13:28:53 RRSAgent has joined #gld 13:28:53 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-gld-irc 13:28:55 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:28:55 Zakim has joined #gld 13:28:57 Zakim, this will be EGOV_GLD 13:28:57 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 13:28:58 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 13:28:58 Date: 06 October 2011 13:29:25 scribe: olyerickson 13:29:43 chair: george 13:29:59 agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.10.06 13:30:50 TOPIC: Pre-meeting chat... 13:33:31 Zakim, what's the code? 13:33:31 sorry, olyerickson, I don't know what conference this is 13:34:16 zakim, this is GLDWG 13:34:16 olyerickson, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be GLDWG". 13:35:08 Zakim, this will be GLDWG 13:35:08 ok, olyerickson; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes 13:35:23 Zakim, thank you 13:35:23 you are very welcome, olyerickson 13:35:52 Zakim, do you have any easter eggs? 13:35:52 I don't understand your question, olyerickson. 13:36:02 Zakim, I'm sorry 13:36:02 I don't understand 'I'm sorry', olyerickson 13:51:06 Zakim, who is here? 13:51:06 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has not yet started, olyerickson 13:51:08 On IRC I see RRSAgent, olyerickson, MacTed, csarven, cygri, bhyland, danbri, trackbot, sandro 13:53:39 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 13:55:58 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has now started 13:55:59 +??P3 13:56:16 +George_Thomas 13:56:17 -George_Thomas 13:56:17 +George_Thomas 13:56:54 i'll dial in arrgghhhh 13:57:01 bkaempgen has joined #gld 13:57:19 George has joined #gld 13:57:26 stasinos has joined #gld 13:58:09 ZacharyWhitley has joined #gld 13:58:21 + +1.802.649.aaaa 13:58:33 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 13:58:35 zakim, +1.802.649.aaaa is olyerickson 13:58:35 + +49.721.aabb 13:58:35 +olyerickson; got it 13:58:41 MikePendleton has joined #gld 13:58:41 + +1.240.228.aacc 13:58:50 boris has joined #gld 13:58:55 zakim, who's here? 13:58:56 On the phone I see ??P3, George_Thomas, olyerickson, +49.721.aabb, +1.240.228.aacc 13:58:58 On IRC I see boris, MikePendleton, BartvanLeeuwen, ZacharyWhitley, stasinos, George, bkaempgen, HadleyBeeman, Zakim, RRSAgent, olyerickson, MacTed, cygri, bhyland, danbri, 13:59:03 ... trackbot, sandro 13:59:07 +davidwood 13:59:21 +Sandro 13:59:21 RRSAgent, pointer? 13:59:21 See http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-gld-irc#T13-59-21-1 13:59:28 zakim, davidwood is me 13:59:29 +boris 13:59:35 +bhyland; got it 13:59:35 zakim, aabb is bkaempgen 13:59:41 +bkaempgen; got it 13:59:41 zakim, aacc is me 13:59:45 +??P17 13:59:51 +ZacharyWhitley; got it 13:59:52 zakim, who is speaking? 14:00:05 Zakim, P17 is stasinos 14:00:15 bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds 14:00:19 sorry, stasinos, I do not recognize a party named 'P17' 14:00:22 sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ -- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.10.06 14:00:27 zakim, ??P17 is stasinos 14:00:36 +stasinos; got it 14:00:37 + +1.202.566.aadd 14:00:39 +??P19 14:00:50 Zakim, ??p19 is me 14:00:51 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 14:01:01 cygri_ has joined #gld 14:01:22 Yigal has joined #gld 14:01:23 + +91.80.49.06.aaee 14:01:32 + +44.776.871.aaff 14:01:35 zakim, qw3 is me 14:01:35 sorry, MikePendleton, I do not recognize a party named 'qw3' 14:01:48 + +1.757.604.aagg 14:01:52 George has joined #gld 14:01:52 zakim, aaff is me 14:01:52 +HadleyBeeman; got it 14:01:55 zakim, mute me 14:01:55 HadleyBeeman should now be muted 14:02:05 + +1.703.362.aahh 14:02:28 TOPIC: Chair ha started the meeting 14:02:59 TOPIC: New Members Introduction 14:03:04 GeraldSteeman has joined #gld 14:03:04 For new participants, welcome. Please see http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47663 to connect names, faces and affiliations. 14:03:12 q+ 14:03:21 ?? from IBM Research (India) 14:03:40 That is Biplav Srivastava, IBM Corp. 14:04:05 gatemezi has joined #gld 14:04:18 + +1.323.683.aaii 14:04:19 Stasinos Konstantopoulos 14:04:24 NCSR "Demokritos" 14:04:33 +cygri_ 14:04:35 hi all 14:04:37 zakim, +1.323.6833.aaii is me 14:04:37 sorry, Yigal, I do not recognize a party named '+1.323.6833.aaii' 14:04:40 zakim, who's talking? 14:04:46 zakim, cygri_ is me 14:04:46 +cygri; got it 14:04:47 q? 14:04:51 HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 17 (20%), +1.757.604.aagg (28%), George_Thomas (34%), boris (3%) 14:04:52 Zakim, who is here? 14:04:53 On the phone I see ??P3, George_Thomas, olyerickson, bkaempgen, ZacharyWhitley, bhyland, Sandro, boris, stasinos, +1.202.566.aadd, BartvanLeeuwen, +91.80.49.06.aaee, HadleyBeeman 14:04:58 ... (muted), +1.757.604.aagg, +1.703.362.aahh, +1.323.683.aaii, cygri 14:05:02 On IRC I see gatemezi, GeraldSteeman, George, Yigal, cygri, boris, MikePendleton, BartvanLeeuwen, ZacharyWhitley, stasinos, bkaempgen, HadleyBeeman, Zakim, RRSAgent, olyerickson, 14:05:04 ... MacTed, bhyland, danbri, trackbot, sandro 14:05:11 stasinos -> background in formal semantics 14:05:26 I encourage all new participants to update the Participants page so we correctly reflect your name in the minutes :-) http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47663 14:06:02 Note to all members: please update your W3C profile photos for upcoming f2f meetings 14:06:14 +??P53 14:06:14 TOPIC: Review of 9-29-2011 minutes 14:06:19 - +1.703.362.aahh 14:06:22 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-09-29 14:06:33 + +1.703.362.aajj 14:06:36 +1 14:06:43 Proposed: Accept mintes 14:06:46 If for any reason you aren't on the page (which is updated by W3C staff), please email GLD Chairs which reaches Sandro Hawke (W3C), George and me (the co-chairs). TIA. 14:06:55 +1 14:06:58 +1 14:07:06 +??P55 14:07:15 +1 14:07:18 Accept Minutes (no objections) 14:07:37 zakim, aaii is me 14:07:37 +Yigal; got it 14:07:41 TOPIC: Review of Charter Deliverables 14:07:55 SUBTOPIC: Community Directory (bhyland) 14:07:55 annew has joined #gld 14:08:27 - +1.703.362.aajj 14:08:32 * w3c membership not required to add info 14:08:38 Biplav has joined #gld 14:08:42 * commDir app in "beta" 14:08:52 zakin, who is talking? 14:08:54 George_ has joined #GLD 14:09:01 John has joined #gld 14:09:08 * login req'd; contact 3roundstones via link to get access 14:09:13 directory.3roundstones.net 14:09:36 q? 14:09:43 * contact bhyland if clarification of interface req'd 14:09:43 ack stasinos 14:09:49 + +1.703.362.aakk 14:10:02 q+ 14:10:06 * please use it and provide feedback 14:10:23 * release of this beta marks delivery of 1st deliverable 14:10:29 q? 14:10:59 +1 14:11:17 - +1.703.362.aakk 14:11:21 * sandro suggests, opening it up to everyone in group. +1 from bhyland 14:12:03 * gt: effort to 'converge' eGov and GLD effort 14:12:09 The only organizations who *have* added their info are: DERI, Mondeca, OEG, Ontotext, TopQuadrant, US EPA and US HHS … there are about 34 more organizations in this working group. I'll send login details to members by the end of the week per Sandro's suggestion. 14:12:48 Make that 31 other orgs in the WG. 14:13:20 SUBTOPIC: Best Practices Discussion 14:13:50 bhyland: lots of people, Michael has been busy (RD2RDF) 14:13:54 q+ 14:14:22 bhyland has action item to talk to john goodwin 14:14:35 SUBTOPIC: Tracker's items 14:14:46 Action 10 14:14:46 Sorry, bad ACTION syntax 14:14:46 action-10? 14:14:46 ACTION-10 -- Christophe Gueret to talk with Paul about provenance -- due 2011-09-29 -- OPEN 14:14:46 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/10 14:15:08 Action-9? 14:15:08 ACTION-9 -- John Erickson to plug in "seed" content re: pragmatic provenance into the Best Practices wiki -- due 2011-09-29 -- OPEN 14:15:08 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/9 14:15:55 Correction: Michael Hausenblas has been busy on R2RML and Direct Mapping which published as Last Call, http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2011/09/20/last-call-r2rml-and-a-direct-mapping-of-relational-data-to-rdf/ 14:15:55 Congrats to Michael for that work … so he got a "pass" on GLD WG Best Practices work (so what is my excuse?!) 14:16:03 olyerickson has not done anything on Action-9 14:16:26 MacTed has joined #gld 14:16:51 George's Action... 14:17:03 q? 14:17:04 TOPIC: Charter Item 2.3 (George) 14:17:07 q- 14:17:13 ack sandro 14:17:13 q- 14:17:30 Subtopic: Community Directory, main page is here, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Community_Directory_Discussion_Summary 14:18:03 TOPIC: Standard Vocabulary Discussion 14:18:08 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary 14:18:26 zakim, who is on call? 14:18:26 I don't understand your question, bhyland. 14:18:37 + +1.703.362.aall 14:18:41 zakim, who is on THE call? 14:18:41 On the phone I see ??P3, George_Thomas, olyerickson, bkaempgen, ZacharyWhitley, bhyland, Sandro, boris, stasinos, +1.202.566.aadd, BartvanLeeuwen, +91.80.49.06.aaee, HadleyBeeman 14:18:44 ... (muted), +1.757.604.aagg, Yigal, cygri, ??P53, ??P55, +1.703.362.aall 14:18:49 cgueret_home has joined #gld 14:18:52 hi 14:19:12 cygri: skos extensions and DDI (??) discussion 14:19:18 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ISO_Extensions_to_SKOS 14:19:35 * DDI -> std used in social sciences etc for data collection 14:19:51 * how to represent classfications systems in RDF 14:20:16 * some concerns re: expressivity of SKOS 14:20:44 DDI = Data Documentation Initiative 14:21:15 * example: some specification systems require multiple "levels" : sectors, sub-sectors, etc; other similar examples 14:21:37 * group looked at properties/classes that could me added to skos to capure this info 14:22:00 * group came up with small number of things that, if added, would allow SKOS to capture a large number of things 14:22:00 http://www.ddialliance.org/ 14:22:09 http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=20057 14:22:58 the turtle file is visible here - http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ISO_Extensions_to_SKOS 14:23:02 * created: short report, TTL file with extensions (not published), currently email discussions on how to proceed 14:23:36 * effect would be: publishers and maintainers of high-end classification systems would be willing to publish in RDF 14:23:41 +q 14:23:51 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 14:24:15 q? 14:24:38 ack bkaempgen 14:25:07 george -> actual proposed TTL is above ("ISO_Extensions...") 14:25:26 Q: What list is discussionon A: it's currently "private" 14:26:02 q? 14:26:11 ?? is working with MS student on related problem, would be useful to participate 14:26:24 q+ 14:26:45 ??+1 notes that some of this discussion will be happening on "Open Gov Vocab Mailing List" 14:27:34 ?? is Benedict (nick???) 14:27:46 ??+1 is Cory (nick????) 14:27:48 NB: The Open Gov Vocab mailing list of which you speak is a US only effort. I encourage broadening to the GLD WG if appropriate. 14:27:59 zakim, who is on call? 14:27:59 I don't understand your question, bhyland. 14:28:06 zakim, who is on THE call? 14:28:06 On the phone I see ??P3, George_Thomas, olyerickson, bkaempgen, ZacharyWhitley, bhyland, Sandro, boris, stasinos, +1.202.566.aadd, BartvanLeeuwen, +91.80.49.06.aaee, HadleyBeeman 14:28:10 ... (muted), +1.757.604.aagg, Yigal, cygri, ??P53, ??P55, +1.703.362.aall 14:28:20 q? 14:28:20 bkaempgen is Benedikt 14:28:43 +q 14:28:56 cygri: concern, will cuirrent ad hoc discussion participants need to sign up to a particular list? 14:28:58 Would the caller from Washington DC (aadd) and country code +91 please tell zakim who you are. TIA 14:29:04 * protecting inb0xes 14:29:15 q- 14:29:26 maybe discuss on publishing-statistical-data@googlegroups.com ? 14:29:51 +91 => Biplav (India's country code); Sorry for slippery fingers with RC chat software. 14:29:54 cygri: Q: how to delineate between "GLD WG stuff" and other stuff 14:30:21 zakim, aaee is biplav 14:30:21 +biplav; got it 14:30:26 q- 14:30:32 Suggestion: Use Usenet principles: if it becomes noise, create a new list... 14:31:04 Could the people having the party please mute??? 14:31:14 George: look at "vacbulary page" 14:31:17 zakim,, who is speaking? 14:31:17 I don't understand your question, bhyland. 14:31:23 zakim, who is speaking? 14:31:33 * what is the "list of things" that should be on the vocab list 14:31:34 bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: George_Thomas (93%), olyerickson (52%), ??P53 (23%) 14:31:54 POINT OF ORDER: George,are you looking ast a page? 14:32:27 George is looking at: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary 14:32:28 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary 14:32:29 We are talking about http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary 14:32:46 q? 14:33:00 +q 14:33:35 Volunteers to discuss Vocabs on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary 14:34:26 Q (bhyland): How to add? 14:34:45 q? 14:34:48 A (George): Now, edit via wiki (for now) 14:34:58 -1 to spec writing tools 14:35:15 hg is an epic fail in certain other WGs 14:35:35 1 to Wiki unil we have issues 14:35:52 ;) 14:35:59 I have a question - is "data retention" terms relevant for Vocabularies? Tax data, health records. 14:36:23 Missing from current list of Vocab: Provenance... 14:36:37 zakim, who is speaking? 14:36:47 olyerickson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: George_Thomas (4%), BartvanLeeuwen (65%), ??P53 (44%) 14:37:07 BartvanLeeuwen: how to express events in tiome 14:37:32 BartvanLeeuwen will edit wiki himself 14:37:45 happy to update GeoSpatial section 14:37:50 q? 14:37:52 Others in WG should edit wiki, add vocabs they think are "important" 14:37:54 q- 14:38:04 olyerickson will add Prov-related 14:38:15 q+ 14:38:27 +bkaempgen.a 14:38:56 Top-level link to W3C "PROV" WG http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Main_Page 14:39:21 cygri: Look at (our) charter, it is pretty clear on what is expected 14:39:57 * Minimum: look at each area, make sure we're "covered" by existing vocab work (or not) 14:40:52 +1 to cygri's understanding of what the WG charter suggests vis a vis vocabs. Keep it simple but useful IMO. 14:41:00 * In areas where there currently aren't W3C or other vocabs in use, make recommendations or highlight the concern 14:41:04 q+ 14:41:12 +1 to cygri 14:41:52 george: GLD Vocab "Summary" page is laid out based on Charter requirements 14:42:06 q- 14:42:11 ack me 14:42:21 george: Q: If something is NOT in charter, is it then out of scope? 14:42:31 -??P53 14:42:33 q+ 14:42:42 sandro: Chairs can determine/adjust scope but... 14:42:57 sandro: RE "recommendations," cannot exceed charter 14:43:27 cgueret_home has joined #gld 14:43:41 sandro: "cookbook" vs "recommendation" 14:43:51 george: Status of Cookbook? 14:44:05 q? 14:44:14 sandro: we can put advice about anything in the cookbook, but for full-force standards (W3C Recommendations) we need to stick to the charter. 14:44:15 bhyland/boris/michael: Cookbook Status 14:45:11 bhyland: "seed material" is material from LGD book (SPringer, in press) 14:45:16 +q 14:45:38 * in cookbook, approx. 15 vocabs req'd for use in gov't 14:46:12 bhyland: to add vocab in "cookbook" to wiki 14:46:42 Action: bhyland to add vocab in "cookbook" to wiki 14:46:43 Created ACTION-11 - Add vocab in "cookbook" to wiki [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2011-10-13]. 14:46:58 zakim, you are awesome 14:46:58 I don't understand 'you are awesome', olyerickson 14:47:11 ?? Q; private/public participation 14:47:20 There are US govt challenges 14:47:26 * in/out of charter 14:48:04 ?? is "Biplav Srivastava" 14:48:13 q+ 14:48:17 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 14:48:41 Biplav, charter is here: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter 14:48:46 I can imagine this (incentives) COULD be a kind of strategy listed in the Directory.... 14:49:04 http://www.nasa.gov/topics/technology/centennial/index.html as an aero challenge 14:49:04 ACTION-11 is for bhyland to add content for all "7 steps" including vocabulary summary for government. 14:49:06 q- 14:49:12 ack Biplav 14:49:31 ack http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ISO_Extensions_to_SKOS 14:49:34 Bart: Q: Participating in Linked Data Cookbook effort; no clue how to contribute 14:49:42 -q 14:49:46 george: talk to bhyland 14:50:10 bhyland is "yeast" for thecookbook (who's the sugar?) 14:50:47 george: In the context of the "Five Areas", is there anything obviously missing that needs to be dded 14:50:58 q+ 14:51:03 q+ 14:51:05 * for example: Vcard? FOAF? 14:51:13 q? 14:51:45 Cory (??): Fundamental units? 14:51:46 TOPIC: Cookbook - I agree to get the cookbook "starter yeast" put on wiki by Monday next week. The content I've prepared is peer-reviewed and may help to get the cookbook rolling in ernest. 14:51:53 Maybe also legislation? 14:52:06 Sandro: units are out-of-scope 14:52:15 http://schema.org/Person 14:52:26 (another option) 14:52:30 Sandro: Another contender is Schema.org (see above) 14:52:33 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 14:52:39 q+ 14:53:06 q- 14:53:18 There's a difference between "practical" vs "technically possible" ... 14:53:35 cygri: Don't forget about DCMI 14:53:41 out of scope - licensing, units, time - possible cookbook topics? 14:53:49 q+ 14:53:52 q? 14:53:52 +1 to DCMI (shoudk be a default) 14:53:58 +1 DCMI 14:53:58 ack me 14:53:59 ack cygri 14:54:06 ack bhyland 14:54:54 bhyland: suggest all in common use with guidance, esp. w.r.t. in'l requirements 14:55:12 q+ 14:55:47 bkaempgen: Are specific use cases required? 14:56:08 bkaempgen++ 14:56:36 zakim, who is speaking? 14:56:36 q? 14:56:43 +1 for use cases 14:56:47 gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.757.604.aagg (43%), George_Thomas (14%), olyerickson (52%), boris (20%) 14:57:45 q+ 14:57:53 Q: is it a way to check "w3c good standing work? 14:58:52 q- 14:58:57 q? 14:59:03 100% agree with George 14:59:53 q? 15:00:12 George: GLD can "collect" potentially useful vocabs 15:00:13 George: Would like to see the Vocabulary deliverables specify clear guidance for the 4 sub-deliverables so gov't has clear guidelines (to reduce ambiguity). 15:00:21 TOPIC: Out of time... 15:00:33 zakim, who is on call? 15:00:38 Scribe_next_week Tina 15:00:52 Upcoming Events: 15:00:59 * TPAC 15:01:00 I don't understand your question, bhyland. 15:01:11 arg! 15:01:13 I'd be happy to see whoever is coming to TPAC… Let me know if you'll be there! 15:01:16 zakim, who is on THE call? 15:01:21 q? 15:01:33 apologies for next 3 weeks 15:01:35 Meeting is adjourned: 11a 15:01:39 On the phone I see ??P3, George_Thomas, olyerickson, bkaempgen, ZacharyWhitley, bhyland, Sandro, boris, stasinos, +1.202.566.aadd, BartvanLeeuwen, biplav, HadleyBeeman (muted), 15:01:45 ... +1.757.604.aagg, Yigal, cygri, ??P55, +1.703.362.aall, bkaempgen.a 15:01:45 Thanks, George! 15:01:51 - +1.202.566.aadd 15:01:55 Yigal has left #gld 15:01:59 -Sandro 15:02:01 thx george 15:02:02 -cygri 15:02:05 -Yigal 15:02:11 -bhyland 15:02:14 -ZacharyWhitley 15:02:17 I'm alt for next week, so I'll stay on the line. 15:02:20 -boris 15:02:21 -HadleyBeeman 15:02:26 -bkaempgen.a 15:02:27 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 15:02:27 -??P55 15:02:36 -BartvanLeeuwen 15:02:38 - +1.703.362.aall 15:02:41 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:02:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-gld-minutes.html George_ 15:02:52 -stasinos 15:03:01 -biplav 15:03:57 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-10-06 15:03:57 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-10-06 15:04:19 http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-gld-minutes.html 15:06:18 What does trackbot do? 15:06:53 sandro 15:07:10 Sandro, the attendees are not listed in the auto-generated minites 15:08:40 George_ has left #GLD 15:08:41 -olyerickson 15:08:44