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15:58:36 <Ashok> zakim, this will be RDB2RDF
15:58:36 <Zakim> ok, Ashok; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:43 <Ashok> Chair:  Ashok
15:58:59 <Ashok> meeting:  RDB2RDF
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15:59:53 <juansequeda> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:59:53 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it
15:59:56 <Zakim> +boris
16:00:03 <Zakim> + +1.314.394.aabb
16:00:04 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
16:00:35 <Ashok> regrets:  Michael, Ivan, Percy, Marcelo
16:00:45 <Ashok> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see juansequeda, boris, +1.314.394.aabb, Ashok_Malhotra
16:01:18 <boris> also regrets from richard?
16:01:20 <Ashok> present:  David, Juan, Boris, Ashok
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16:01:45 <Ashok> regrets+:  Richard
16:01:51 <Ashok> present+:  Seema
16:02:25 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
16:02:40 <Ashok> zakim, pick a victim
16:02:40 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose juansequeda
16:03:13 <Seema> Zakim, aacc is me
16:03:13 <Zakim> +Seema; got it
16:03:20 <Ashok> scribenick: juansequeda
16:03:26 <Ashok> scribe:  Juan
16:03:29 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
16:03:54 <Ashok> present+:  Souri
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16:04:16 <Ashok> Topic:   PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html 
16:04:30 <juansequeda> +1
16:04:35 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
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16:04:56 <Ashok> present+:  Nono
16:05:12 <juansequeda> RESOLUTION: minutes of the last meeting are accepted
16:05:19 <nunolopes> Zakim, who is here
16:05:19 <Zakim> nunolopes, you need to end that query with '?'
16:05:23 <Ashok> s/Nono/Nuno/
16:05:30 <nunolopes> Zakim, who is here?
16:05:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see juansequeda, boris, +1.314.394.aabb, Ashok_Malhotra, Seema, +1.603.897.aadd, mhausenblas
16:05:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see nunolopes, Souri, Seema, juansequeda, dmcneil, cygri, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ashok, boris, LeeF, MacTed, iv_an_ru, betehess, trackbot, ericP
16:05:47 <nunolopes> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
16:05:47 <Zakim> +nunolopes; got it
16:05:50 <juansequeda> TOPIC: Open Actions
16:05:54 <juansequeda> ACTION-159?
16:05:54 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
16:06:11 <juansequeda> boris: ACTION-159 is still open
16:06:42 <juansequeda> ... I'm planning to work this week on this
16:07:04 <juansequeda> TOPIC: Last Call
16:07:15 <juansequeda> ashok: we have received several comments
16:07:29 <juansequeda> ... we have to acknowledge all of the comments
16:07:38 <juansequeda> ... think about them and resolve 
16:07:54 <juansequeda> ... afterwards, we need to ask if whatever we end up doing is acceptable
16:08:22 <juansequeda> ... first thing to do is to acknowledge the comments
16:08:47 <juansequeda> Can Souri, Seema and Juan reply with an acknowledgement
16:09:16 <juansequeda> Souri: yes we can, but some emails present several comments together
16:09:31 <juansequeda> ashok: we need to create separate issues 
16:10:12 <juansequeda> ... souri, you update the editors draft?
16:10:22 <Zakim> +EricP
16:10:27 <juansequeda> souri: the editors draft content is the same as the last call
16:10:52 <Ashok> present+:  Eric
16:10:55 <Souri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/
16:11:59 <juansequeda> ashok: I haven't seen any comment that is fundamental. Just typos and minor comments
16:12:13 <juansequeda> ... we can start talking about them next week
16:12:30 <juansequeda> ... who is going to be a tpac?
16:12:51 <ericP> q+ to ask if non WG-ers can attend?
16:13:50 <Souri> It is unlikely that I'll be able to go to TPAC
16:13:53 <juansequeda> juansequeda: still not sure
16:13:59 <juansequeda> ericP: I won't be going
16:14:33 <juansequeda> ... Can non-WG members show up to the meeting?
16:14:54 <juansequeda> ashok: I personally have no difficulty on that, but what usually happens?
16:15:52 <ericP> PROPOSED: that the F2F at TPAC be open to the public given space and notification
16:16:04 <juansequeda> ericP: if there is a member-only list, then it's usually closed because people say things in a small room that they wouldn't say to the whole worlds. Otherwise, it's usually open
16:16:05 <ericP> APPROVED
16:16:12 <ericP> (tacitly)
16:16:28 <Seema> I won't be able to make it to TPAC
16:17:23 <juansequeda> If no editors can attend, can we dial in?
16:17:33 <Souri> who else is certain and certainly-not?
16:17:52 <Ashok> Yes, I will get us a Zakim confrence
16:17:57 <juansequeda> ashok: I will get a zakim conference
16:18:03 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
16:18:10 <Souri> s/confrence/conference/
16:18:12 <juansequeda> ... so people can dialin
16:18:17 <ericP> i am likely to be able to dial in
16:18:20 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:18:20 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:18:26 <Ashok> present+:  Ted
16:18:59 <juansequeda> MacTed: I don't think anybody from Openlink will be able to attend f2f
16:19:06 <juansequeda> TOPIC: Test cases
16:19:11 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/
16:19:29 <juansequeda> boris: we have 15 database cases
16:19:46 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:19:46 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:19:49 <juansequeda> ... 15 direct mapping cases and 21 r2rml cases
16:19:58 <boris> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdb2rdf-tests
16:20:04 <juansequeda> ... currently all the test cases are in the repository
16:20:31 <juansequeda> ... I'm going to check the test cases that we have with the current version of r2rml and direct mapping
16:20:41 <juansequeda> ... and I'm going to include new testcases
16:20:54 <juansequeda> ... so I'll ask everybody to take a look at this next week
16:21:06 <juansequeda> ... new testcases for next telcon
16:21:53 <juansequeda> ashok: this is going to be a critical thing when we want to get the standard approved. 
16:22:16 <juansequeda> ... question: how do I tell if the test cases cover all the functionalities? 
16:22:25 <Souri> coverage completeness
16:22:34 <juansequeda> boris: for every part of the spec, we have to create a test?
16:22:41 <ericP> q+ to talk about the crazy scheme i used for coverage of SPARQL query
16:22:49 <juansequeda> ashok: more than that. we also need to demonstrate that
16:23:27 <juansequeda> boris: I'll think about it
16:24:07 <juansequeda> ashok: and we only need to cover our functionalities. We dont' need to test for example jdbc connection, etc
16:24:49 <juansequeda> ... another question to think about: if you have an implementation that pass all the test cases, how do we keep a record of that?
16:25:22 <juansequeda> boris: we started to discuss this a while ago. some ideas are on the wiki
16:25:28 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/TestHarness
16:25:37 <juansequeda> ericP: I can talk about testing in sparql
16:26:00 <juansequeda> ... we had a bunch of tests that we used in our discussion. 
16:26:26 <juansequeda> ... and we organized the test cases 
16:26:40 <juansequeda> ... anybody would have to consume the rdf, consume the test 
16:26:55 <juansequeda> ... and return the results in a specific testing language
16:28:10 <juansequeda> (ericP explaining how they did testing in SPARQL WG)
16:32:09 <juansequeda> boris: I will propose new feature and send it to the mailing list
16:33:17 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
16:33:31 <Ashok> Topic:  Implementations
16:33:47 <Ashok> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
16:35:43 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:35:43 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
16:36:06 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:36:06 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:38:04 <juansequeda> ericP is implementing direct mapping (materialized and unmaterialized)
16:38:16 <juansequeda> Morph, from UPM is implementing R2RML
16:38:33 <juansequeda> OpenLink Virtuoso will be releasing R2RML implementation any time soon
16:39:00 <juansequeda> Revelytix already has an implementation of R2RML and will be revamping with the latest changes this month
16:39:13 <juansequeda> Ultrawrap has implemented Direct Mapping and R2RML and will be releasing soon
16:39:29 <juansequeda> XSPARQL has implemented Direct Mapping and R2RML
16:39:46 <juansequeda> Oracle is working on it but can't say much at the moment
16:40:31 <juansequeda> ashok: anything else?
16:41:35 <juansequeda> ericP: yes: datatype mappings
16:43:34 <juansequeda> (ericP talking about how he dealt with datatypes in Direct Mapping, which was a bit different from R2RML spec)
16:46:13 <juansequeda> ericP: advice on how to deal with datatype mappings?
16:46:17 <juansequeda> ashok: I can look at that
16:49:12 <Souri> When we map from SQL, I thought the (virtually) generated data will all be in canonical form.
16:51:40 <Zakim> - +1.314.394.aabb
16:52:51 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aadd
16:52:52 <Zakim> -nunolopes
16:52:53 <Zakim> -Seema
16:52:54 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:52:54 <ericP> Ashok, Eric Prud'hommeaux32-G628
16:52:54 <Zakim> -boris
16:52:55 <Zakim> -MacTed
16:53:01 <Zakim> -juansequeda
16:53:05 <juansequeda> Ashok
16:53:08 <juansequeda> or somebody
16:53:13 <juansequeda> can you generate the minutes?
16:53:15 <ericP> Ashok, Eric Prud'hommeaux/32-G628/32 Vassar St./Cambridge, MA 02140
16:53:23 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
16:53:24 <ericP> RRSAgent, please generate log
16:53:24 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please generate log', ericP.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:53:28 <ericP> RRSAgent, please generate minutes
16:53:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/27-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
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16:53:35 <Ashok> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:53:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/27-RDB2RDF-minutes.html Ashok
16:53:36 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-visible
16:53:45 <Zakim> -EricP
16:53:46 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
16:53:48 <Zakim> Attendees were +575737aaaa, juansequeda, boris, +1.314.394.aabb, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.603.897.aacc, Seema, +1.603.897.aadd, nunolopes, EricP, MacTed