IRC log of html-a11y on 2011-10-13
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 2119
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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- Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 13 October 2011
- 15:00:16 [janina]
- zakim, who's here?
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- WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has not yet started, janina
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
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- zakim, this will be 2119
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- ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start now
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- Zakim, call Mike
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- zakim, who's here?
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- WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has not yet started, janina
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- On IRC I see paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
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- zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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- zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
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- sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
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- ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM already started
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- zakim, who's here?
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- +??P51
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- On the phone I see ??P16, Mike, [Microsoft], ??P51
- 15:03:17 [richardschwerdtfe]
- zakim, ??P51 is Rich
- 15:03:21 [janina]
- zakim, ??P51 is Janina
- 15:03:22 [paulc]
- zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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- +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- On IRC I see paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
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- +Rich; got it
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- I already had ??P51 as Rich, janina
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- +paulc; got it
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- +Judy
- 15:04:22 [janina]
- Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
- 15:04:22 [janina]
- agenda+ Paul to explain escalation options for two current P1 a11y bugs
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- agenda+ Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage
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- agenda+ review bugzilla a11y-tf "needs info" bugs
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- agenda+ review other bugzilla a11y-tf bugs
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ Identify Scribe for 06 October
- 15:04:52 [paulc]
- P1 bugs: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&component=LC1+HTML%2BRDFa+%28editor%3A+Manu+Sporny%29&component=LC1+HTML%2FXHTML+Compat.+Authoring+Guide+%28ed%3A+Eliot+Graff%29&component=LC1+HTML+Canvas+2D+Context+%28editor%3A+Ian+Hickson%29&component=LC1+HTML+Microdata+%28editor%3A+Ian+Hickson%29&component=LC1+HTML5+spec+%28editor%3A+Ian+Hickson%29&component=LC1+alt+techniques+%28editor%3A+Steven+Fau
- 15:05:08 [paulc]
- I am testing whether the long URL actually works.
- 15:05:15 [janina]
- scribe: janina
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Paul to explain escalation options for two current P1 a11y bugs" taken up [from janina]
- 15:07:15 [janina]
- paulc: Relates to WG Action-204
- 15:07:18 [paulc]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/204?changelog
- 15:07:48 [janina]
- paulc: Sam got no response
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- paulc: Chairs have no consensus on escalation
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- paulc: However, bug originator has that authority -- to escalate
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- paulc: So, if disatisfied, originator can escalate to an issue
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13181
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13176
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- -Judy
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- +Judy
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +??P12
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- -Mike
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- paulc: Want to be clear I'm not telling anyone to do this, just laying out the option
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- Zakim, call Mike-goog
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike
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- judy: A bit confused here ...
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- Zakim, call Mike-goog
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike.a
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- +Cynthia_Shelly
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- -Mike.a
- 15:12:25 [paulc]
- Description P1 bugs and their processing: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jun/0315.html
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- Zakim, call Mike
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike
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- Zakim, drop Mike
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- 'Mike' is ambiguous, MikeSmith
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- -Mike
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- Zakim, call Mike-goog
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike
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- 15:15:31 [janina]
- janina: The problem for us is the desire to try and resolve how to move forward without getting into the world of cp's and counter-cp's, and surveys simply because the editor isn't responding
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see ??P16, Mike, [Microsoft], Rich, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Judy, [IPcaller], Michael_Cooper, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.617.615.aaaa
- 15:16:17 [janina]
- paulc: adding the tracker request means the bugs will likely be issues within a day or so
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- [Microsoft] has paulc
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- On IRC I see Judy, Stevef, paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
- 15:16:31 [janina]
- paulc: at that point the time clock on cp's etc starts
- 15:16:55 [janina]
- paulc: else, if we leave this to dec 31, which is the editor's deadline,
- 15:17:22 [janina]
- rich: we're also waiting on maciej response on draw focus ring, as he's asked for changes
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- - +1.617.615.aaaa
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- -Mike
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- Zakim, call Mike
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
- 15:17:55 [janina]
- rich: Maciej asked we split this out, our question is 'does it look OK'
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- +Mike.a
- 15:18:06 [janina]
- paulc: On that, I have no more I can add
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- rich: feel like we're squeezed in part because we're waiting a month for a response from one of the chairs
- 15:20:26 [MikeSmith]
- q?
- 15:21:44 [janina]
- janina: Think there are two things here getting tangled
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- agenda?
- 15:21:58 [janina]
- paulc: One is the process of bug handling then escalating
- 15:22:00 [Judy]
- q+
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- q?
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- ack Judy
- 15:22:36 [janina]
- janina: Second is the attemtp to respond to Maciej's suggestion. Have we satisfied his suggestion? We're unclear and have no response on that
- 15:22:57 [janina]
- judy: Wondering if we need to revisit coordination
- 15:23:14 [janina]
- judy: Think Paul has been clear with us, but some of this goes beyond
- 15:23:52 [janina]
- judy: Suggest we assign this to us, myself, Janina, Paul, etc to take on a coordination level
- 15:23:57 [MikeSmith]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
- 15:24:06 [Zakim]
- -Mike
- 15:24:10 [janina]
- rich: How do I reopen Issue-131
- 15:24:28 [janina]
- paulc: Is this this topic, or
- 15:24:39 [janina]
- rich: Maciej says 'reopen issue-131' but i don't know how
- 15:24:48 [janina]
- paulc: Looking ...
- 15:25:31 [MikeSmith]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0138.html "Final decision on Issue-131"
- 15:26:07 [janina]
- paulc: Suggest an email publically saying why the request to reopen
- 15:26:30 [paulc]
- Here is the link to ISSUE-131: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
- 15:27:00 [janina]
- rich: Will Maciej be on the WG call, I want to ask whether he's happy with the changes before I move forward with the request to reopen
- 15:27:12 [janina]
- paulc: Suggest as part of the a11y report
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage" taken up [from janina]
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- -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
- 15:28:26 [MikeSmith]
- janina: Media subteam has not planned to meet for some time
- 15:28:43 [janina]
- janina: Media not currently active, though we need to ping on a couple issues
- 15:28:53 [MikeSmith]
- ... John and I have discussed a couple things we need to get together to talk about more, but we have not done that yet
- 15:29:13 [janina]
- judy: On text
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- http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-text-minutes.html
- 15:29:39 [janina]
- judy: New time not working, will try Tuesdays at 1PM Boston
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- judy: On longdesc, John has responded at length to Jonas
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- judy: Janina is completing a brief response on Matt's cp
- 15:31:14 [janina]
- judy: Maciej had suggested to fold John's content into Laura's cp
- 15:32:33 [janina]
- paulc: Don't think this is a chairs response, just a suggestion from Maciej
- 15:33:00 [MikeSmith]
- q?
- 15:34:18 [janina]
- judy: On meta generator -- Janina coordinating with Steve Faulkner's proposal, not yet settled
- 15:34:34 [janina]
- judy: On Table Summary, progress on expanded uses cases,
- 15:34:58 [janina]
- judy: the css generated content questin now morphing into something that PF will discuss with CSS
- 15:36:15 [janina]
- mike: Think Maciej's comment was simply his own suggestion
- 15:37:08 [janina]
- judy: Question we're concerned is whether our response to Jonas will be considered as sufficient group response
- 15:37:28 [MikeSmith]
- q?
- 15:38:05 [Stevef]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/notitlev2
- 15:38:41 [janina]
- mike: Next Bug Triage
- 15:38:49 [Judy]
- zakim, who's here?
- 15:38:49 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P16, [Microsoft], Rich, Judy, [IPcaller], Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Mike.a
- 15:38:51 [Zakim]
- [Microsoft] has paulc
- 15:38:52 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Judy, Stevef, paulc, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, davidb, Joshue108, MichaelC, MikeSmith, janina, [tm], trackbot
- 15:38:56 [janina]
- leonie: Almost done with priority evaluation, we've changed two, I think
- 15:39:13 [janina]
- leonie: Next we go through to manage that there is sufficient info, etc
- 15:39:23 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 15:39:23 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "review bugzilla a11y-tf "needs info" bugs" taken up [from janina]
- 15:39:53 [MikeSmith]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=a11ytf&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=NEEDSINFO
- 15:40:49 [MikeSmith]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12964
- 15:42:31 [janina]
- Steve: Seems Silvia asked some open ended questions, therefore the current status
- 15:42:50 [janina]
- michael: Perhaps Silvia neglect to change bug status?
- 15:43:33 [janina]
- mike: Sounds right. I'm moving it to 'reopened'
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- 15:45:09 [MikeSmith]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11956
- 15:45:37 [MikeSmith]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11956#c12
- 15:46:23 [janina]
- mike: Editor says he doesn't understand the problem, where's the responsibility?
- 15:46:56 [janina]
- mike: This has been there awhile
- 15:47:19 [janina]
- steve: Feel like a continuing runaround
- 15:48:02 [janina]
- steve: Will look at it but feel it's something that won't be addressed, feels futilie
- 15:48:35 [janina]
- steve: Issue seems common sense to me
- 15:48:48 [janina]
- judy: Anything we can do to facilitate this?
- 15:49:15 [janina]
- judy: Seems we've a few issues today with "sand in the gears"
- 15:49:54 [janina]
- steve: Editor has formally objected to reversions
- 15:50:30 [janina]
- paulc: Both revert requests were reverted by chairs
- 15:51:19 [janina]
- paulc: Ian' has formal object to that
- 15:51:24 [MikeSmith]
- http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/html5/spec/Overview.html.diff?r1=1.5345;r2=1.5346;f=h
- 15:51:44 [paulc]
- Formal objections: http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/formal-objection-status.html
- 15:53:06 [janina]
- judy: So my suggestion is do the next step, with apologies that it's needed to be done
- 15:53:09 [janina]
- steve ok
- 15:53:31 [MikeSmith]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10784
- 15:54:53 [janina]
- mike: This is issue-32, where we have a decision
- 15:55:06 [janina]
- janina, also not favored in the TF
- 15:55:27 [janina]
- michael: We can't assume Gregory will be back in a time frame we can work with
- 15:56:49 [janina]
- mike: Suggest removing a11ytf keyword
- 15:57:22 [janina]
- janina, agree
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- [no objection on call]
- 15:58:31 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 15:58:31 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "review other bugzilla a11y-tf bugs" taken up [from janina]
- 15:58:39 [janina]
- zakim, close item 4
- 15:58:39 [Zakim]
- agendum 4, review other bugzilla a11y-tf bugs, closed
- 15:58:40 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 5. Other Business [from janina]
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
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- -[IPcaller]
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- -Mike.a
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- -Rich
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- -Judy
- 15:58:56 [janina]
- zakim, close item 5
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- agendum 5, Other Business, closed
- 15:58:57 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 6. Identify Scribe for 06 October [from janina]
- 15:58:59 [janina]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6. "Identify Scribe for 06 October" taken up [from janina]
- 15:59:11 [janina]
- Steve Faulkner volunteers
- 15:59:15 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 15:59:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 6 was just opened, janina
- 15:59:22 [janina]
- zakim, close item 6
- 15:59:22 [Zakim]
- agendum 6, Identify Scribe for 06 October, closed
- 15:59:24 [Zakim]
- I see nothing remaining on the agenda
- 15:59:42 [janina]
- ah, that should have been 20 October!
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- -[Microsoft]
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- zakim, bye
- 15:59:46 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Mike, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Rich, paulc, Judy, [IPcaller], Michael_Cooper, Mike.a, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.617.615.aaaa
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
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