IRC log of i18n on 2011-10-05
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-irc
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- trackbot, prepare teleconference
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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- Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 05 October 2011
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Oct/0000.html
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- rsagent, set logs world-visible
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- rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- Regrets: Mati, Aharon
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- zakim, dial richard
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
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- +Richard
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- +??P5
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- +Addison_Phillips
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- zakim, drop richard
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- Richard is being disconnected
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- -Richard
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- zakim, dial richard
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- +Richard
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- zakim, ??P5 is me
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- +matial; got it
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- zakim, who's here ?
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- On the phone I see Richard, Addison_Phillips, matial
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- On IRC I see David, matial, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
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- + +44.141.888.aaaa
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- +[Microsoft]
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- zakim, gwyneth is Gwyneth
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- +Gwyneth; got it
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- Topic: agenda
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- Topic: Action Items
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- http://www.inter-locale.com/whitepaper/charmod-norm-draft.html
- 15:05:17 [David]
- zakim, mute me
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- David should now be muted
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- close ACTION-46
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- ACTION-46 Dump charmod-norm and add disclaimer paragraph, dates, etc. so that we can publish an interim working draft closed
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- close ACTION-53
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- ACTION-53 Create working draft of TAG finding document closed
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- +??P39
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- zakim, ??p39 is me
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- +kojiishi; got it
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- close ACTION-71
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- ACTION-71 Publish articles on language tagging in HTML closed
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- Topic: Info Share
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- koji: text/glyph orientation, unicode has proposal on that
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- ... queried about hangul on public list
- 15:07:38 [kojiishi]
- http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr50/
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- ... but new UTR will be interesting
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- koji: please watch css mailing list for discussion of text-orientation
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- gwyneth: applies only to CJ(K) ?
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- addison: TAUS keynote
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- http://www.multilingualweb.eu/en/documents/madrid-workshop/madrid-workshop-report
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- http://www.multilingualweb.eu/en/documents/pisa-workshop/pisa-workshop-report
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:12:42 [David]
- zakim, unmute me
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- David should no longer be muted
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- richard: EC project called "LT Web" looks to start in january
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- ... and they are going to call it the "Multilingual Web WG"
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- ... and that's the project name too
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- ... continuation of ongoing project
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- ... address specific things in ongoing projectr
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- ... but main emphasis of WG will be ITS, standards related to metadata for localization workflow
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- ... so making you aware
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- ... under our I18N Activity
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- Topic: what time is this meeting at?
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- David: will organize
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- ACTION: David: poll WG for post-DST/Summer change time for call
- 15:15:45 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-73 - Poll WG for post-DST/Summer change time for call [on David Clarke - due 2011-10-12].
- 15:16:07 [David]
- zakim, mute me
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- David should now be muted
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- Topic: Richard's Interlude
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- richard: home page for i18n has changed
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- ... shouldn't notice
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- ... now it is a wordpress blog
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- ... maybe wordpress will appeal to you more?
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- Topic: TPAC agenda planning
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- http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/
- 15:18:14 [David]
- I almost certainly won't make it to TPAC
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- addison: summary of what's going on, observer, etc.
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- richard: do we need a room?
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- koji: will attend, but in CSS
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- Topic: Normalization
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- http://www.inter-locale.com/whitepaper/charmod-norm-draft.html
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- This is an updated W3C Working Draft of this document. The purpose of publishing a new Working Draft at this time is to inform users of the Working Group's intention to significantly change the recommendations regarding normalization. The intention is to replace with with a document based on the Internationalization Core Working Group's consensus position at some time in the very near future.
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- richard: bold with more emphasis
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- richard: document isn't valid, needs doctype
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- ... need validationj
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- ... graphics missing
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- addison: pubrules validatoin?
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- html validation
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- css validation
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- checklinks
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- pubrules
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- ff webdev addon for checklinks
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- ACTION: addison: prep charmod-norm for publication and coordinate with richard
- 15:29:06 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-74 - Prep charmod-norm for publication and coordinate with richard [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-10-12].
- 15:30:19 [aphillip]
- chair: should we publish the new WD of charmod-norm?
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- addison: yes
- 15:30:39 [David]
- yes
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- no pb
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- richard: yes, after running tests and sorting status
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- koji: yes
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- gwyneth: okay
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- richard: change para about publishing as REC
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- discussion with TAG at TPAC about this to indicate clear direction; goal is rapid replacement of this with something useful
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- Topic: HTML5 and other reviews
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- addison: should we escalate <rb> back to tracker?
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830
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- chair: escalate?
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- addison: yes
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- koji: agree with addison
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- ACTION: addison: escalate HTML5 bug 10830 to tracker
- 15:38:59 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-75 - Escalate HTML5 bug 10830 to tracker [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-10-12].
- 15:39:28 [aphillip]
- <q> tag: Ian wants block of styles to include in spec
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- richard: not, for example, asking for hypehantion dictionaries for all languages, so why should this be different?
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- addison: hard to change once in document, then you have disparate references in different places... :-(
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: ask for evidence that browser developers want a list (in preference to using a list in CLDR)
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- ACTION: addison: request evidence that browser developers want a list of styles in preference to a normative reference to CLDR for <q> tag implementation
- 15:43:15 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-76 - Request evidence that browser developers want a list of styles in preference to a normative reference to CLDR for <q> tag implementation [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-10-12].
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- Topic: AOB?
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- richard: 2nd edition of JLReq soon to be published for review
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:45:34 [David]
- bye all
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- -Gwyneth
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- -kojiishi
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- -matial
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- -David
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see Richard, Addison_Phillips
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- On IRC I see kojiishi, Gwyneth, matial, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
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- -Addison_Phillips
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- disconnecting the lone participant, Richard, in I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
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- I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Richard, Addison_Phillips, matial, +44.141.888.aaaa, David, Gwyneth, kojiishi
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html r12a
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- zakim, bye
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- Zakim has left #i18n
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: David: poll WG for post-DST/Summer change time for call [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-irc#T15-15-45
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- ACTION: addison: prep charmod-norm for publication and coordinate with richard [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-irc#T15-29-05
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- ACTION: addison: escalate HTML5 bug 10830 to tracker [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-irc#T15-38-59
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- ACTION: addison: request evidence that browser developers want a list of styles in preference to a normative reference to CLDR for <q> tag implementation [4]
- 16:34:34 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-irc#T15-43-15