IRC log of rd on 2011-10-06

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Zakim, this will be 7394
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Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 06 October 2011
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Chair: Harper_Simon
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Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
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Agenda+ Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure -
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Agenda+ Formulate some of the questions and topics the chairs could raise on the panel
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Agenda+ Any Other Business
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zakim, save agenda
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ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to
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rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate sharper
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
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regrets+ Conway_Vivienne
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regrets+ O'Connor_Joshue
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regrets+ Vigo_Markel
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regrets+ Thiessen_Peter
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regrets+ Yesilada_Yeliz
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present+ Harper_Simon
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present+ Abou-Zahra_Shadi
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate sharper
15:00:14 [giorgio]
no we canot
15:00:14 [christos]
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15:00:49 [giorgio]
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present+ Brajnik_Giorgio
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15:03:27 [Mario-Batusic]
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15:03:31 [shadi]
zakim, call shadi-617
15:04:21 [Zakim]
sorry, shadi, I don't know what conference this is
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zakim, this is rdwg
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zakim, you are really slow today!
15:05:30 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()11:00AM
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I don't understand 'you are really slow today!', shadi
15:06:22 [shadi]
zakim, this is rdwg
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zakim, call shadi-617
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shadi, this was already WAI_RDWG()11:00AM
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ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()11:00AM
15:06:50 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; the call is being made
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zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:52 [Zakim]
15:07:17 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P32, ??P36, ??P56, Shadi
15:07:50 [Mario-Batusic]
Shadi, what is the entrance phone code? 7394?
15:08:02 [shadi]
zakim, code?
15:08:17 [Zakim]
the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, shadi
15:09:15 [giorgio]
it looks like being shadi; for me it's ok.
15:09:27 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
15:09:32 [Mario-Batusic]
I get every time error: this passcode is not valide. What is it?
15:09:34 [Zakim]
Shadi should now be muted
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scribe: shadi
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chair: simon
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15:10:22 [shadi]
ack me
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure -" taken up [from sharper]
15:10:56 [giorgio]
that's fine with me
15:11:02 [shadi]
SH: prefer to defer to next week
15:11:03 [christos]
15:11:14 [shadi] give all the editors an opportunity to discuss
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Formulate some of the questions and topics the chairs could raise on the panel" taken up [from sharper]
15:11:32 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
15:11:32 [Zakim]
Shadi should now be muted
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SH: questions for the panel from the symposium chairs
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GB: have to question that i think are important
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...certainly not the only ones
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...(1) who evaluates -- who carries out the methods
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...(2) how to estimate the error the metric does
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s/...(1) who evaluates -- who carries out the methods/...(1) how to measure the quality of the metric
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ack me
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zakim, mute me
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Shadi should now be muted
15:15:08 [shadi] dealing with validity
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...then another group of question based on the conclusions drawn from the metrics
15:15:42 [Mario-Batusic]
Unfortunately, I cannot get in call - will be in chat only.
15:15:48 [shadi]
...did you select particular websites based on that?
15:15:53 [giorgio]
i cannot hear anything anymore
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very clear
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ack me
15:16:13 [giorgio]
now i hear shadi
15:16:55 [christos]
15:17:01 [giorgio]
ok. very good
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zakim, mute me
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Shadi should now be muted
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SAZ: also thinking about applicability or maturity of metrics
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...are they ready to implement?
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GB: yes, how demanding they are
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...or how expensive
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ack me
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ack c
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zakim, mute me
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Shadi should now be muted
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CK: also wondring about the application of the metrics
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...can they be used in search engines? in other production chains?
15:18:55 [giorgio]
15:19:05 [sharper]
15:19:07 [shadi] they can be applied in real life situations
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ack g
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GB: do mean we need to qualify the scenarios in the metrics we use?
15:19:44 [shadi]
CK: no, asking the authors how they see their metrics be deployable
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...if they think they can be used in other applications
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ack s
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SH: also application parameters
15:21:09 [shadi] apt they are for large websites, or if they are for specific purposes etc
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...maybe a matrix of what coverage we have
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ack s
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GB: taxonomy of different metrics and implications when to use what type of metrics?
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SH: as well as the taxonomy, what parameters we think would be desirable for certain types of metrics
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...if it is automatable, longitudinal or generic etc
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SAZ: sounds like a matrix of metrics
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SH: also questions like "do think it is useful to have X-type metrics" and "if so, do we have any?"
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...identify gaps of areas where we have no metrics that address concrete needs
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...and identify metrics that are applicable to different areas like webapps, ARIA, etc
15:25:35 [shadi]
GB: can think of those as a particular questions
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15:25:47 [shadi]
...but leave open depending on contributions
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ack me
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ack sh
15:27:46 [shadi]
SAZ: would be a great goal of the consolidated report
15:28:09 [shadi] map out the demand/availability situation
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...but maybe not directly a question *during* the symposium
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...maybe need questions to help achieve this purpose
15:28:44 [shadi]
GB: agree
15:29:01 [shadi]
SH: yes, this roadmap for researchers and developers is important
15:29:45 [shadi]
SH: how many questions do we need?
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GB: around three questions?
15:30:32 [shadi]
SH: we have more than that but dependent on the type of submissions?
15:31:00 [shadi]
GB: yes, needs to be rooted on their particular experience
15:31:13 [shadi]
SH: do we need more discussion here or put on a wiki?
15:31:28 [shadi]
GB: put on a wiki and discuss more next week
15:31:49 [shadi]
SH: will start the page and put it on the agenda for next week
15:32:22 [shadi]
SAZ: or put on the existing page?
15:32:46 [shadi]
SH: might make page too long
15:32:54 [shadi]
SAZ: agree but make sure to interlink
15:33:10 [giorgio]
15:33:13 [shadi]
Topic: Advertising for the CfP
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SH: do we need more?
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...are they where they should be?
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GB: maybe send out a reminder two weeks before the deadline
15:34:52 [christos]
15:34:58 [shadi]
SAZ: will check with shawn on preparing reminder announcement
15:35:06 [giorgio]
15:35:07 [sharper]
ack c
15:35:18 [shadi]
...think the spread seems quite broad but no submissions yet
15:35:39 [shadi]
SH: usually on the night of the deadline
15:35:49 [giorgio]
yes, we can do that once we have the conference "program"
15:37:22 [shadi]
15:38:08 [shadi]
action: shadi look for possibility of reminder tools
15:38:08 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-4 - Look for possibility of reminder tools [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-10-13].
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iCalendar subscription for due actions
15:39:13 [giorgio]
gcalendar is ok with me
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google clanedar
15:39:38 [christos]
google is fine with me
15:41:52 [giorgio]
I'm fine
15:42:01 [shadi]
[discussion of combining tracker with google calendar for reminders]
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zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been Shadi
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WAI_RDWG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in :
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ACTION: shadi look for possibility of reminder tools [1]
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