IRC log of text on 2011-10-11
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- 19:59:48 [Judy]
- zakim, this will be WAI_PF(Text)
- 19:59:48 [Zakim]
- ok, Judy, I see WAI_PF(Text)4:00PM already started
- 20:00:35 [Judy]
- agenda+ longdesc: progress on JS-response to Matt's updated proposal?
- 20:00:35 [Judy]
- agenda+ meta name=generator: updates? <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming>
- 20:00:35 [Judy]
- agenda+ table summary: expanded use cases? <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ReinstateTableSummary>
- 20:00:35 [Judy]
- agenda+ generated content: progress on discussions? <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13668>
- 20:00:36 [Judy]
- agenda+ bug 8645, alt text for images: confirm closed? <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645>
- 20:00:38 [Judy]
- agenda+ other business?
- 20:00:40 [Judy]
- agenda+ meeting time: Tuesday 4pm US Eastern OR is 1pm US Eastern better for UK & CET?
- 20:00:42 [Judy]
- (note upcoming end of daylight savings time, different in different countries).
- 20:00:44 [Judy]
- agenda+ confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn.
- 20:05:28 [Judy]
- zakim, who's here?
- 20:05:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Judy, ??P1
- 20:05:29 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Judy, janina
- 20:05:56 [Judy]
- zakim, ??P1 is Janina
- 20:05:57 [Zakim]
- +Janina; got it
- 20:07:48 [Zakim]
- +John_Foliot
- 20:09:30 [Judy]
- zakim, take up first item
- 20:09:30 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'take up first item', Judy
- 20:09:44 [Judy]
- agenda?
- 20:09:52 [Judy]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 20:10:08 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "longdesc: progress on JS-response to Matt's updated proposal?" taken up [from Judy]
- 20:20:31 [Judy]
- scribe: Judy
- 20:20:31 [Judy]
- js: Not yet. Haven't yet spoken with John.
- 20:20:31 [Judy]
- jf: When are issues going to be surveyed by the WG?
- 20:20:31 [Judy]
- jb: As Paul confirmed on the TF call, they will await our indication that we're ready to move forward on that.
- 20:20:31 [Judy]
- jf: Notes that Maciej suggest folding my comments into Laura's cp
- 20:20:32 [Judy]
- jf: I responded that might not be necessary.
- 20:20:33 [Judy]
- jf: Laura responded today that she would prefer not to.
- 20:20:36 [Judy]
- jb: I will confirm with Laura that we don't need to do that.
- 20:20:42 [Judy]
- scribe: Janina
- 20:20:49 [Judy]
- zakim, take up next item
- 20:20:49 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "meta name=generator: updates? <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming>" taken up [from Judy]
- 20:21:14 [janina]
- jb: Haven't seen any update from Steve or Janina
- 20:21:26 [janina]
- Janina Correct. Steve and I need to talk on this.
- 20:21:50 [janina]
- jb: Steve did acknowledge the feedback
- 20:21:57 [janina]
- janina: Will ping him
- 20:22:26 [janina]
- It is critical to note that supporting the accessibility of graphical images
- 20:22:26 [janina]
- always requires appropriate alternative content markup. In some cases, of
- 20:22:26 [janina]
- course, this means that images are marked "presentational," as with current
- 20:22:26 [janina]
- ARIA based markup, or with an alt null string, alt="", as from HTML 4. In no
- 20:22:26 [janina]
- instance can images without appropriate alternative markup be considered
- 20:23:05 [janina]
- accessible.
- 20:29:10 [janina]
- jb: Suggests suggesting the above to Steve.
- 20:30:04 [Judy]
- zakim, take up next
- 20:30:04 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "table summary: expanded use cases? <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ReinstateTableSummary>" taken up [from Judy]
- 20:34:29 [janina]
- janina: Lyn has provided use cases.
- 20:34:41 [janina]
- janina: I will go to this, but need to finish the response to Matt.
- 20:34:57 [janina]
- jf: Re improving table summary are we addressing discoverability and user interaction?
- 20:35:12 [janina]
- janina: We need to check that. Should do it as well as our longdesc cp
- 20:36:35 [janina]
- jf: Since html5 doesn't proscribe user agent behavior, we need to simply provide appropriate guidance elsewhere, perhaps from UAWG, PF.
- 20:38:18 [janina]
- janina: I will try and follow up with Josh directly.
- 20:38:24 [janina]
- jb: And Lyn?
- 20:38:34 [janina]
- janina: Will respond
- 20:39:50 [janina]
- jb: Perhaps a Zakim conversation?
- 20:39:52 [janina]
- janina: Yes
- 20:40:56 [Judy]
- s/a Zakim conversation?/a teleconference with you Lynn and Josh?/
- 20:41:20 [Judy]
- zakim, take up next item
- 20:41:20 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "generated content: progress on discussions? <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13668>" taken up [from Judy]
- 20:41:44 [janina]
- jf: No time for it yet ...
- 20:42:02 [janina]
- jf: Still confusion around this,
- 20:42:22 [janina]
- jf: We had a draft this week from Opera that used css for printing only
- 20:42:37 [janina]
- jf: Wondering if there's confusion among implementers of what css should be used for?
- 20:44:37 [janina]
- [discussion on whether css generated should be voiced, or under what circumstances]
- 20:46:19 [janina]
- janina: Noting that PF is requesting a meet with CSS at TPAC. Could address this then.
- 20:46:38 [Judy]
- zakim, take up next item
- 20:46:38 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "bug 8645, alt text for images: confirm closed? <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645>" taken up [from Judy]
- 20:47:02 [janina]
- janina: We closed this
- 20:47:25 [Judy]
- zakim, take up next item
- 20:47:25 [Zakim]
- agendum 5 was just opened, Judy
- 20:47:34 [Judy]
- zakim, close item 5
- 20:47:34 [Zakim]
- agendum 5, bug 8645, alt text for images: confirm closed? <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645>, closed
- 20:47:36 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 20:47:38 [Zakim]
- 6. other business? [from Judy]
- 20:47:44 [Judy]
- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 6. "other business?" taken up [from Judy]
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 7. "meeting time: Tuesday 4pm US Eastern OR is 1pm US Eastern better for UK & CET?" taken up [from Judy]
- 20:49:07 [janina]
- janina: I need to bring back our Title reconsideration CP for approval on TF Thursday
- 20:50:43 [Zakim]
- -Judy
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- -John_Foliot
- 20:50:46 [janina]
- zakim, bye
- 20:50:46 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Judy, Janina, John_Foliot
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-text-minutes.html janina
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