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15:00:57 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
15:00:57 <ArtB> Scribe: Art
15:00:57 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0035.html
15:00:57 <ArtB> Date: 11 October 2011
15:00:57 <ArtB> Chair: Art
15:00:58 <ArtB> Meeting: Web Events WG Voice Conference
15:01:00 <Zakim> +??P10
15:01:03 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
15:01:05 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
15:01:05 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
15:01:09 <sangwhan> Zakim, ??P10 is me
15:01:09 <Zakim> +sangwhan; got it
15:01:29 <Zakim> + +1.781.993.aaaa
15:01:35 <ArtB> zakim, aaaa is Art_Barstow
15:01:35 <Zakim> +Art_Barstow; got it
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15:01:54 <ArtB> zakim, who is here?
15:01:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Doug_Schepers, sangwhan, Art_Barstow
15:01:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see smaug, RRSAgent, Zakim, ArtB, sangwhan, ted_, mbrubeck, scottmg, trackbot, shepazu
15:02:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:28 <smaug> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
15:02:28 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
15:02:51 <smaug> Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay
15:02:51 <Zakim> ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay
15:05:09 <ArtB> Present: Art_Barstow, Doug_Schepers, Olli_Pettay, Cathy_Chan
15:05:14 <ArtB> Topic: Tweak Agenda
15:05:20 <ArtB> AB: I submitted a draft agenda on October 10 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0035.html. Any change requests? The focus today is addressing comments for the Touch Events LCWD.
15:05:34 <ArtB> AB: we'll skip testing today
15:05:39 <ArtB> Topic: Announcements
15:05:43 <ArtB> AB: any short announcements today?
15:05:49 <ArtB> AB: re the f2f meeting on Tuesday November 1, I still consider its status as "undecided" but if we do meet that day it will be 9:00-12:00 maximum and we will have a teleconf bridge for remote participants.
15:06:05 <ArtB> AB: given there are only 5 WG members registered yet almost 20 non-members, it may make sense to meet for the first half-hour or so just to give people an update/status.
15:06:24 <ArtB> AB: Reminder: October 11 is the deadline for comments for the TEv1 LC
15:06:31 <ArtB> AB: The comment tracking document is http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TouchEvents-LCWD-13-Sep-2011.
15:06:41 <ArtB> Topic: Issue-21 and Issue-22 ; status of Cathy's proposals
15:06:46 <ArtB> AB: it looks like Cathy submitted changesets to address Issue-21 and Issue-22 so I think we can now close both of them (http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/21, http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/22).
15:06:54 <ArtB> AB: I already updated the DoC doc to reflect the WG and Commenter are in agreement (LC-1 and LC-2)
15:07:15 <ArtB> AB: thanks Cathy!
15:07:24 <ArtB> Topic: Feedback from PFWG on Touch Events 13 September 2011 draft
15:07:33 <ArtB> AB: the WAI PFWG submitted some comments and no one has responded yet http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0091.html so let's look at them and make some decisions
15:07:43 <ArtB> AB: LC-6 and LC-7
15:07:59 <ArtB> AB: we need someone to agree to propose text to address these issues
15:08:06 <ArtB> … any volunteers?
15:08:07 <Cathy> Cathy has joined #webevents
15:09:14 <ArtB> Present+ Sangwhan_Moon
15:10:08 <ArtB> SM: I will take an action to address comment #2
15:10:24 <ArtB> ACTION: moon respond to PFWG comment #2 (the editorial nits)
15:10:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - Respond to PFWG comment #2 (the editorial nits) [on Sangwhan Moon - due 2011-10-18].
15:10:37 <ArtB> AB: I would split comment #1 into 2 pieces
15:10:46 <ArtB> … one is a request for Primer doc
15:11:02 <ArtB> … and the other asks for a clarification re mouse events and touch events
15:11:21 <ArtB> DS: we mention that in the charter
15:12:18 <ArtB> AB: "The relation between touch events and mouse
15:12:19 <ArtB> events should be explained in more detail for authors who want to
15:12:19 <ArtB> achieve device independence.
15:12:19 <ArtB> "
15:12:26 <ArtB> DS: agree with that point
15:12:41 <ArtB> … but it is not something the spec should necessarily address
15:12:54 <ArtB> … e.g. this spec does not define mouse events
15:13:18 <ArtB> … and I think that is appropriate
15:13:45 <ArtB> … I do agree having a clear defn would be useful but it doesn't belong in the TE spec
15:13:58 <smaug> quite bad echo
15:14:03 <ArtB> AB: can you respond to that Doug?
15:14:10 <ArtB> DS: would prefer someone else to take it
15:14:17 <ArtB> SM: OK, I can take care of that
15:14:37 <ArtB> ACTION: Moon respond to PFWG comment #1
15:14:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Respond to PFWG comment #1 [on Sangwhan Moon - due 2011-10-18].
15:14:57 <ArtB> AB: do you have enuf info Sangwhan?
15:15:01 <ArtB> SM: yes 
15:15:28 <ArtB> DS: agree a Primer would be useful but don't think the TE spec should include it
15:15:40 <ArtB> s/Primer/Primer-type info/
15:15:41 <smaug> Zakim, who is noisy 
15:15:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is noisy', smaug
15:16:00 <ArtB> AB: ok, then we have a plan to address the PFWG comments
15:16:05 <sangwhan> Zakim, who is making noise?
15:16:18 <Zakim> sangwhan, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Doug_Schepers (8%), Art_Barstow (62%)
15:16:31 <ArtB> AB: Sangwhan, when can you address these Actions?
15:16:53 <ArtB> SM: I will try to get a draft out tomorrow
15:17:01 <ArtB> AB: OK, that would be great
15:17:22 <ArtB> Topic: comments from Greg Dennis
15:17:29 <ArtB> AB: during the Sept 20 call, we discussed <http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-webevents-minutes.html#item03> comments from Greg Dennis <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0065.html> and Doug agreed to Action-77 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/77
15:17:43 <smaug> The echo is really bad
15:18:00 <sangwhan> zakim, who is making noise?
15:18:11 <Zakim> sangwhan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Art_Barstow (5%)
15:18:24 <shepazu> action-77?
15:18:24 <trackbot> ACTION-77 -- Doug Schepers to reply to Greg Dennis table for each touch event type per agreement on 20-Sep-2011 call -- due 2011-10-10 -- OPEN
15:18:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/77
15:18:37 <ArtB> DS: so this is Action-77?
15:18:41 <ArtB> Action-77?
15:18:41 <trackbot> ACTION-77 -- Doug Schepers to reply to Greg Dennis table for each touch event type per agreement on 20-Sep-2011 call -- due 2011-10-10 -- OPEN
15:18:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/77
15:18:43 <ArtB> AB: yes
15:18:49 <ArtB> DS: not sure when I can get to it
15:19:04 <ArtB> SM: is this critical for LC?
15:19:15 <ArtB> DS: good point; we will go back to LC
15:19:19 <ArtB> AB: yes, that's correct
15:19:26 <ArtB> DS: I can point somebody to my code
15:20:31 <ArtB> AB: f.ex. http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-type-DOMActivate
15:21:51 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-types-list
15:21:53 <shepazu>  http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-types-list
15:22:27 <ArtB> DS: we can add the table
15:23:02 <ArtB> AB: the table will be normative I presume
15:23:11 <ArtB> DS: what is the LC#2 plan?
15:23:22 <ArtB> AB: I was hoping to publish it next week
15:23:35 <ArtB> SM: could this be easily done with ReSpec?
15:23:42 <ArtB> DS: I think it needs to be modified
15:24:21 <ArtB> AB: is it clear what Greg is asking for?
15:24:29 <ArtB> SM: yes, I think so 
15:24:40 <ArtB> DS: yes, I think we have all of the info
15:24:47 <ArtB> … D3E is more specific
15:24:56 <ArtB> … all of the info is derivable
15:25:17 <ArtB> SM: if I have an extra week, I can look into it
15:25:58 <ArtB> AB: can anyone else help?
15:26:08 <ArtB> SM: I can get something out by the end of next week
15:26:45 <ArtB> ACTION: moon create an input to address the table requested by Greg Dennis
15:26:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Create an input to address the table requested by Greg Dennis [on Sangwhan Moon - due 2011-10-18].
15:26:56 <ArtB> AB: I'll see if I can get to it sooner
15:27:19 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow try to help Sangwhan with Action-83
15:27:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Try to help Sangwhan with Action-83 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2011-10-18].
15:27:34 <ArtB> Topic: Plan for Touch Events LC#2
15:27:40 <ArtB> AB: I'd like to get a new LC published as soon as we can - Oct 18 if possible - and certainly before TPAC starts and set a longer term goal of publishing a Candidate Recommendation in November.
15:28:42 <ArtB> AB: based on the actions created today, it looks like a pub on Oct 18 won't happen
15:29:10 <ArtB> … but we can still try to get it pub'ed before TPAC
15:30:17 <ArtB> DS: last day to submit a pubreq before TPAC is Oct 25
15:30:24 <ArtB> AB: so that is still do-able
15:30:56 <ArtB> DS: I'll be offline on Oct 24 and limited availability next week
15:32:02 <ArtB> AB: it doesn't seem like that much work is needed to get LC#2 out
15:32:10 <ArtB> DS: yes, I think that's true
15:32:30 <ArtB> AB: I think we have a set of actions
15:32:35 <ArtB> … now we need to execute
15:32:44 <ArtB> AB: anything else on LC#2?
15:32:59 <ArtB> Topic: Any Other Business (AOB)
15:33:15 <ArtB> DS: I won't be available next week
15:33:44 <ArtB> … hope to talk to some Members about joining Web Events
15:33:56 <ArtB> … during my biz trip
15:34:03 <ArtB> AB: OK; good
15:34:19 <ArtB> AB: tentatively have a call next week
15:34:33 <ArtB> … and Sangwhan, please keep me posted on the status of your actions
15:34:35 <ArtB> SM: will do
15:34:58 <ArtB> AB: perhaps we can use email to synch up rather than have a meeting next week
15:35:04 <ArtB> AB: anything else for today?
15:35:10 <ArtB> AB: meeting adjourned
15:35:23 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
15:35:26 <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
15:35:27 <Zakim> -sangwhan
15:35:27 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
15:35:28 <Zakim> RWC_WebEven()11:00AM has ended
15:35:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Doug_Schepers, sangwhan, +1.781.993.aaaa, Art_Barstow, Olli_Pettay
15:35:30 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:35:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-minutes.html ArtB
15:47:22 <mbrubeck> oh, oops.
15:47:25 <mbrubeck> Sorry I missed today's meeting.
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15:56:12 <ArtB> zakim, bye
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15:56:17 <ArtB> rrsagent, bye
15:56:17 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-actions.rdf :
15:56:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: moon respond to PFWG comment #2 (the editorial nits) [1]
15:56:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-irc#T15-10-24
15:56:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Moon respond to PFWG comment #1 [2]
15:56:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-irc#T15-14-37
15:56:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: moon create an input to address the table requested by Greg Dennis [3]
15:56:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-irc#T15-26-45
15:56:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow try to help Sangwhan with Action-83 [4]
15:56:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-irc#T15-27-19