IRC log of webperf on 2011-10-05

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19:49:27 [trackbot]: Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
19:49:27 [trackbot]: Date: 05 October 2011
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20:03:15 [JatinderMann]: present+ Zhiheng
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20:04:19 [plh]: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2011/
20:04:46 [JatinderMann]: Let's discuss the TPAC 2011 conference.
20:05:17 [JatinderMann]: The Web Performance talk is on Tuesday, November 4th
20:05:33 [plh]: http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/#Schedule
20:05:45 [plh]: please register for the TPAC meeting!
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20:11:46 [JatinderMann]: I will send out a proposed agenda for TPAC, but for topics that I want to include are: operational discussion, moving Navigation Timing forward, requestAnimationFrame open items, What new areas to tackle, etc.
20:12:09 [JatinderMann]: plh: We need to have everyone register for TPAC. Use the link I sent.
20:12:23 [JatinderMann]: Arvind: What is the process for going to other working groups?
20:12:48 [JatinderMann]: plh: We can just drop by in other WG meetings. If we want to include items on other WG agenda's, we will need to email and ask them.
20:13:08 [JatinderMann]: Arvind: Do we have a link for list of people from our WG that wll be attending?
20:13:34 [JatinderMann]: plh: I will send out such a link. Currently, it's just me. But once we register more will be added.
20:14:52 [JatinderMann]: Alois: If we are planning on covering in depth, techincal discussions, it may make sense for dynatrace to come from europe.
20:15:18 [JatinderMann]: Arvind: Yes, it will make sense to have a technical discussion. If you want to add items to the agenda that we can cover, please respond to the proposed agenda mail.
20:17:03 [JatinderMann]: Arvind: Question for Philippe. We are making good progress on the current specifications. What is your opinion on updating the charter to add more items and continue to work on the existing items?
20:17:41 [JatinderMann]: plh: We are all for updating the charter. We will want to close on navigation timing. If we feel that we are making good progress on the current items, we can take on new items.
20:19:52 [JatinderMann]: Jatinder: Tony, did you get any feedback on the security review questions?
20:20:05 [plh]: Tracking Protection WG is meeting on Monday/Tuesday at TPAC btw
20:20:16 [plh]: as well as Web Application Security Working Group
20:21:48 [JatinderMann]: TonyG: Yes, there is feedback on the other threads. I will summarize the findings on the mailling list in a few days.
20:27:40 [JatinderMann]: Ganesh: I also have feedback on the security review that I can forward to the mailing list.
20:27:45 [plh]: for browsing context: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/browsers.html#browsing-context
20:28:11 [plh]: for fetch:
20:28:13 [plh]: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/fetching-resources.html#fetch
20:28:57 [JatinderMann]: Karen: Should we reference another spec or just redefine that behavior in our spec?
20:29:26 [JatinderMann]: Jatinder: If the definition is the same as another spec, we should just reference the spec. If the definition is different enough, we should write our own defintion
20:29:31 [JatinderMann]: plh: I agree.
20:30:05 [JatinderMann]: Karen: I agree that we shouldn't copy.
20:30:58 [JatinderMann]: Topic: oMoving Navigation Timing forward.
20:31:18 [JatinderMann]: Jatinder: Considering Navigation Timing spec has been stable in CR for a long period of time, two interoperable implementations exist and we have a complete test suite, we need to determine the next steps in taking this spec to Recommended.
20:31:26 [plh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2011Feb/0036.html
20:31:31 [JatinderMann]: ...The remaining work is to provide proof that our dependencies, WebIDL and HTML5, are stable or that the portion of these specs that we depend on are stable.
20:31:41 [JatinderMann]: ...Considering WebIDL is in (probably final) last call, we expect this not to be an issue.
20:31:53 [JatinderMann]: ...For HTML5, we will need to provide evidence that our dependencies are stable by showing that that portion of the spec hasn’t changed in a long time and give test cases to prove our implementations match the HTML5 spec behavior.
20:32:46 [JatinderMann]: ACTION Zhiheng to look at NT references to HTML5 and see if those parts of the spec are stable.
20:32:46 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-51 - Look at NT references to HTML5 and see if those parts of the spec are stable. [on Zhiheng Wang - due 2011-10-12].
20:32:55 [plh]: http://w3c-test.org/framework/test/nav-timing-default/single/test_timing_xserver_redirect/
20:34:00 [plh]: http://w3c-test.org/framework/details/nav-timing-default/test_timing_xserver_redirect/engine/trident/
20:36:14 [JatinderMann]: ACTION Jatinder to look into the failling IE tests in Navigation Timing
20:36:14 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-52 - Look into the failling IE tests in Navigation Timing [on Jatinder Mann - due 2011-10-12].
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20:39:02 [JatinderMann]: Jatinder: Another comment from Anne's email was to not use integer based constants.
20:39:38 [JatinderMann]: ACTION Jatinder to update resource timing constants from integers to strings
20:39:38 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-53 - Update resource timing constants from integers to strings [on Jatinder Mann - due 2011-10-12].
20:40:25 [JatinderMann]: ACTION Jatinder to update the resource timing abstract
20:40:26 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-54 - Update the resource timing abstract [on Jatinder Mann - due 2011-10-12].
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21:11:39 [plh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-test-infra/2011JulSep/0031.html
21:14:31 [plh]: http://www.w3.org/2011/08/browser-testing-charter.html
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21:41:18 [JatinderMann]: rrsagent, create minutes
21:41:18 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-webperf-minutes.html JatinderMann
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