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14:59:28 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:59:28 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
14:59:29 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:59:29 Date: 13 October 2011
15:00:16 zakim, who's here?
15:00:16 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:00:22 On IRC I see RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
15:00:43 zakim, this will be 2119
15:00:50 ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start now
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15:01:06 Zakim, call Mike
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15:01:14 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:01:31 zakim, who's here?
15:01:42 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:01:58 On IRC I see paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
15:02:18 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:02:24 zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
15:02:27 sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
15:02:35 ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM already started
15:02:51 zakim, who's here?
15:03:05 +??P51
15:03:09 On the phone I see ??P16, Mike, [Microsoft], ??P51
15:03:17 zakim, ??P51 is Rich
15:03:21 zakim, ??P51 is Janina
15:03:22 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:03:30 +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:03:32 On IRC I see paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
15:03:47 +Rich; got it
15:03:53 I already had ??P51 as Rich, janina
15:03:59 +paulc; got it
15:04:17 +Judy
15:04:22 Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
15:04:22 agenda+ Paul to explain escalation options for two current P1 a11y bugs
15:04:22 agenda+ Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage
15:04:22 agenda+ review bugzilla a11y-tf "needs info" bugs
15:04:22 agenda+ review other bugzilla a11y-tf bugs
15:04:23 agenda+ Other Business
15:04:25 agenda+ Identify Scribe for 06 October
15:04:52 P1 bugs: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&component=LC1+HTML%2BRDFa+%28editor%3A+Manu+Sporny%29&component=LC1+HTML%2FXHTML+Compat.+Authoring+Guide+%28ed%3A+Eliot+Graff%29&component=LC1+HTML+Canvas+2D+Context+%28editor%3A+Ian+Hickson%29&component=LC1+HTML+Microdata+%28editor%3A+Ian+Hickson%29&component=LC1+HTML5+spec+%28editor%3A+Ian+Hickson%29&component=LC1+alt+techniques+%28editor%3A+Steven+Fau
15:05:08 I am testing whether the long URL actually works.
15:05:15 scribe: janina
15:05:24 zakim, take up item 1
15:05:45 agendum 1. "Paul to explain escalation options for two current P1 a11y bugs" taken up [from janina]
15:07:15 paulc: Relates to WG Action-204
15:07:18 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/204?changelog
15:07:48 paulc: Sam got no response
15:08:06 paulc: Chairs have no consensus on escalation
15:08:25 paulc: However, bug originator has that authority -- to escalate
15:08:57 paulc: So, if disatisfied, originator can escalate to an issue
15:09:22 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13181
15:09:27 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13176
15:09:43 -Judy
15:09:44 +Judy
15:09:58 +[IPcaller]
15:10:20 +??P12
15:10:21 -Mike
15:10:22 paulc: Want to be clear I'm not telling anyone to do this, just laying out the option
15:10:31 Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:10:31 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:10:32 +Mike
15:10:59 judy: A bit confused here ...
15:11:03 Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:11:03 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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15:11:05 +Mike.a
15:11:25 +Cynthia_Shelly
15:12:07 -Mike.a
15:12:25 Description P1 bugs and their processing: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jun/0315.html
15:14:01 Zakim, call Mike
15:14:01 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:14:02 +Mike
15:14:08 Zakim, drop Mike
15:14:08 'Mike' is ambiguous, MikeSmith
15:14:09 -Mike
15:14:16 Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:14:16 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:14:18 +Mike
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15:15:31 janina: The problem for us is the desire to try and resolve how to move forward without getting into the world of cp's and counter-cp's, and surveys simply because the editor isn't responding
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15:16:16 zakim, who's here?
15:16:16 On the phone I see ??P16, Mike, [Microsoft], Rich, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Judy, [IPcaller], Michael_Cooper, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.617.615.aaaa
15:16:17 paulc: adding the tracker request means the bugs will likely be issues within a day or so
15:16:18 [Microsoft] has paulc
15:16:20 On IRC I see Judy, Stevef, paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
15:16:31 paulc: at that point the time clock on cp's etc starts
15:16:55 paulc: else, if we leave this to dec 31, which is the editor's deadline,
15:17:22 rich: we're also waiting on maciej response on draw focus ring, as he's asked for changes
15:17:43 - +1.617.615.aaaa
15:17:53 -Mike
15:17:54 Zakim, call Mike
15:17:54 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:17:55 rich: Maciej asked we split this out, our question is 'does it look OK'
15:17:56 +Mike.a
15:18:06 paulc: On that, I have no more I can add
15:19:11 rich: feel like we're squeezed in part because we're waiting a month for a response from one of the chairs
15:20:26 q?
15:21:44 janina: Think there are two things here getting tangled
15:21:55 agenda?
15:21:58 paulc: One is the process of bug handling then escalating
15:22:00 q+
15:22:17 q?
15:22:24 ack Judy
15:22:36 janina: Second is the attemtp to respond to Maciej's suggestion. Have we satisfied his suggestion? We're unclear and have no response on that
15:22:57 judy: Wondering if we need to revisit coordination
15:23:14 judy: Think Paul has been clear with us, but some of this goes beyond
15:23:52 judy: Suggest we assign this to us, myself, Janina, Paul, etc to take on a coordination level
15:23:57 RRSAgent, make minutes
15:23:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:24:06 -Mike
15:24:10 rich: How do I reopen Issue-131
15:24:28 paulc: Is this this topic, or
15:24:39 rich: Maciej says 'reopen issue-131' but i don't know how
15:24:48 paulc: Looking ...
15:25:31 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0138.html "Final decision on Issue-131"
15:26:07 paulc: Suggest an email publically saying why the request to reopen
15:26:30 Here is the link to ISSUE-131: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
15:27:00 rich: Will Maciej be on the WG call, I want to ask whether he's happy with the changes before I move forward with the request to reopen
15:27:12 paulc: Suggest as part of the a11y report
15:27:43 zakim, next item
15:27:43 agendum 2. "Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage" taken up [from janina]
15:27:45 -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:28:26 janina: Media subteam has not planned to meet for some time
15:28:43 janina: Media not currently active, though we need to ping on a couple issues
15:28:53 ... John and I have discussed a couple things we need to get together to talk about more, but we have not done that yet
15:29:13 judy: On text
15:29:14 http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-text-minutes.html
15:29:39 judy: New time not working, will try Tuesdays at 1PM Boston
15:30:10 judy: On longdesc, John has responded at length to Jonas
15:30:23 judy: Janina is completing a brief response on Matt's cp
15:31:14 judy: Maciej had suggested to fold John's content into Laura's cp
15:32:33 paulc: Don't think this is a chairs response, just a suggestion from Maciej
15:33:00 q?
15:34:18 judy: On meta generator -- Janina coordinating with Steve Faulkner's proposal, not yet settled
15:34:34 judy: On Table Summary, progress on expanded uses cases,
15:34:58 judy: the css generated content questin now morphing into something that PF will discuss with CSS
15:36:15 mike: Think Maciej's comment was simply his own suggestion
15:37:08 judy: Question we're concerned is whether our response to Jonas will be considered as sufficient group response
15:37:28 q?
15:38:05 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/notitlev2
15:38:41 mike: Next Bug Triage
15:38:49 zakim, who's here?
15:38:49 On the phone I see ??P16, [Microsoft], Rich, Judy, [IPcaller], Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Mike.a
15:38:51 [Microsoft] has paulc
15:38:52 On IRC I see Judy, Stevef, paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
15:38:56 leonie: Almost done with priority evaluation, we've changed two, I think
15:39:13 leonie: Next we go through to manage that there is sufficient info, etc
15:39:23 zakim, next item
15:39:23 agendum 3. "review bugzilla a11y-tf "needs info" bugs" taken up [from janina]
15:39:53 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=a11ytf&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=NEEDSINFO
15:40:49 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12964
15:42:31 Steve: Seems Silvia asked some open ended questions, therefore the current status
15:42:50 michael: Perhaps Silvia neglect to change bug status?
15:43:33 mike: Sounds right. I'm moving it to 'reopened'
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15:45:09 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11956
15:45:37 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11956#c12
15:46:23 mike: Editor says he doesn't understand the problem, where's the responsibility?
15:46:56 mike: This has been there awhile
15:47:19 steve: Feel like a continuing runaround
15:48:02 steve: Will look at it but feel it's something that won't be addressed, feels futilie
15:48:35 steve: Issue seems common sense to me
15:48:48 judy: Anything we can do to facilitate this?
15:49:15 judy: Seems we've a few issues today with "sand in the gears"
15:49:54 steve: Editor has formally objected to reversions
15:50:30 paulc: Both revert requests were reverted by chairs
15:51:19 paulc: Ian' has formal object to that
15:51:24 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/html5/spec/Overview.html.diff?r1=1.5345;r2=1.5346;f=h
15:51:44 Formal objections: http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/formal-objection-status.html
15:53:06 judy: So my suggestion is do the next step, with apologies that it's needed to be done
15:53:09 steve ok
15:53:31 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10784
15:54:53 mike: This is issue-32, where we have a decision
15:55:06 janina, also not favored in the TF
15:55:27 michael: We can't assume Gregory will be back in a time frame we can work with
15:56:49 mike: Suggest removing a11ytf keyword
15:57:22 janina, agree
15:57:31 [no objection on call]
15:58:31 zakim, next item
15:58:31 agendum 4. "review other bugzilla a11y-tf bugs" taken up [from janina]
15:58:39 zakim, close item 4
15:58:39 agendum 4, review other bugzilla a11y-tf bugs, closed
15:58:40 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:58:42 5. Other Business [from janina]
15:58:45 -Michael_Cooper
15:58:46 -Cynthia_Shelly
15:58:46 zakim, next item
15:58:47 agendum 5. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:58:48 -[IPcaller]
15:58:50 -Mike.a
15:58:50 -Rich
15:58:51 -Judy
15:58:56 zakim, close item 5
15:58:56 agendum 5, Other Business, closed
15:58:57 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:58:59 6. Identify Scribe for 06 October [from janina]
15:58:59 zakim, next item
15:58:59 agendum 6. "Identify Scribe for 06 October" taken up [from janina]
15:59:11 Steve Faulkner volunteers
15:59:15 zakim, next item
15:59:15 agendum 6 was just opened, janina
15:59:22 zakim, close item 6
15:59:22 agendum 6, Identify Scribe for 06 October, closed
15:59:24 I see nothing remaining on the agenda
15:59:42 ah, that should have been 20 October!
15:59:44 -[Microsoft]
15:59:46 zakim, bye
15:59:46 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Mike, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Rich, paulc, Judy, [IPcaller], Michael_Cooper, Mike.a, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.617.615.aaaa
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