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14:50:30 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:50:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:50:34 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:50:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
14:50:35 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
14:50:36 <trackbot> Date: 05 October 2011
14:51:04 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Oct/0000.html
14:51:09 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:51:16 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:51:24 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:51:24 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:51:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:51:47 <aphillip> rsagent, set logs world-visible
14:51:56 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:52:04 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:52:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:52:34 <aphillip> Regrets: Mati, Aharon
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14:59:54 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
14:59:54 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:59:55 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
14:59:56 <Zakim> +Richard
15:00:13 <Zakim> +??P5
15:00:17 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
15:00:24 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
15:00:24 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:00:26 <Zakim> -Richard
15:00:29 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:00:29 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:00:30 <Zakim> +Richard
15:00:42 <matial> zakim, ??P5 is me
15:00:42 <Zakim> +matial; got it
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15:01:06 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
15:01:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, Addison_Phillips, matial
15:01:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see David, matial, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
15:02:32 <Zakim> + +44.141.888.aaaa
15:02:32 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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15:03:39 <aphillip> zakim, gwyneth is Gwyneth
15:03:41 <Zakim> +Gwyneth; got it
15:04:15 <aphillip> Topic: agenda
15:04:35 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:02 <kojiishi> kojiishi has joined #i18n
15:05:13 <aphillip> http://www.inter-locale.com/whitepaper/charmod-norm-draft.html
15:05:17 <David> zakim, mute me
15:05:17 <Zakim> David should now be muted
15:05:29 <aphillip> close ACTION-46
15:05:29 <trackbot> ACTION-46 Dump charmod-norm and add disclaimer paragraph, dates, etc. so that we can publish an interim working draft closed
15:05:48 <aphillip> close ACTION-53
15:05:48 <trackbot> ACTION-53 Create working draft of TAG finding document closed
15:06:05 <Zakim> +??P39
15:06:17 <kojiishi> zakim, ??p39 is me
15:06:17 <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
15:06:19 <aphillip> close ACTION-71
15:06:19 <trackbot> ACTION-71 Publish articles on language tagging in HTML closed
15:06:43 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:07:20 <aphillip> koji: text/glyph orientation, unicode has proposal on that
15:07:30 <aphillip> ... queried about hangul on public list
15:07:38 <kojiishi> http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr50/
15:07:38 <aphillip> ... but new UTR will be interesting
15:07:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:09:03 <aphillip> koji: please watch css mailing list for discussion of text-orientation
15:09:17 <aphillip> gwyneth: applies only to CJ(K) ?
15:10:56 <aphillip> addison: TAUS keynote
15:11:56 <r12a> http://www.multilingualweb.eu/en/documents/madrid-workshop/madrid-workshop-report
15:12:05 <r12a> http://www.multilingualweb.eu/en/documents/pisa-workshop/pisa-workshop-report
15:12:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:12:42 <David> zakim, unmute me
15:12:42 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
15:13:12 <aphillip> richard: EC project called "LT Web" looks to start in january
15:13:29 <aphillip> ... and they are going to call it the "Multilingual Web WG"
15:13:35 <aphillip> ... and that's the project name too
15:13:41 <aphillip> ... continuation of ongoing project
15:14:06 <aphillip> ... address specific things in ongoing projectr
15:14:30 <aphillip> ... but main emphasis of WG will be ITS, standards related to metadata for localization workflow
15:14:34 <aphillip> ... so making you aware
15:14:42 <aphillip> ... under our I18N Activity
15:15:11 <aphillip> Topic: what time is this meeting at?
15:15:15 <aphillip> David: will organize
15:15:45 <aphillip> ACTION: David: poll WG for post-DST/Summer change time for call
15:15:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Poll WG for post-DST/Summer change time for call [on David Clarke - due 2011-10-12].
15:16:07 <David> zakim, mute me
15:16:07 <Zakim> David should now be muted
15:16:08 <aphillip> Topic: Richard's Interlude
15:16:14 <aphillip> richard: home page for i18n has changed
15:16:17 <aphillip> ... shouldn't notice
15:16:24 <aphillip> ... now it is a wordpress blog
15:16:40 <aphillip> ... maybe wordpress will appeal to you more?
15:16:57 <aphillip> Topic: TPAC agenda planning
15:17:08 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/
15:18:14 <David> I almost certainly won't make it to TPAC
15:18:25 <aphillip> addison: summary of what's going on, observer, etc.
15:18:33 <aphillip> richard: do we need a room?
15:18:53 <aphillip> koji: will attend, but in CSS
15:21:11 <aphillip> Topic: Normalization
15:21:28 <aphillip> http://www.inter-locale.com/whitepaper/charmod-norm-draft.html
15:22:05 <aphillip> This is an updated W3C Working Draft of this document. The purpose of publishing a new Working Draft at this time is to inform users of the Working Group's intention to significantly change the recommendations regarding normalization. The intention is to replace with with a document based on the Internationalization Core Working Group's consensus position at some time in the very near future.
15:22:55 <aphillip> richard: bold with more emphasis
15:23:08 <aphillip> richard: document isn't valid, needs doctype
15:24:26 <aphillip> ... need validationj
15:25:05 <aphillip> ... graphics missing
15:25:14 <aphillip> addison: pubrules validatoin?
15:26:13 <r12a> html validation
15:26:16 <r12a> css validation
15:26:25 <r12a> checklinks
15:26:38 <r12a> pubrules
15:26:50 <aphillip> ff webdev addon for checklinks
15:29:05 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: prep charmod-norm for publication and coordinate with richard
15:29:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Prep charmod-norm for publication and coordinate with richard [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-10-12].
15:30:19 <aphillip> chair: should we publish the new WD of charmod-norm?
15:30:34 <aphillip> addison: yes
15:30:39 <David> yes
15:30:42 <matial> no pb
15:30:52 <r12a> richard: yes, after running tests and sorting status
15:31:50 <aphillip> koji: yes
15:31:56 <aphillip> gwyneth: okay
15:32:04 <aphillip> richard: change para about publishing as REC
15:33:40 <aphillip> discussion with TAG at TPAC about this to indicate clear direction; goal is rapid replacement of this with something useful
15:33:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:34:12 <aphillip> Topic: HTML5 and other reviews
15:34:49 <aphillip> addison: should we escalate <rb> back to tracker?
15:36:31 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830
15:38:29 <aphillip> chair: escalate?
15:38:32 <aphillip> addison: yes
15:38:38 <aphillip> koji: agree with addison
15:38:59 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: escalate HTML5 bug 10830 to tracker
15:38:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Escalate HTML5 bug 10830 to tracker [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-10-12].
15:39:28 <aphillip> <q> tag: Ian wants block of styles to include in spec
15:40:33 <aphillip> richard: not, for example, asking for hypehantion dictionaries for all languages, so why should this be different?
15:41:25 <aphillip> addison: hard to change once in document, then you have disparate references in different places... :-(
15:41:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:41:57 <aphillip> richard: ask for evidence that browser developers want a list (in preference to using a list in CLDR)
15:43:15 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: request evidence that browser developers want a list of styles in preference to a normative reference to CLDR for <q> tag implementation
15:43:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Request evidence that browser developers want a list of styles in preference to a normative reference to CLDR for <q> tag implementation [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-10-12].
15:43:56 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:44:33 <aphillip> richard: 2nd edition of JLReq soon to be published for review
15:45:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:45:34 <David> bye all
15:45:35 <Zakim> -Gwyneth
15:45:38 <Zakim> -kojiishi
15:45:39 <Zakim> -matial
15:45:44 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:45:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:45:46 <Zakim> -David
15:45:51 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:45:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, Addison_Phillips
15:45:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see kojiishi, Gwyneth, matial, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
16:02:36 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
16:15:44 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
16:20:44 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Richard, in I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
16:20:46 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
16:20:51 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, Addison_Phillips, matial, +44.141.888.aaaa, David, Gwyneth, kojiishi
16:29:12 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:29:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html r12a
16:29:22 <r12a> rrsagent, make log public
16:34:27 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:34:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:34:31 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:34:31 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:34:34 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:34:34 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:34:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David: poll WG for post-DST/Summer change time for call [1]
16:34:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-irc#T15-15-45
16:34:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: prep charmod-norm for publication and coordinate with richard [2]
16:34:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-irc#T15-29-05
16:34:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: escalate HTML5 bug 10830 to tracker [3]
16:34:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-irc#T15-38-59
16:34:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: request evidence that browser developers want a list of styles in preference to a normative reference to CLDR for <q> tag implementation [4]
16:34:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-i18n-irc#T15-43-15