland (muted)
15:41:23 <shadi> zakim, drop ssirois
15:41:23 <Zakim> ssirois is being disconnected
15:41:24 <Zakim> -ssirois
15:41:35 <Ryladog> Kathy: Also, good to ask for feedback from current users as well as PWD
15:41:51 <ericvelleman> q?
15:41:59 <vivienne> q+
15:42:00 <shadi> q- a
15:42:07 <Ryladog> Kathy: Explain the more informal process - ask them for their feeedback
15:42:13 <vivienne> ack me
15:42:19 <vivienne> q+
15:42:21 <shadi> q+
15:42:24 <AmyChen> q+
15:42:25 <Zakim> +??P1
15:42:30 <ericvelleman> q?
15:42:32 <ssirois> zakim, ??P1 is me
15:42:32 <Zakim> +ssirois; got it
15:42:36 <ssirois> zakim, mute me
15:42:36 <Zakim> ssirois should now be muted
15:42:44 <Kathy> zakim, mute me
15:42:45 <Zakim> Kathy should now be muted
15:43:02 <Ryladog> Vivienne: I agree with Amy - newer website ask for feedback from users
15:43:09 <AmyChen> I think it was Kathy
15:43:25 <AmyChen> +1 to what Kathy said for me too
15:43:37 <Ryladog> Vivienne: If there is a link do you have suggestions 
15:43:42 <ericvelleman> q?
15:43:45 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:43:45 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
15:43:50 <shadi> q- v
15:43:52 <shadi> ack me
15:44:21 <Ryladog> Shadi: linking out to existing resources, how much oveflap do we want
15:45:08 <ericvelleman> q?
15:45:27 <Ryladog> Shadi: I think what you have copied is good - the Eval Suite should be suplemental - the most content should be in the spec. I will talk with Shawn about what is best.
15:45:46 <Ryladog> EV: I had thsat problem when writing this stuff
15:46:37 <Ryladog> EV: I was unsure about rephrasing text that has already been well thought out. But i think the recommended expertise belongs here
15:46:51 <Ryladog> Shadi: I understand the dilemma
15:47:24 <Ryladog> Shadi: Short sentence and then link to resource
15:47:48 <Ryladog> Shadi: Some amount of overlap may be necessary
15:47:49 <ericvelleman> q?
15:48:03 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:48:03 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:48:05 <AmyChen> ack me
15:48:47 <Ryladog> Amy: I agree - lets not repeat what is in other document. We encourage using PWD and then link to resoucres
15:49:01 <ericvelleman> q?
15:49:08 <AmyChen> zakim, mute me
15:49:08 <Zakim> AmyChen should now be muted
15:49:52 <Ryladog> EV: I have ideas for the text. At least for the first part of Sections - add another subsection as Shadi proposed. Add more direct links
15:50:52 <ericvelleman> q?
15:50:53 <AmyChen> q+
15:50:56 <Ryladog> EV: Lets stop here at Section 6. Review Section 7 if the idea is clear. Anyone have any ideas?
15:50:57 <AmyChen> ack me
15:52:26 <Ryladog> Amy: I think it is a hard question - scope for full or partial product
15:52:27 <vivienne> q+
15:52:47 <Ryladog> EV: In the document we are talking about full websites
15:53:04 <Ryladog> Amy: One could talk about what has been tested
15:53:14 <vivienne> ack me
15:53:21 <vivienne> q+
15:53:29 <Ryladog> EV: Maybe we should make that division in the document now?
15:53:49 <Ryladog> EV: Maybe we should discuss later 
15:54:16 <ericvelleman> q?
15:54:17 <shadi> q+
15:54:29 <AmyChen> zakim, mute me
15:54:29 <Zakim> AmyChen should now be muted
15:54:49 <Tim> q+
15:54:49 <shadi> q- v
15:55:13 <Ryladog> Viveinne: are we eval the inernet, intranet, extranet, etc. They will have very different sets of requirements
15:55:50 <ericvelleman> q?
15:55:57 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:55:57 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
15:56:00 <Ryladog> Vivienne: Identify the number of levels, whether they are starting from a base URI and going three clicks form thrre etc
15:56:00 <shadi> ack me
15:56:31 <AmyChen> q+
15:57:00 <shadi> [[Other target audiences of the Methodology include]] -> [[Other audiences who may benefit from the Methodology include]]
15:57:04 <Ryladog> Shadi: I think there is a misunderstanding of the scope of the target audience. Maybe we need to change that in Section C
15:57:31 <vivienne> That sounds better to me, Shadi
15:57:40 <Ryladog> Shadi: other audiences may benefit from....
15:57:44 <ericvelleman> q?
15:58:20 <Ryladog> Shadi: The scope for us is done completed website - not developing websites
15:58:24 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:58:24 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:58:26 <ericvelleman> q?
15:58:30 <Ryladog> EV: That would save us
15:58:35 <AmyChen> +1 to what Shadi said
15:58:40 <Kathy> +1
15:58:42 <Vincent_> +1
15:58:45 <vivienne> +1
15:58:46 <Ryladog> +1
15:58:47 <kerstin> +1 :-)
15:58:53 <Tim> +1
15:59:05 <Tim> ack me
15:59:25 <shadi> q- t
15:59:27 <ssirois> +1, new proposal is worded more on what i have understood of our agreement
15:59:53 <Ryladog> Tim: Are we specifically excluding third party content? And, are we excluding open sources?
16:00:25 <Ryladog> Tim: 1.Are we specifically excluding third party and user-submitted content?
16:00:37 <Ryladog> Tim: 2> Colaborative content
16:00:54 <Wilco> q+
16:00:58 <Wilco> zakin, ack me
16:01:02 <Ryladog> Tim: Are we going ti include these two ?
16:01:11 <shadi> zakim, close queue
16:01:11 <Zakim> ok, shadi, the speaker queue is closed
16:01:12 <Ryladog> EV: Not excluding
16:01:46 <shadi> ack me
16:01:46 <Ryladog> EV: It is something we will have to cover or look to WCAG
16:02:28 <Ryladog> Shadi: This is a tough question. The website owner has to decide what the evaluation covers
16:03:00 <Tim> zakim, mute me
16:03:02 <Zakim> Tim_Boland should now be muted
16:03:31 <ericvelleman> q?
16:03:44 <Ryladog> Shadi: The EM will just doicuemnt is this part of the evaluation or not 
16:03:49 <shadi> zakim, mute me
16:03:49 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
16:04:01 <AmyChen> ack me
16:04:02 <Wilco> zakim, ack me
16:04:02 <Zakim> unmuting Wilco
16:04:06 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:04:30 <Ryladog> Amy: 1. Otyher target audience. Not intende to be used for prodcuts in developement
16:05:21 <Ryladog> Amy: 2. Back to Tims question. What we do at Oracle - we own the whole product -
16:06:23 <Ryladog> Amy: Some third party content we can't controll - if accessible - we just warp it up - if there is a problem - we say that this contnet is not included in our conformance claim
16:07:11 <Ryladog> Wilco: Must evaluate full website. Different projects with different team. Different report for different teams
16:07:47 <vivienne> bye now
16:07:50 <kerstin> thx, bye
16:07:51 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
16:07:51 <houtepen> houtepen has left #eval
16:07:52 <Zakim> -Kathy
16:07:52 <Zakim> -Wilco
16:07:53 <Ryladog> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
16:07:53 <Zakim> -ericvelleman
16:07:53 <AmyChen> thanks everyone, bye!
16:07:55 <Zakim> -Liz
16:07:55 <ssirois> bye
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16:07:58 <vivienne> -vivienne
16:07:58 <Zakim> -houtepen
16:08:00 <Kathy> bye 
16:08:02 <Vincent_> Bye
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16:08:05 <Ryladog> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:08:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-eval-minutes.html Ryladog
16:08:06 <Zakim> -Vincent_
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16:08:31 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:08:52 <ssirois> ssirois has left #eval
16:09:06 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:09:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi (muted), ssirois (muted)
16:09:11 <shadi> zakim, drop me
16:09:12 <Zakim> Shadi is being disconnected
16:09:12 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:09:17 <shadi> zakim, drop s
16:09:19 <Zakim> ssirois is being disconnected
16:09:21 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has ended
16:09:24 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.301.975.aaaa, Shadi, Liz, +1.978.443.aabb, vivienne, Kathy, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +31.30.239.aacc, +1.510.522.aadd, AmyChen, ericvelleman, +31.30.239.aaee, ssirois,
16:09:28 <Zakim> ... houtepen, Kerstin, Wilco, +1.514.312.aaff, Vincent_, Tim_Boland
16:09:30 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
16:09:30 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:09:30 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:09:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:09:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-eval-minutes.html trackbot
16:09:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:09:32 <RRSAgent> I see no action items